Guest pelmetman Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-09 3:38 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 11:28 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 8:36 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-08 6:57 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-08 3:44 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-08 2:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-08 1:58 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-08 12:56 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-08 9:24 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-08 8:39 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-07 7:06 PM You mean that PPE that the NHS say's "is" fit for purpose? ;-) ........ https://www.obantimes.co.uk/2020/05/26/lochaber-ppe-expert-says-standard-issue-nhs-mask-not-fit-for-purpose/ I don't think you read/understood what is being said in that article, Dave. The Oban Times article (which was "updated" on 26 May, so is now well out of date), states that standard IIR surgical masks are not suitable for use against the coronavirus in all circumstances. This was in response to a warning (from an unstated source) that IIR masks do not provide adequate protection against the virus in in areas of high virus concentration, where FFP3 masks are required. The (unstated) implication is that some health workers may have been wearing the wrong kinds of masks for the areas in which they were working. The two "experts" cited in the article apparently compared IIR masks with reusable FFP3 masks designed for continuous use for up to 8 hours. The NHS recommended FFP3 mask for use in areas of high coronavirus concentration is of disposable type (to be treated as biohazard waste after use, and disposed of as such), and is only to be used continuously for one hour. IIR masks remain perfectly fit for purpose, if worn only in appropriate areas. But all the above has nothing to do with bulk buying inappropriate masks, and so wasting money through incompetence, which is what this string is about. So where is the evidence that they cant be worn in apprppriate areas? ;-) .............. Frankly I view the assertions of the Good Liar Project and their experts as sh*t stirring by the usual suspects *-) ........ So dont you think you should wait for the outcome of the legal proceedings?....... before you launch your latest Boris Bashing Bandwagon *-) ........ "So where is the evidence that they cant be worn in apprppriate areas?" What/who do you mean by "they"? I haven't said above that anything can't be worn in any area. The post isn't about masks in general, only about which mask should be worn under which conditions. You still haven't fully read that Oban Times article, have you? :-D We all know your tendency to dismiss anything that conflicts with your misunderstandings as unreliable. Your above post merely illustrates how this happens! I was referring to the new masks ;-) ............ Where is the evidence that they cant be worn in appropriate areas? :-| ......... As all I've seen from the Good Liar Project is that “will not be used in the NHS” because “there was concern as to whether the[y]… provided an adequate fixing.”...........So no evidence just opinion *-) .......... Because all that holds them in place are elastic ear loops which, because they are elastic, stretch to allow the mask to move and break it's seal with the wearer's face. Unless the mask reliably seals to the wearer's face, it does not provide the protection that is required. Maintaining that seal requites ties around the back of the head, which, if you watch the news you will frequently see hospital staff donning and wearing. That was realised when the masks were tested before being distributed. So no, it isn't just a matter of opinion, it is the result of testing the masks before use. Best let Ol Fishface know then ;-) .......... What is a Type II Face Mask? Type II face masks (EN14683) are medical face masks made up of a protective 3 ply construction that prevents large particles from reaching the patient or working surfaces, however they are not effective when blood or bodily fluids are present. Characteristics of Type II face masks include: Pleat style with ***ear loops*** or ties Protective three-layer construction Available in a variety of colours and styles. https://nhsprocurement.org.uk/covid-19-a-guide-to-face-masks/ Just sayin :D ............. It's just a shame that you weren't just readin', before you began just sayin'! First, the masks you're citing are Type II, but the correct surgical mask is type IIR: 4 ply instead of 3 ply for higher filtration. Second, the Type II and type IIR masks are totally unsuitable for areas with high coronavirus load because neither provides adequate protection for the wearer. The ones that are suitable in those areas are the FFP3 masks that need head tapes to keep them in place. FFP 3 masks are what was supposedly ordered (in a highly questionable way) from a clearly incompetent (because they were buying in goods of which they had no experience or knowledge) supplier. So what were delivered were FFP3 type masks with Type IIR elastic ear loops, which would be dangerous to use in areas of high coronavirus load because they do not reliably seal to the wearer's face, as I explained above. To meet the FFP3 spec, the masks must have head tapes. It's all there, if you'd only read it! 1 So the court case will decide whether the government ordered the wrong masks.......Or the supplier supplied the wrong masks ;-) ....... 2 Dontcha think you should wait until the verdict? *-) ........... 