Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Don't they want our fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 You can always vaccinate yourself with cod liver oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? BioNTech, the German company which collaborated with Pfizer to work on the vaccine, was only founded 12 years ago......by two Turkish immigrants. Their company now worth almost £17 billion after it's shares shot up 23.4% on Monday. 8-) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/biontechs-covid-vaccine-a-shot-in-the-arm-for-germanys-turkish-community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 mtravel - 2020-11-10 3:16 PM You can always vaccinate yourself with cod liver oil. Without the "deal" there won't be enough to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? At least it doesn't have to be shipped through the French ports! The tricky bit appears to be maintaining safe temperature control in transit and storage. It has to be kept at minus 70 deg C! The fridges in GP Surgeries for vaccine storage operate at temperature ranges simialr to domestic fridges. Even domestic freezers are only designed for minus 18 deg C. It seesm odd that there is such a tight and low temperature requirement when the active element of the vaccine is said to be a short chunk of RNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-10 3:31 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? At least it doesn't have to be shipped through the French ports! The tricky bit appears to be maintaining safe temperature control in transit and storage. It has to be kept at minus 70 deg C! The fridges in GP Surgeries for vaccine storage operate at temperature ranges simialr to domestic fridges. Even domestic freezers are only designed for minus 18 deg C. It seesm odd that there is such a tight and low temperature requirement when the active element of the vaccine is said to be a short chunk of RNA. Seeing as the lurgy seems to thrive in cold meat factories and the like.......I'm not surprised that it requires low temperatures.........especially as the folk who created it in China used to keep it in the freezer :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 StuartO - 2020-11-10 3:31 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? At least it doesn't have to be shipped through the French ports! The tricky bit appears to be maintaining safe temperature control in transit and storage. It has to be kept at minus 70 deg C! The fridges in GP Surgeries for vaccine storage operate at temperature ranges simialr to domestic fridges. Even domestic freezers are only designed for minus 18 deg C. It seesm odd that there is such a tight and low temperature requirement when the active element of the vaccine is said to be a short chunk of RNA. I cant see it being distributed from GP's surgeries Stuart. The logistics of distribution will probably be more complex than developing the vaccine. I would imagine it is more likely to be distributed in massive sports halls or stadiums with special mobile refrigeration units. Our rural GP still uses a fax machine and can only cope with a handful or two of patients at a time. It could well be because of the volatile nature of this vaccine and that it requires such low temperatures that another one may overtake it in time. This is pure speculation of course. You would know more than most of us as to the most likely way forward I would have thought. As regards shipping it unless it can be maintained at the required temperature I think it has to be administered within 24 hours so if thats the case and its coming from Belgium if it cant come through the French ports we better hope it can come by plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 4:57 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess Barry Limp Dick has clearly never heard of aeroplanes *-) .......... Rumour has it we have loads of them with nuffink to do ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 4:57 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess you reckon the chaos would have been all over then had we left six months or maybe a year earlier? LOL! Chances are we would have probably left right in the middle of the first wave or soon before it. That would have really been helpful I am sure (not). The only reason it was held up was to avoid a crash out Brexit that would have caused the chaos at all our ports not to mention the damage to the economy. Perhaps if they had agreed to a confirmatory referendum years ago then we could have had it done and dusted one way or another much sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I think that they are calling it out too soon they like the Oxford developers are only half way through the 3rd part of the program we need to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 5:59 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 4:57 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess you reckon the chaos would have been all over then had we left six months or maybe a year earlier? LOL! Of course not as everyone knows they had no exit strategy. Because they still can't sort out the mess they've got themselves into, the acolytes blame shift as they've never taken responsibility for their insanity and never will. Anyway, back to thread topic. This is the couple who started BioNTech. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54886883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 4:50 PM StuartO - 2020-11-10 3:31 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? At least it doesn't have to be shipped through the French ports! The tricky bit appears to be maintaining safe temperature control in transit and storage. It has to be kept at minus 70 deg C! The fridges in GP Surgeries for vaccine storage operate at temperature ranges simialr to domestic fridges. Even domestic freezers are only designed for minus 18 deg C. It seesm odd that there is such a tight and low temperature requirement when the active element of the vaccine is said to be a short chunk of RNA. I cant see it being distributed from GP's surgeries Stuart. The logistics of distribution will probably be more complex than developing the vaccine. I would imagine it is more likely to be distributed in massive sports halls or stadiums with special mobile refrigeration units. Our rural GP still uses a fax machine and can only cope with a handful or two of patients at a