Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 "EU leaders have blood on their hands, say experts: Britain's AstraZeneca jab success left Macron and Merkel humiliated, it's the one cheap vaccine that could avert disaster in Africa... but thanks to baseless fears, AZ stocks are being rejected" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9870467/Observers-say-EU-leaders-Macron-Merkel-blood-hands-Africa-AZ-jab-doubts.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-astrazeneca-jab.html https://bhekisisa.org/health-news-south-africa/2021-03-29-why-south-africa-isnt-using-the-astrazeneca-jabs-it-bought/ No doubt our resident defenders of the indefensible will be along soon to defend their hero's *-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 More to the point we are having enough trouble persuading people in England to take the vaccine I wonder why they don't trust the Government's advice *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 could you get your head out of the Daily Mail to look at an independent view from America https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/03/corruption-britain-has-reached-new-heights-under-boris-johnson-s-government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-07 8:51 AM More to the point we are having enough trouble persuading people in England to take the vaccine I wonder why they don't trust the Government's advice *-) You dont alf post some bollox's *-) ............ Fortunately we only have a minority of gobby Knobheads like Corbyn's Bro >:-) ......... Which is why we have one of the best vaccination rates in the WORLD.......and are now planning to roll out our booster jabs B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-07 8:55 AM could you get your head out of the Daily Mail to look at an independent view from America https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/03/corruption-britain-has-reached-new-heights-under-boris-johnson-s-government Deflection is the same as defending >:-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 You have posted three links, the first from the Daily Fail says AZ isn't being used around the world due to USA and EU politicking, the other two dispute this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 colin - 2021-08-07 2:52 PM You have posted three links, the first from the Daily Fail says AZ isn't being used around the world due to USA and EU politicking, the other two dispute this. Ahem ;-) ............ "But some scientists in South Africa disagree. In an op-ed in the South African Medical Journal, they argue that rather than waiting for the “perfect jab” and focusing on public trust, the priority should be a fast vaccine roll-out (so we need to use the jabs we’ve got). Moreover, they say the stop-start approach to the AstraZeneca vaccine in South Africa and in Europe has already undermined trust in the jab and seen it labelled “second-best with reports of AstraZeneca-specific vaccine hesitancy from across the globe”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-08-07 3:16 PM colin - 2021-08-07 2:52 PM You have posted three links, the first from the Daily Fail says AZ isn't being used around the world due to USA and EU politicking, the other two dispute this. Ahem ;-) ............ "But some scientists in South Africa disagree. In an op-ed in the South African Medical Journal, they argue that rather than waiting for the “perfect jab” and focusing on public trust, the priority should be a fast vaccine roll-out (so we need to use the jabs we’ve got). Moreover, they say the stop-start approach to the AstraZeneca vaccine in South Africa and in Europe has already undermined trust in the jab and seen it labelled “second-best with reports of AstraZeneca-specific vaccine hesitancy from across the globe”. The stop on AZ in RSA was their own doing as they found it ineffective against the variant they had, nothing to do with the USA or EU, as clearly stated in the article here The results from the study showed that AstraZeneca was only 21.9% effective against SARS-CoV-2 in South Africa. When researchers isolated those cases of participants who were infected with the new variant of the virus (B.1.351 or 501Y.V2) they noted that the jab was only 10.4% effective. Further, laboratory studies confirmed that the variant was able to completely escape the vaccine’s immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 colin - 2021-08-07 3:49 PM pelmetman - 2021-08-07 3:16 PM colin - 2021-08-07 2:52 PM You have posted three links, the first from the Daily Fail says AZ isn't being used around the world due to USA and EU politicking, the other two dispute this. Ahem ;-) ............ "But some scientists in South Africa disagree. In an op-ed in the South African Medical Journal, they argue that rather than waiting for the “perfect jab” and focusing on public trust, the priority should be a fast vaccine roll-out (so we need to use the jabs we’ve got). Moreover, they say the stop-start approach to the AstraZeneca vaccine in South Africa and in Europe has already undermined trust in the jab and seen it labelled “second-best with reports of AstraZeneca-specific vaccine hesitancy from across the globe”. The stop on AZ in RSA was their own doing as they found it ineffective against the variant they had, nothing to do with the USA or EU, as clearly stated in the article here The results from the study showed that AstraZeneca was only 21.9% effective against SARS-CoV-2 in South Africa. When researchers isolated those cases of participants who were infected with the new variant of the virus (B.1.351 or 501Y.V2) they noted that the jab was only 10.4% effective. Further, laboratory studies confirmed that the variant was able to completely escape the vaccine’s immunity. So Africa has only one variant? 8-) ............. https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/07/1095152 That's a no then *-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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