3 After all a £150 million is peanuts compared to what we are still giving the EU to Spaff Spaff Spaff away every week >:-) ......... 4 But that doesn't bother you Remoner HYPOCRITES does it? (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... 1 Yes. It is a breach of contract case. 2 Who has pre-judged the verdict? 3 It is additional money, not alternative spending. The question, that you still seem not to have grasped, is over the way this contract (and others) was awarded, which involved friends of friends and personal contacts of those in office, who were employed to provide goods of which they had little to no knowledge, and eventually delivered un-checked, non-compliant, product, for which they accepted payment and then waited for the buyer to do the quality control. That case, which is not a breach of contract case, has yet to be brought. 4 Yes. Anyone with an ounce of savvy should be concerned at members of the government apparently side-stepping competent suppliers who know what the requirement is, in favour of the process described in 3 above, which looks to anyone with normal eyesight very close to fraudulently diverting public money to "yer mates". Pure "banana republic" behaviour. Were this government not "your precious", you'd see that in a flash. That you aren't even remotely curious speaks volumes. Now that really is hypocrisy. Spot on......and as clearly seen by his response, that's stung! "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-09 3:46 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-09 3:29 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 8:29 AM John52 - 2020-08-09 8:25 AM seems most of the furlough money is being spaffed away to fraudsters too https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/09/two-thirds-of-uks-furloughed-workers-continued-job-in-covid-19-lockdown how many cafes are booking carry outs as eat ins to claim the subsidy there? how can they check? Did anyone think this through? Imagine the Daily Mail and Telegraph if it was Jeremy Corbyn giving £billions of your money away to cronies and fraudsters like BoJo. At least its being Spaffed in the UK B-) ............ That never bothered you when you were sitting on a car park in Spain six months every year. Unlike the hundreds of milllions we give to the EU EVERY WEEK until 31/12/2020 *-) ........... It's costing us far more to become a third country banana state than had we remained a member. https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?r=US&IR=T I reckon your ranting Remoaner will need to redo his sums ;-) .......... The world is in a very different place to where it was in February >:-) .......... Yes......we're even worse off. https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-09 1:36 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 11:28 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 8:36 AM 1 So the court case will decide whether the government ordered the wrong masks.......Or the supplier supplied the wrong masks ;-) ....... 2 Dontcha think you should wait until the verdict? *-) ........... 3 After all a £150 million is peanuts compared to what we are still giving the EU to Spaff Spaff Spaff away every week >:-) ......... 4 But that doesn't bother you Remoner HYPOCRITES does it? (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... 1 Yes. It is a breach of contract case. 2 Who has pre-judged the verdict? 3 It is additional money, not alternative spending. The question, that you still seem not to have grasped, is over the way this contract (and others) was awarded, which involved friends of friends and personal contacts of those in office, who were employed to provide goods of which they had little to no knowledge, and eventually delivered un-checked, non-compliant, product, for which they accepted payment and then waited for the buyer to do the quality control. That case, which is not a breach of contract case, has yet to be brought. 4 Yes. Anyone with an ounce of savvy should be concerned at members of the government apparently side-stepping competent suppliers who know what the requirement is, in favour of the process described in 3 above, which looks to anyone with normal eyesight very close to fraudulently diverting public money to "yer mates". Pure "banana republic" behaviour. Were this government not "your precious", you'd see that in a flash. That you aren't even remotely curious speaks volumes. Now that really is hypocrisy. 1.........Correct...... 2.........Obviously Numbnuts Barry for a start... by starting this thread, then the usual LLLLB hate squad jumped on his bandwagon.....You included....... 3........So the Liberals or Labour would never do anything like that? (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... The only hypocrisy I see is from you anti democratic Losers! *-) ......... 2 No, because Barry was highlighting the way the contract was let, not primarily what it has apparently failed to deliver. But I didn't contribute until two days later, when you started getting it all round your neck - which it seems you still have. Bit slow to be called "jumping in" - that's more of a slow, deliberate, saunter, IMO. Almost glacial, in fact! What I've tried to do, admittedly without success (but there are limits to human endeavour :-)), is to try to explain why all masks are not the same, and why a failure to deliver what was supposed to have been ordered (over which the government says it is taking legal action), is not the same issue as the highly unusual and casual manner in which the contract seems to have been awarded. 