time. It could well be because of the volatile nature of this vaccine and that it requires such low temperatures that another one may overtake it in time. This is pure speculation of course. You would know more than most of us as to the most likely way forward I would have thought. As regards shipping it unless it can be maintained at the required temperature I think it has to be administered within 24 hours so if thats the case and its coming from Belgium if it cant come through the French ports we better hope it can come by plane. GP's have already been put on standby to distribute the vaccine, Pfizer have a suitcase sized freezer for the vaccine. p.s. The first inline will be care home residents and workers, they won't be shipping these out of the homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 5:59 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 4:57 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess you reckon the chaos would have been all over then had we left six months or maybe a year earlier? LOL! Chances are we would have probably left right in the middle of the first wave or soon before it. That would have really been helpful I am sure (not). The only reason it was held up was to avoid a crash out Brexit that would have caused the chaos at all our ports not to mention the damage to the economy. Perhaps if they had agreed to a confirmatory referendum years ago then we could have had it done and dusted one way or another much sooner. Seems your laying all the blame on that nasty Brexit and those nasty Brexit voters and none at all on those nice Chinese ... How you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 6:51 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 5:59 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 4:57 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess you reckon the chaos would have been all over then had we left six months or maybe a year earlier? LOL! Chances are we would have probably left right in the middle of the first wave or soon before it. That would have really been helpful I am sure (not). The only reason it was held up was to avoid a crash out Brexit that would have caused the chaos at all our ports not to mention the damage to the economy. Perhaps if they had agreed to a confirmatory referendum years ago then we could have had it done and dusted one way or another much sooner. Seems your laying all the blame on that nasty Brexit and those nasty Brexit voters and none at all on those nice Chinese ... How you Im not laying the blame for Covid on anyone but I have no doubts that its been handled badly by a government that was put in place to do one job, Brexit and not only can they not get that right they have totally failed in the handling of the virus. So you could argue, no Brexit and we might have had a safer pair of hands on the tiller when the covid sh1t really hit the fan. Im also arguing that had we left earlier it could well have been a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-11-10 2:16 PM Don't they want our fish? Is that the trade deal BoJo is offering? If they Ignore the fact he is reneging on a deal he signed 9 months ago and trust BoJo *-) again they can keep the fishing quotas we have sold them in exchange for a covid vaccine *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-11-10 3:18 PM BioNTech, the German company which collaborated with Pfizer to work on the vaccine, was only founded 12 years ago......by two Turkish immigrants. Their company now worth almost £17 billion after it's shares shot up 23.4% on Monday. 8-) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/biontechs-covid-vaccine-a-shot-in-the-arm-for-germanys-turkish-community And it was a picture of Turkish Immigrants that persuaded the numpties to vote for Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-11-10 3:52 PM Seeing as the lurgy seems to thrive in cold meat factories and the like.......I'm not surprised that it requires low temperatures.........especially as the folk who created it in China used to keep it in the freezer :-| ......... Its the vaccine we want to preserve, not the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 10:08 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 6:51 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 5:59 PM Birdbrain - 2020-11-10 4:57 PM Barryd999 - 2020-11-10 1:44 PM Apparently the only factory currently equipped to make the vaccine at scale in Europe is in Belgium. The vaccine is somewhat tricky to transport and has a relatively short shelf life. Good job we’re not doing anything in January that may totally screw up the logistics of transporting stuff between Belgium and the UK then eh? Had the likes of you and those traitors MPs who are now unemployed accepted your Brexit defeat then you wouldnt have to worry your pretty liccle head with January nonsense would ya ... Brexit would have all been done before the Chinese even started spewing Covid on the world ... Chins up princess you reckon the chaos would have been all over then had we left six months or maybe a year earlier? LOL! Chances are we would have probably left right in the middle of the first wave or soon before it. That would have really been helpful I am sure (not). The only reason it was held up was to avoid a crash out Brexit that would have caused the chaos at all our ports not to mention the damage to the economy. Perhaps if they had agreed to a confirmatory referendum years ago then we could have had it done and dusted one way or another much sooner. Seems your laying all the blame on that nasty Brexit and those nasty Brexit voters and none at all on those nice Chinese ... How you Im not laying the blame for Covid on anyone but I have no doubts that its been handled badly by a government that was put in place to do one job, Brexit and not only can they not get that right they have totally failed in the handling of the virus. So you could argue, no Brexit and we might have had a safer pair of hands on the tiller when the covid sh1t really hit the fan. Im also arguing that had we left earlier it could well have been a lot worse. Ding-a-Ling ... Brexit is real though, its happening so get over it or ya life is guna be over ... Wouldnt matter how our Tory Government handled Covid you'd still be squealing up and down the forums bitching, its what you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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