Bulletguy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 It's all over now anyway. President Biden just been announced after Pennsylvania puts him over 270 electoral votes. Cry baby Tango has gone off to sulk on the golf course. :D https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-joe-biden-wins-election-22964501#source=push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-07 4:52 PM pelmetman - 2020-11-07 4:46 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-07 4:41 PM StuartO - 2020-11-07 10:11 AM The demographics of voters in the US are showing that areas which have more college graduates tend to vote Democrat and areas which are more rural with less well educated people have supported Trump. This might also explain why Trump supporters include more gun-toting, potentially beligerent types. Thankfully there do seem to be some sensible people at a senior level in the Republican Party who are stepping back from supporting Trump's challenge to the US Electoral System. It might so slow and cumbersome but there is no reason to regard it as unsafe. Hopefully Trump will have time to reflect over this weekend and give in with something aproaching a civilised acceptance of defeat. Careful Stuart. People might think you are insinuating that Trump voters are thick. We were accused of saying that Brexit voters were thick once when it was proved here that most of them were less educated, poorer and a bit racist. (lol) Actually I think the evidence shows that its the Biden voters who are brainwashed ;-) ........... As they're the ones who went to Loony Lefty Liberal school.......aka University >:-) ......... Thank god for that then. Yep........where would the universities be without dumb folk queing up to be brainwashed at 50k a time, to earn less than a plumber 8-) ......... (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-11-07 4:57 PM jumpstart - 2020-11-07 4:52 PM pelmetman - 2020-11-07 4:46 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-07 4:41 PM StuartO - 2020-11-07 10:11 AM The demographics of voters in the US are showing that areas which have more college graduates tend to vote Democrat and areas which are more rural with less well educated people have supported Trump. This might also explain why Trump supporters include more gun-toting, potentially beligerent types. Thankfully there do seem to be some sensible people at a senior level in the Republican Party who are stepping back from supporting Trump's challenge to the US Electoral System. It might so slow and cumbersome but there is no reason to regard it as unsafe. Hopefully Trump will have time to reflect over this weekend and give in with something aproaching a civilised acceptance of defeat. Careful Stuart. People might think you are insinuating that Trump voters are thick. We were accused of saying that Brexit voters were thick once when it was proved here that most of them were less educated, poorer and a bit racist. (lol) Actually I think the evidence shows that its the Biden voters who are brainwashed ;-) ........... As they're the ones who went to Loony Lefty Liberal school.......aka University >:-) ......... Thank god for that then. Yep........where would the universities be without dumb folk queing up to be brainwashed at 50k a time, to earn less than a plumber 8-) ......... (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ You seem to know a lot about Plumbers. Mine charges forty quid an hour which I consider pretty cheap. Do they earn footballer money in the south or summat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 But Trump has not survived - at least not as President of the USA. All that pointless transatlantic fawning by so few on here is now shown for what it was. The worship of a false God. Well, who'd have believed it. :-D The Americans - at least, a sufficiently astute majority of them, have sussed him - and he's gone. Pennsylvania voted Biden, and he now has his 270 electoral college votes and is President Elect. Sanity rules - at last! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-11-07 7:27 PM But Trump has not survived - at least not as President of the USA. All that pointless transatlantic fawning by so few on here is now shown for what it was. The worship of a false God. Well, who'd have believed it. :-D The Americans - at least, a sufficiently astute majority of them, have sussed him - and he's gone. Pennsylvania voted Biden, and he now has his 270 electoral college votes and is President Elect. Sanity rules - at last! :-D The twins went off for a sulk and Antonys inflatable Trump doll deflated. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-11-07 7:27 PM But Trump has not survived - at least not as President of the USA. All that pointless transatlantic fawning by so few on here is now shown for what it was. The worship of a false God. Well, who'd have believed it. :-D The Americans - at least, a sufficiently astute majority of them, have sussed him - and he's gone. Pennsylvania voted Biden, and he now has his 270 electoral college votes and is President Elect. Sanity rules - at last! :-D Strange how you accept "Sanity" within hours of the election result in the US yet seem to struggle with a referendum from years ago where a "majority of them", Brexit voters won ... Chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Boris Johnson! Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage! Your boy took a hell of a beating! A hell of a beating!!! Snigger, Guffaw, Chuckle. :D Anyone else having a Rock n Roll, drunken victory night party? Johnsons going next! Johnsons going next, oh Johnsons going next!!! Sing after me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-07 7:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-11-07 7:27 PM But Trump has not survived - at least not as President of the USA. All that pointless transatlantic fawning by so few on here is now shown for what it was. The worship of a false God. Well, who'd have believed it. :-D The Americans - at least, a sufficiently astute majority of them, have sussed him - and he's gone. Pennsylvania voted Biden, and he now has his 270 electoral college votes and is President Elect. Sanity rules - at last! :-D The twins went off for a sulk and Antonys inflatable Trump doll deflated. (lol) Haha very droll....all it takes is just a little prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 A Trumpette whining on Twitter her Christmas has been ruined because of the Trump haters, she wont be able to go away. *-) Amazing how seriously thick they are. It took someone with a brain to point something out to the thick dimbo. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 A YouGov poll showing Brit opinion/attitude across the range of who they wanted to win the US election. Tango mans ratings have plummeted. 8-) Needless to say he's not popular in Europe either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-07 8:48 PM Boris Johnson! Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage! Your boy took a hell of a beating! A hell of a beating!!! Snigger, Guffaw, Chuckle. :D Anyone else having a Rock n Roll, drunken victory night party? Johnsons going next! Johnsons going next, oh Johnsons going next!!! Sing after me! Barry trying to convince Barry he's having a great time ... Another night, another drunken party on his own ... Just like the day before, the week before, the month before, the year before ... Have a nice night Princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-08 6:40 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-07 8:48 PM Boris Johnson! Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage! Your boy took a hell of a beating! A hell of a beating!!! Snigger, Guffaw, Chuckle. :D Anyone else having a Rock n Roll, drunken victory night party? Johnsons going next! Johnsons going next, oh Johnsons going next!!! Sing after me! Barry trying to convince Barry he's having a great time ... Another night, another drunken party on his own ... Just like the day before, the week before, the month before, the year before ... Have a nice night Princess Nonsense! I did have a great time. Surrounded by all my Rock Chick fans of course, at one point one of them nearly took their Bra Off! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-08 10:01 AM Birdbrain - 2020-11-08 6:40 AM Barryd999 - 2020-11-07 8:48 PM Boris Johnson! Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage! Your boy took a hell of a beating! A hell of a beating!!! Snigger, Guffaw, Chuckle. :D Anyone else having a Rock n Roll, drunken victory night party? Johnsons going next! Johnsons going next, oh Johnsons going next!!! Sing after me! Barry trying to convince Barry he's having a great time ... Another night, another drunken party on his own ... Just like the day before, the week before, the month before, the year before ... Have a nice night Princess Nonsense! I did have a great time. Surrounded by all my Rock Chick fans of course, at one point one of them nearly took my Bra Off! (lol) :D ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 8, 2020 Author Share Posted November 8, 2020 Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign Sectretary, was being interviewed about Donald Trump and said "he's not stupid" but that was among many comments he made which suggested he was, at least, not very wise. He's a bully-boy wheeler-dealer, someone who has learned that never giving in unnecessarily pays dividends and so does being demanding in negotiation, because it's all about winning - or rather never being, or at least being seen by his team and his followers, as the loser. On that basis he seems certain to continue his show of not conceding, objecting to having been cheated and mounting multiple law suits, as a disruptive show of what boils down to vengeful force, looking as he does so for some sort of compromise gain, as the price of disengaging. The duration and perhaps the extent of Trump's willful, vengeful disruption (for he must know that it cannot lead to a change in the Election outcome) will depend on how much (or rather how little) financial support and support from the Republican party he can command. He probably doesn't mind at all how much he winds up his voting (and gun toting) followers and even if he provokes violent episodes because he will regard that as useful pressure on those from whom he expects his compensating payofff. He will also be looking to get himself re-elected in four years time and is therefore think of setting the polarised scene for that campaign, although of course it's possible that the Republican Party has conflicting ideas. But Trump will certainly want to exttact something from this situation of having to accept losing the Presidency, as the price of going more quietly, because he is a really horrible, indeed perhaps an evil man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-08 10:49 AM Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign Sectretary, was being interviewed about Donald Trump and said "he's not stupid" but that was among many comments he made which suggested he was, at least, not very wise. He's a bully-boy wheeler-dealer, someone who has learned that never giving in unnecessarily pays dividends and so does being