3 Possibly, but not to my knowledge - though I'm sure you'll be able to can provide instances? However, judge each case on its merits. But even if other people, in other parties, at other times, acted in a similar fashion, it doesn't in any way alter what this government seems to have been doing, does it? Or do you just want us to become a banana republic? Don't understand where democracy comes in. One case is under contract law, the other, potentially, under criminal law. Are you expecting to get a vote in each case? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-09 8:29 AM At least its being Spaffed in the UK B-) ............ Its extra money being given to benefit fraudsters AKA employers some of whom are extremely wealthy - how do you know where they are spaffing this extra money *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Remarkable that BoJo has abandoned Tory Free Enterprise Caitalism to become the most Looney Left this country has ever seen. After spending the last 10 years attacking benefit claimants - to the point of finding them 'fit for work' after they had died from their illness, BoJo's Tory party has facilitated the biggest benefit fraud ever - dishing out unemployment benefit for millions of people who are still working on the side. 8-) Imagine the Daily Mail if it was Jeremy Corbyn doing what BoJo is doing now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-09 5:15 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 3:46 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-09 3:29 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 8:29 AM John52 - 2020-08-09 8:25 AM seems most of the furlough money is being spaffed away to fraudsters too https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/09/two-thirds-of-uks-furloughed-workers-continued-job-in-covid-19-lockdown how many cafes are booking carry outs as eat ins to claim the subsidy there? how can they check? Did anyone think this through? Imagine the Daily Mail and Telegraph if it was Jeremy Corbyn giving £billions of your money away to cronies and fraudsters like BoJo. At least its being Spaffed in the UK B-) ............ That never bothered you when you were sitting on a car park in Spain six months every year. Unlike the hundreds of milllions we give to the EU EVERY WEEK until 31/12/2020 *-) ........... It's costing us far more to become a third country banana state than had we remained a member. https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?r=US&IR=T I reckon your ranting Remoaner will need to redo his sums ;-) .......... The world is in a very different place to where it was in February >:-) .......... Yes......we're even worse off. https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/ So nothing to do with Chinky Flu? *-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-10 8:53 AM So nothing to do with Chinky Flu? *-) ............ Is the fact we have the highest rate of excess deaths in the EU! and the greatest hit to the economy of all the G7! In fact the worst country on BOTH counts! nothing to do with BoJo *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 John52 - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 8:53 AM So nothing to do with Chinky Flu? *-) ............ Is the fact we have the highest rate of excess deaths in the EU! and the greatest hit to the economy of all the G7! In fact the worst country on BOTH counts! nothing to do with BoJo *-) So further proof we cant afford to be members of the expensive EU club >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:40 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... You no speaka da Hinglish, yes? What we've been trying to explain to you - but your own partisan bias won't let through to your brain - is that the way the FFP3 mask contract was let by the UK government is unacceptable. We've now left the EU, so what it does is of no relevance to the UK, is it? Nor is what Von der Leyen's political opponents, or those of any other minister of any other EU state, are trying to prove she/they does/did. You'll be telling us next that there are some dodgy politicians in Lebanon, so that makes what the UK government did OK. Can't. you see where your silly line of argument leads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 11:26 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:40 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... You no speaka da Hinglish, yes? What we've been trying to explain to you - but your own partisan bias won't let through to your brain - is that the way the FFP3 mask contract was let by the UK government is unacceptable. We've now left the EU, so what it does is of no relevance to the UK, is it? Nor is what Von der Leyen's political opponents, or those of any other minister of any other EU state, are trying to prove she/they does/did. You'll be telling us next that there are some dodgy politicians in Lebanon, so that makes what the UK government did OK. Can't. you see where your silly line of argument leads? Pelmet veers wildly from one topic to another in sheer desperation, constantly moving goalposts, knowing he's been defeated on every count but unable to concede with grace, so continues making more idiotic posts. He really is his own worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Well as Brian has pointed out its irrelevant, but since you have slighted Germany I'll try and get you to read and digest what you have quoted *-) If only the English Government had some of that German efficiency. Despite starting off in the strongest position surrounded by water - the highest death ratio in the EU 8-) - AND the biggest economic hit in the G7 