jumpstart Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 1:06 PM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:40 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 8:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 What use is 500 million euros when the poorer countries need actual vaccine? ;-) .......... Vaccine that the incompetent EU cant spare......Unlike Brexit Blighty >:-) ......... Suck it up HATER (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Except the UK is just making pledges - it is actually agreeing to donate "surplus" vaccine at some time in the future. Something that most countries are agreeing to, including EU ones. When will the EU have spare vaccine.......2022?........2023? :D ......... We will have spare vaccine in 7 months time B-) ......... Where Brexit Blighty Leads.......the EU dawdles behind >:-) ....... (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Looks like that seven months wait isnt going to cause any problems. A cynic might suggest that Doris is doing this so these countries can replace the UK in the league of death charts? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/unprotected-african-health-workers-die-rich-countries-buy-covid-19-vaccines Thats awful, the EU should immediately give up all its vaccines and save lives by giving it all to African countries. As you have said the poor UK is only a 3rd World country and will have to cut its overseas aid budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-20 1:43 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 1:06 PM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:40 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 8:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 What use is 500 million euros when the poorer countries need actual vaccine? ;-) .......... Vaccine that the incompetent EU cant spare......Unlike Brexit Blighty >:-) ......... Suck it up HATER (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Except the UK is just making pledges - it is actually agreeing to donate "surplus" vaccine at some time in the future. Something that most countries are agreeing to, including EU ones. When will the EU have spare vaccine.......2022?........2023? :D ......... We will have spare vaccine in 7 months time B-) ......... Where Brexit Blighty Leads.......the EU dawdles behind >:-) ....... (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Looks like that seven months wait isnt going to cause any problems. A cynic might suggest that Doris is doing this so these countries can replace the UK in the league of death charts? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/unprotected-african-health-workers-die-rich-countries-buy-covid-19-vaccines Thats awful, the EU should immediately give up all its vaccines and save lives by giving it all to African countries. As you have said the poor UK is only a 3rd World country and will have to cut its overseas aid budget. Apart from they are not the EU vaccines, each independent and sovereign country has its own vaccines to distribute as it sees fit, do you understand that yet? That is why the roll-out is different in each EU country. And I didn't say that the UK should cut its overseas budget, that was Doris breaking a manifesto commitment that he made before the last election - but as we know he likes to break his word. And for the record because of the immediate need for vaccines in less developed countries it was Macron that called for ALL countries to give up 5% of their current vaccine availability now, not in seven months time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 1:56 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 1:43 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 1:06 PM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:40 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 8:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 What use is 500 million euros when the poorer countries need actual vaccine? ;-) .......... Vaccine that the incompetent EU cant spare......Unlike Brexit Blighty >:-) ......... Suck it up HATER (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Except the UK is just making pledges - it is actually agreeing to donate "surplus" vaccine at some time in the future. Something that most countries are agreeing to, including EU ones. When will the EU have spare vaccine.......2022?........2023? :D ......... We will have spare vaccine in 7 months time B-) ......... Where Brexit Blighty Leads.......the EU dawdles behind >:-) ....... (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Looks like that seven months wait isnt going to cause any problems. A cynic might suggest that Doris is doing this so these countries can replace the UK in the league of death charts? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/unprotected-african-health-workers-die-rich-countries-buy-covid-19-vaccines Thats awful, the EU should immediately give up all its vaccines and save lives by giving it all to African countries. As you have said the poor UK is only a 3rd World country and will have to cut its overseas aid budget. Apart from they are not the EU vaccines, each independent and sovereign country has its own vaccines to distribute as it sees fit, do you understand that yet? That is why the roll-out is different in each EU country. And I didn't say that the UK should cut its overseas budget, that was Doris breaking a manifesto commitment that he made before the last election - but as we know he likes to break his word. And for the record because of the immediate need for vaccines in less developed countries it was Macron that called for ALL countries to give up 5% of their current vaccine availability now, not in seven months time. Under its vaccines strategy, the Commission has forged agreements with individual vaccine producers on behalf of EU countries. Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level, all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Thats what i call ...an EU vaccine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:11 PM Under its vaccines strategy, the Commission has forged agreements with individual vaccine producers on behalf of EU countries. Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level, all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Thats what i call ...an EU vaccine.. And we are now well beyond the stage where "the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access." Which was the end of December. So it is sovereign states within the EU that are now in charge of distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:21 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:11 PM Under its vaccines strategy, the Commission has forged agreements with individual vaccine producers on behalf of EU countries. Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level, all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Thats what i call ...an EU vaccine.. And we are now well beyond the stage where "the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access." Which was the end of December. So it is sovereign states within the EU that are now in charge of distribution. ...of the EU vaccine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:32 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:21 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:11 PM Under its vaccines strategy, the Commission has forged agreements with individual vaccine producers on behalf of EU countries. Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level, all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Thats what i call ...an EU vaccine.. And we are now well beyond the stage where "the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access." Which was the end of December. So it is sovereign states within the EU that are now in charge of distribution. ...of the EU vaccine... Nope, its the same vaccine you'll be getting next week. Surely you are not getting a EU vaccine, you better decline it and eat an extra yogurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:38 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:32 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:21 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:11 PM Under its vaccines strategy, the Commission has forged agreements with individual vaccine producers on behalf of EU countries. Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level, all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Thats what i call ...an EU vaccine.. And we are now well beyond the stage where "the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access." Which was the end of December. So it is sovereign states within the EU that are now in charge of distribution. ...of the EU vaccine... Nope, its the same vaccine you'll be getting next week. Surely you are not getting a EU vaccine, you better decline it and eat an extra yogurt. You seem to be getting your wires crossed. The EU vaccine is the vaccine in the EU. Extra yoghurt is always a good idea , but there are many ways to improve your immune system . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:46 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:38 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:32 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:21 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-20 2:11 PM Under its vaccines strategy, the Commission has forged agreements with individual vaccine producers on behalf of EU countries. Once available, proven safe and effective, and authorised at EU level, all Member States will have access to COVID-19 vaccines at the same time and the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access. Thats what i call ...an EU vaccine.. And we are now well beyond the stage where "the distribution will be done on a per capita basis to ensure fair access." Which was the end of December. So it is sovereign states within the EU that are now in charge of distribution. ...of the EU vaccine... Nope, its the same vaccine you'll be getting next week. Surely you are not getting a EU vaccine, you better decline it and eat an extra yogurt. You seem to be getting your wires crossed. The EU vaccine is the vaccine in the EU. Extra yoghurt is always a good idea , but there are many ways to improve your immune system . Tell me please, what brand is the "EU vaccine"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 2:50 PM Tell me please, what brand is the "EU vaccine"? As I understand it; Same as UK except it costs more in UK , and if the manufacturer sells dodgy vaccine in UK they cannot be sued. But if the manufacturer sold dodgy vaccine in the EU they can be sued. (oh and we have left the EU 'cos BoJo gets better deals than the EU *-) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 7:14 PM teflon2 - 2021-02-19 7:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 How mean a group of 27 countries donate only 500 million euros when the UK (4 countries ) donate £548 million Except some of those 27 countries also donated in their own individual right as sovereign countries can. So how much have these states that you claim have made extra donations. To achieve parity with the UK donation the total would have to add up to 6.75 times the amount the UK donated. For someone who has a university education you need to understand sovereign, the 27 EU states have to comply with the EU directives so not sovereign in the full meaning of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 teflon2 - 2021-02-20 6:39 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 7:14 PM teflon2 - 2021-02-19 7:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 How mean a group of 27 countries donate only 500 million euros when the UK (4 countries ) donate £548 million Except some of those 27 countries also donated in their own individual right as sovereign countries can. So how much have these states that you claim have made extra donations. To