demanding in negotiation, because it's all about winning - or rather never being, or at least being seen by his team and his followers, as the loser. On that basis he seems certain to continue his show of not conceding, objecting to having been cheated and mounting multiple law suits, as a disruptive show of what boils down to vengeful force, looking as he does so for some sort of compromise gain, as the price of disengaging. The duration and perhaps the extent of Trump's willful, vengeful disruption (for he must know that it cannot lead to a change in the Election outcome) will depend on how much (or rather how little) financial support and support from the Republican party he can command. He probably doesn't mind at all how much he winds up his voting (and gun toting) followers and even if he provokes violent episodes because he will regard that as useful pressure on those from whom he expects his compensating payofff. He will also be looking to get himself re-elected in four years time and is therefore think of setting the polarised scene for that campaign, although of course it's possible that the Republican Party has conflicting ideas. But Trump will certainly want to exttact something from this situation of having to accept losing the Presidency, as the price of going more quietly, because he is a really horrible, indeed perhaps an evil man. I dont think there is any chance of him standing as a Republican again. If the Republican party ever want to get elected again (and that boat might have sailed) they will have to distance themselves from Trump and there are signs of that already happening. Trump is in serious trouble though and that makes him even more dangerous. He owes a huge amount of money, running into Billions and much of it personally guaranteed. Who is going to fund his comeback? He also now very likely will face a raft of criminal charges not least of all tax fraud. He is in effect a flight risk. In some respects it might be best if he just leaves the country but personally, I would like to see him in jail. He wont go though without continuing to stoke up his supporters into believing they were cheated when clearly its not the case but it will be enough for many to cause big problems in America. These next few weeks could be the most dangerous in American history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-08 10:49 AM But Trump will certainly want to exttact something from this situation of having to accept losing the Presidency, as the price of going more quietly, because he is a really horrible, indeed perhaps an evil man. He will want indemnity from prosecution as once his term of office is over he loses executive privilege which has given him protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Wow! https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-trump-faces-lawsuits-and-legal-threats/ So what legal issues might he face come January 2021:- Obstruction of Justice Federal Tax Charges New York State Tax Charges Real-Estate Fraud Emoluments Cases Congressional Tax and Financial Records Cases MLM Fraud Mary Trump's Fraud Lawsuit E. Jean Carroll’s Defamation Suit Summer Zervos’s Defamation Suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-08 11:28 AM StuartO - 2020-11-08 10:49 AM Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign Sectretary, was being interviewed about Donald Trump and said "he's not stupid" but that was among many comments he made which suggested he was, at least, not very wise. He's a bully-boy wheeler-dealer, someone who has learned that never giving in unnecessarily pays dividends and so does being demanding in negotiation, because it's all about winning - or rather never being, or at least being seen by his team and his followers, as the loser. On that basis he seems certain to continue his show of not conceding, objecting to having been cheated and mounting multiple law suits, as a disruptive show of what boils down to vengeful force, looking as he does so for some sort of compromise gain, as the price of disengaging. The duration and perhaps the extent of Trump's willful, vengeful disruption (for he must know that it cannot lead to a change in the Election outcome) will depend on how much (or rather how little) financial support and support from the Republican party he can command. He probably doesn't mind at all how much he winds up his voting (and gun toting) followers and even if he provokes violent episodes because he will regard that as useful pressure on those from whom he expects his compensating payofff. He will also be looking to get himself re-elected in four years time and is therefore think of setting the polarised scene for that campaign, although of course it's possible that the Republican Party has conflicting ideas. But Trump will certainly want to exttact something from this situation of having to accept losing the Presidency, as the price of going more quietly, because he is a really horrible, indeed perhaps an evil man. He is in effect a flight risk. In some respects it might be best if he just leaves the country but personally, I would like to see him in jail. He wont go though without continuing to stoke up his supporters into believing they were cheated when clearly its not the case but it will be enough for many to cause big problems in America. These next few weeks could be the most dangerous in American history. The problem is these wacko fruitloops are his fan base.....folk who like to dress up as 'soldiers', wear bullet proof vests, and strut their stuff with fully auto weapons across their chests. They aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 