8-) All we have is a BoJo promise *-) Of a so-called 'inquiry' *-) At some unspecified future time *-) >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 11:26 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:40 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... You no speaka da Hinglish, yes? What we've been trying to explain to you - but your own partisan bias won't let through to your brain - is that the way the FFP3 mask contract was let by the UK government is unacceptable. We've now left the EU, so what it does is of no relevance to the UK, is it? Nor is what Von der Leyen's political opponents, or those of any other minister of any other EU state, are trying to prove she/they does/did. You'll be telling us next that there are some dodgy politicians in Lebanon, so that makes what the UK government did OK. Can't. you see where your silly line of argument leads? So it appears EU bent Banana's are acceptable........But UK bent Banana's are not 8-) ......... How very EU sycophant (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Only 141 days of spaffing on bent EU Banana's to go >:-) ........ http://daystobrexit.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 11:26 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:40 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... You no speaka da Hinglish, yes? What we've been trying to explain to you - but your own partisan bias won't let through to your brain - is that the way the FFP3 mask contract was let by the UK government is unacceptable. We've now left the EU, so what it does is of no relevance to the UK, is it? Nor is what Von der Leyen's political opponents, or those of any other minister of any other EU state, are trying to prove she/they does/did. You'll be telling us next that there are some dodgy politicians in Lebanon, so that makes what the UK government did OK. Can't. you see where your silly line of argument leads? So it appears EU bent Banana's are acceptable........But UK bent Banana's are not 8-) ......... How very EU sycophant (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Only 141 days of spaffing on bent EU Banana's to go >:-) ........ http://daystobrexit.co.uk/ Is it any use asking you what you on about *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-08-12 9:58 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 11:26 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:40 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... You no speaka da Hinglish, yes? What we've been trying to explain to you - but your own partisan bias won't let through to your brain - is that the way the FFP3 mask contract was let by the UK government is unacceptable. We've now left the EU, so what it does is of no relevance to the UK, is it? Nor is what Von der Leyen's political opponents, or those of any other minister of any other EU state, are trying to prove she/they does/did. You'll be telling us next that there are some dodgy politicians in Lebanon, so that makes what the UK government did OK. Can't. you see where your silly line of argument leads? So it appears EU bent Banana's are acceptable........But UK bent Banana's are not 8-) ......... How very EU sycophant (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Only 141 days of spaffing on bent EU Banana's to go >:-) ........ http://daystobrexit.co.uk/ Is it any use asking you what you on about *-) We never get much sense from him when he's sober. He's drunk again as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 2:09 PM John52 - 2020-08-12 9:58 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 11:26 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:40 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-08-10 9:02 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 6:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-09 4:21 PM...………………………. "Mr Blair himself, in 1995, accused Mr Major of bowing to the "squalid monetary interests of the Conservative Party" and insisted that once in office Labour would be "purer than pure". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3179722/The-Ecclestone-Affair-Labours-first-funding-scandal.html (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Quite. But party funding issues, although bad enough, are not in quite the same league as diverting public money to your mates, are they? I mean, look at Jenrick's dodgy "you scratch my back" deal with Desmond at a party fundraiser, plus his lockdown busting trip to visit his parents. Some just can't resist. Both lawyers as well, so both should have known better. Folie de grandeur? :-D If one wants consistently high standards, anyone who fails to meet them should face the consequences, without fear or favour. If that is what you want, trying to justify sins committed by one side by parading similar sins committed by the other is hardly going to work, is it? That way, banana land awaits! :-D High standards eh? ;-) .......... BERLIN — Ursula von der Leyen is planning a new career as European Commission chief in Brussels, but the German defense minister still has questions to answer back home. An investigative committee of the German parliament — the toughest instrument that lawmakers can use to probe government misdeeds — is digging into how lucrative contracts from her ministry were awarded to outside consultants without proper oversight, and whether a network of informal personal connections facilitated those deals. Its just as well we have left the EU banana land then >:-) ........... ……………………... Since when was Germany part of the UK, or Blair the Chancellor of Germany? Your head is