achieve parity with the UK donation the total would have to add up to 6.75 times the amount the UK donated. For someone who has a university education you need to understand sovereign, the 27 EU states have to comply with the EU directives so not sovereign in the full meaning of the word. Except the UK donation isnt £548 million, with typical spin its "upto £500M" with $1 of match funding promised for every $4 promised by others. Still some mugs saw the headline and believed it, some even repeated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-20 6:59 PM teflon2 - 2021-02-20 6:39 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 7:14 PM teflon2 - 2021-02-19 7:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 How mean a group of 27 countries donate only 500 million euros when the UK (4 countries ) donate £548 million Except some of those 27 countries also donated in their own individual right as sovereign countries can. So how much have these states that you claim have made extra donations. To achieve parity with the UK donation the total would have to add up to 6.75 times the amount the UK donated. For someone who has a university education you need to understand sovereign, the 27 EU states have to comply with the EU directives so not sovereign in the full meaning of the word. Except the UK donation isnt £548 million, with typical spin its "upto £500M" with $1 of match funding promised for every $4 promised by others. Still some mugs saw the headline and believed it, some even repeated it. You really are being obtuse and mildly offensive. Try looking at the actual payments as certified by Gavi UK $735 million EU $485 million Really shows up the meanness of a group of 27 states does it not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:59 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 9:43 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:40 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 8:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 What use is 500 million euros when the poorer countries need actual vaccine? ;-) .......... Vaccine that the incompetent EU cant spare......Unlike Brexit Blighty >:-) ......... Suck it up HATER (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Except the UK is just making pledges - it is actually agreeing to donate "surplus" vaccine at some time in the future. Something that most countries are agreeing to, including EU ones. When will the EU have spare vaccine.......2022?........2023? :D ......... We will have spare vaccine in 7 months time B-) ......... Where Brexit Blighty Leads.......the EU dawdles behind >:-) ....... (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Except the pledges made by the EU and other countries in December has allowed COVAX to start the rollout to health professionals in less developed countries NOW. Not wait until the end of the year, typically blighty doing things too late. https://www.who.int/news/item/18-12-2020-covax-announces-additional-deals-to-access-promising-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-plans-global-rollout-starting-q1-2021 Starting? ;-) .......... Where does it say its started? :D ......... All I can find is this (?) ......... First deliveries in Q1 2021 "Today’s announcements on deals and dose-sharing mean COVAX can plan for the first deliveries of vaccines in the first quarter of 2021," Planning is not the same as starting :-| ....... E- For comrehension of basic English >:-) ....... Looks like its started Good job they had the EU cash and didn't have to wait "until the end of the year" to see if Brexit Blighty had some out of date vaccine stock to offload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-25 1:02 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:59 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 9:43 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 9:05 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:40 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-19 8:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-19 8:26 AM Uk is a bit slow there, this was three months ago https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2262 What use is 500 million euros when the poorer countries need actual vaccine? ;-) .......... Vaccine that the incompetent EU cant spare......Unlike Brexit Blighty >:-) ......... Suck it up HATER (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Except the UK is just making pledges - it is actually agreeing to donate "surplus" vaccine at some time in the future. Something that most countries are agreeing to, including EU ones. When will the EU have spare vaccine.......2022?........2023? :D ......... We will have spare vaccine in 7 months time B-) ......... Where Brexit Blighty Leads.......the EU dawdles behind >:-) ....... (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Except the pledges made by the EU and other countries in December has allowed COVAX to start the rollout to health professionals in less developed countries NOW. Not wait until the end of the year, typically blighty doing things too late. https://www.who.int/news/item/18-12-2020-covax-announces-additional-deals-to-access-promising-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-plans-global-rollout-starting-q1-2021 Starting? ;-) .......... Where does it say its started? :D ......... All I can find is this (?) ......... First deliveries in Q1 2021 "Today’s announcements on deals and dose-sharing mean COVAX can plan for the first deliveries of vaccines in the first quarter of 2021," Planning is not the same as starting :-| ....... E- For comrehension of basic English >:-) ....... Looks like its started Good job they had the EU cash and didn't have to wait "until the end of the year" to see if Brexit Blighty had some out of date vaccine stock to offload. So you admit you were spreading Fake News earlier? >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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