8, 2020 Author Share Posted November 8, 2020 Not all Trump’s supporters are “fruit loops” of course and he did attract over 70 million votes in the recent Election. It he does seem to have attracted some thuggish-looking fans who are also pretty fanatical and seem to believe anything he says, without question. It doesn’t do to have a simplistic idea of what constitutes intelligence or cleverness; some of his supporters may be at least streetwise and cunning (as indeed Trump himself appears to be) but they may also be blinkered and gullible. Biden faces as uphill struggle getting some of them to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-08 2:11 PM Not all Trump’s supporters are “fruit loops” of course and he did attract over 70 million votes in the recent Election. It he does seem to have attracted some thuggish-looking fans who are also pretty fanatical and seem to believe anything he says, without question. It doesn’t do to have a simplistic idea of what constitutes intelligence or cleverness; some of his supporters may be at least streetwise and cunning (as indeed Trump himself appears to be) but they may also be blinkered and gullible. Biden faces as uphill struggle getting some of them to move on. Very true. Lets not forget, Biden did not win with a landslide. 70 million American voters still believed in Trump. They cant all be thick. For this reason though its exactly why Trump must be investigated and the truth of just how he very much almost turned the US into a fascist dictatorship exposed. This must not be allowed to happen again and if he just walks away it sets a precedent and maybe the next would be fascist dictator they elect might not be as stupid as Trump. This piece is spot on. Dont be fooled by the ZZ Top look, this guy talks a lot of sense, stick with it. https://www.youtube.com/embed/c66IQQrmXeo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-08 11:28 AM StuartO - 2020-11-08 10:49 AM Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign Sectretary, was being interviewed about Donald Trump and said "he's not stupid" but that was among many comments he made which suggested he was, at least, not very wise. He's a bully-boy wheeler-dealer, someone who has learned that never giving in unnecessarily pays dividends and so does being demanding in negotiation, because it's all about winning - or rather never being, or at least being seen by his team and his followers, as the loser. On that basis he seems certain to continue his show of not conceding, objecting to having been cheated and mounting multiple law suits, as a disruptive show of what boils down to vengeful force, looking as he does so for some sort of compromise gain, as the price of disengaging. The duration and perhaps the extent of Trump's willful, vengeful disruption (for he must know that it cannot lead to a change in the Election outcome) will depend on how much (or rather how little) financial support and support from the Republican party he can command. He probably doesn't mind at all how much he winds up his voting (and gun toting) followers and even if he provokes violent episodes because he will regard that as useful pressure on those from whom he expects his compensating payofff. He will also be looking to get himself re-elected in four years time and is therefore think of setting the polarised scene for that campaign, although of course it's possible that the Republican Party has conflicting ideas. But Trump will certainly want to exttact something from this situation of having to accept losing the Presidency, as the price of going more quietly, because he is a really horrible, indeed perhaps an evil man. I dont think there is any chance of him standing as a Republican again. If the Republican party ever want to get elected again (and that boat might have sailed) they will have to distance themselves from Trump and there are signs of that already happening. Trump is in serious trouble though and that makes him even more dangerous. He owes a huge amount of money, running into Billions and much of it personally guaranteed. Who is going to fund his comeback? He also now very likely will face a raft of criminal charges not least of all tax fraud. He is in effect a flight risk. In some respects it might be best if he just leaves the country but personally, I would like to see him in jail. He wont go though without continuing to stoke up his supporters into believing they were cheated when clearly its not the case but it will be enough for many to cause big problems in America. These next few weeks could be the most dangerous in American history. Chuckle ... Barry is now in the space of a week an expert on American politics ... POTUS Trump has just polled the second highest amount for any Presidential hopeful in history and who knows given much of the election process is now in doubt may well have received the most ever and your claiming The Republicans will never be in office again... Chuckle ..."No deal is dead" BFN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-08 2:11 PM Not all Trump’s supporters are “fruit loops” of course and he did attract over 70 million votes in the recent Election. It he does seem to have attracted some thuggish-looking fans who are also pretty fanatical and seem to believe anything he says, without question. It doesn’t do to have a simplistic idea of what constitutes intelligence or cleverness; some of his supporters may be at least streetwise and cunning (as indeed Trump himself appears to be) but they may also be blinkered and gullible. Biden faces as uphill struggle getting some of them to move