a victim of fly tipping! Oh ......So its "OK" for the EU to be run like a Banana republic? >:-) ........... Your partisan bias is really quite hilarious (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... You no speaka da Hinglish, yes? What we've been trying to explain to you - but your own partisan bias won't let through to your brain - is that the way the FFP3 mask contract was let by the UK government is unacceptable. We've now left the EU, so what it does is of no relevance to the UK, is it? Nor is what Von der Leyen's political opponents, or those of any other minister of any other EU state, are trying to prove she/they does/did. You'll be telling us next that there are some dodgy politicians in Lebanon, so that makes what the UK government did OK. Can't. you see where your silly line of argument leads? So it appears EU bent Banana's are acceptable........But UK bent Banana's are not 8-) ......... How very EU sycophant (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Only 141 days of spaffing on bent EU Banana's to go >:-) ........ http://daystobrexit.co.uk/ Is it any use asking you what you on about *-) We never get much sense from him when he's sober. He's drunk again as usual. Snigger >:-) ....... You Losers dont like your EU idols being tarred with the same cronyisim brush do you???? >:-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:35 PM...…………….. Snigger >:-) ....... You Losers dont like your EU idols being tarred with the same cronyisim brush do you???? >:-) ...… What I don't understand is why, faced with behaviour by the UK government that is beginning to look borderline corrupt, you think finding someone else, somewhere else, with an apparently similar problem to answer for, makes the UK government's problem go away. It's as though you think a murderer should be let off prosecution because someone else murdered someone else a couple of streets away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-08-12 6:57 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:35 PM...…………….. Snigger >:-) ....... You Losers dont like your EU idols being tarred with the same cronyisim brush do you???? >:-) ...… What I don't understand is why, faced with behaviour by the UK government that is beginning to look borderline corrupt, you think finding someone else, somewhere else, with an apparently similar problem to answer for, makes the UK government's problem go away. It's as though you think a murderer should be let off prosecution because someone else murdered someone else a couple of streets away! What I don't understand is why you are pretending to be so naive? 8-) ....... I lied ;-) ...... I know exactly why *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 7:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-12 6:57 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:35 PM...…………….. Snigger >:-) ....... You Losers dont like your EU idols being tarred with the same cronyisim brush do you???? >:-) ...… What I don't understand is why, faced with behaviour by the UK government that is beginning to look borderline corrupt, you think finding someone else, somewhere else, with an apparently similar problem to answer for, makes the UK government's problem go away. It's as though you think a murderer should be let off prosecution because someone else murdered someone else a couple of streets away! What I don't understand is why you are pretending to be so naive? 8-) ....... I lied ;-) ...... I know exactly why *-) ....... Quelle surprise.......so why do you lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:57 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 7:19 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-12 6:57 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:35 PM...…………….. Snigger >:-) ....... You Losers dont like your EU idols being tarred with the same cronyisim brush do you???? >:-) ...… What I don't understand is why, faced with behaviour by the UK government that is beginning to look borderline corrupt, you think finding someone else, somewhere else, with an apparently similar problem to answer for, makes the UK government's problem go away. It's as though you think a murderer should be let off prosecution because someone else murdered someone else a couple of streets away! What I don't understand is why you are pretending to be so naive? 8-) ....... I lied ;-) ...... I know exactly why *-) ....... Quelle surprise.......so why do you lie? You surprise me Bullet ;-) ........ I'd had thought you would have cut and pasted that remark :D ........ Or at least taken it out of context :-> ........ Which is what you were prolly trying to do (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 10:02 PM You surprise me Bullet ;-) ........ I'd had thought you would have cut and pasted that remark :D ........ Or at least taken it out of context :-> ........ Which is what you were prolly trying to do (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Sort yourself out.....you're posting utter drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 10:06 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 10:02 PM You surprise me Bullet ;-) ........ I'd had thought you would have cut and pasted that remark :D ........ Or at least taken it out of context :-> ........ Which is what you were prolly trying to do (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Sort yourself out.....you're posting utter drivel. Come on Bullet :D ........ Surely you can manage a better come back than that? (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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