on. It's his core base. You only have to hear a few of his tweet like "speeches" to see that much. Finds a tag line that gets them going, stick a few meaningless words inbetween, repeat tag line, rinse, wash, repeat and they're like rows of nodding donkeys chanting the mantras. The body language is another.....the swagger, the head cock, lots of hand gesticulations. The bloke is a snake oil salesman who gaslighted the gullible. And at the rate he's going with his insane meltdown on Twitter he'll get his account suspended........sooner the better imo. Twitter have published this on each of his tweets he's making allegations of fraud; https://twitter.com/i/events/1308626736066617344 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-08 2:51 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-08 11:28 AM StuartO - 2020-11-08 10:49 AM Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign Sectretary, was being interviewed about Donald Trump and said "he's not stupid" but that was among many comments he made which suggested he was, at least, not very wise. He's a bully-boy wheeler-dealer, someone who has learned that never giving in unnecessarily pays dividends and so does being demanding in negotiation, because it's all about winning - or rather never being, or at least being seen by his team and his followers, as the loser. On that basis he seems certain to continue his show of not conceding, objecting to having been cheated and mounting multiple law suits, as a disruptive show of what boils down to vengeful force, looking as he does so for some sort of compromise gain, as the price of disengaging. The duration and perhaps the extent of Trump's willful, vengeful disruption (for he must know that it cannot lead to a change in the Election outcome) will depend on how much (or rather how little) financial support and support from the Republican party he can command. He probably doesn't mind at all how much he winds up his voting (and gun toting) followers and even if he provokes violent episodes because he will regard that as useful pressure on those from whom he expects his compensating payofff. He will also be looking to get himself re-elected in four years time and is therefore think of setting the polarised scene for that campaign, although of course it's possible that the Republican Party has conflicting ideas. But Trump will certainly want to exttact something from this situation of having to accept losing the Presidency, as the price of going more quietly, because he is a really horrible, indeed perhaps an evil man. I dont think there is any chance of him standing as a Republican again. If the Republican party ever want to get elected again (and that boat might have sailed) they will have to distance themselves from Trump and there are signs of that already happening. Trump is in serious trouble though and that makes him even more dangerous. He owes a huge amount of money, running into Billions and much of it personally guaranteed. Who is going to fund his comeback? He also now very likely will face a raft of criminal charges not least of all tax fraud. He is in effect a flight risk. In some respects it might be best if he just leaves the country but personally, I would like to see him in jail. He wont go though without continuing to stoke up his supporters into believing they were cheated when clearly its not the case but it will be enough for many to cause big problems in America. These next few weeks could be the most dangerous in American history. Chuckle ... Barry is now in the space of a week an expert on American politics ... POTUS Trump has just polled the second highest amount for any Presidential hopeful in history and who knows given much of the election process is now in doubt may well have received the most ever and your claiming The Republicans will never be in office again... Chuckle ..."No deal is dead" BFN It was actually a republican party senator on the news the other day that said he doubted if the party would ever be in power again now not me. Do you honestly think the party will allow him to run again? If he isnt in jail and is brave enough to stay in the US he could stand as an independent I suppose. That would almost certainly keep the Republicans out of power again. The only reason either of them polled the most votes ever was because its become like here a country bitterly divided by Populism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-07 7:46 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-11-07 7:27 PM But Trump has not survived - at least not as President of the USA. All that pointless transatlantic fawning by so few on here is now shown for what it was. The worship of a false God. Well, who'd have believed it. :-D The Americans - at least, a sufficiently astute majority of them, have sussed him - and he's gone. Pennsylvania voted Biden, and he now has his 270 electoral college votes and is President Elect. Sanity rules - at last! :-D Strange how you accept "Sanity" within hours of the election result in the US yet seem to struggle with a referendum from years ago where a "majority of them", Brexit voters won ... Chuckle That dear Antony is because, being normal, I can discriminate between sanity, and insanity! QED? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-07 9:05 PM A Trumpette whining on Twitter her Christmas has been ruined because of the Trump haters, she wont be able to go away. *-) ........................... :D Do you think Trump was guilty of blowing his own Trumpette? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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