747 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 When State control is in force then it has to be a Socialist State. Therefore the Nazis were Socialists. Taken to extremes, Communism is extreme Socialism as in Russia. Both examples above resulted in tens of millions of deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-08-10 6:42 PM Limpy Liberals are just old fashioned surrender Monkeys :D ........... (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Make your mind up - we were warmongers a minute ago *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-10 7:56 PM When State control is in force then it has to be a Socialist State. How did you work that one out *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-08-10 6:44 PM John52 - 2021-08-10 5:26 PM pelmetman - 2021-08-10 10:33 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-08-10 8:56 AM pelmetman - 2021-08-09 8:37 AM ..................................So you are blaming Boris for believing LABOURS LIES? ;-) .......... Rest assured neither I or Boris or anyone with half a brain will make THAT mistake again (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Of course he is to blame for believing lies. Who else could possibly be to blame? To have believed any of Bush's Iraq tripe is totally beyond excusing. He only voted in favour because Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was leading the charge. If the Conservative opposition at the time had done its job properly Blair wouldn't have got his way. But no. Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was in charge, so what could possibly go wrong? Answer: Iraq and Afghanistan went wrong - and are still going wrong. A few years later he (Johnson) becomes the UK's Conservative (= right wing, = ask no questions) Prime Minister. Blind loyalty, they call it. I'm on the right, he's on the right, so he must be, well.......................right! :-D What utter foolishness! I want a PM with 20/20 vision! I don't care which party he leads, just so long as s/he has clear vision and both eyes open. So, given your common blind political backgrounds, I gain no comfort whatever from your assurance. Wherever a blind right wing leader goes, you will unquestioningly follow, even to hell in a handcart - if that is the blind leader goes! The above is a perfect example of a Loony Liberal claiming 20/20 vision with the benefit of hindsight *-) ........ But then again they frequently talk out of that end too in my experience >:-) ............. Half a million people were demonstrating in London against the illegal invasion of Iraq - BEFORE it happened THAT IS NOT HINDSIGHT!!! And thats just the ones who joined the demonstration Well said John........and where was Pelmet when the first barrage of cruise missiles went in? Getting himself off in front of the tv. :-| Since millions of people could see it would be a catastrophe Including Jeremy Corbyn who argued relentlessly against it BEFORE IT HAPPENED SO IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT why couldn't Boris Johnson? You'll only ever get obfuscation and massive deflection away from his love flame over that. :-| Yes - I put it in Shouty capital letters for him like he does - but he still ignores it :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-08-10 6:26 PM Bulletguy - 2021-08-10 3:22 PM................................Republican Bush always gets ignored by the right wing whenever Blair/Iraq/WMD gets wheeled out. It's an uncomfortable inconvenience they would sooner sweep under the carpet in their pursuance of pillorying Blair as the 'warmonger' when it was clear Britain was meekly wagging it's subservient tail as it's US master barked demanding immediate action.................... Oh, I think Tiny Blur was a very willing participant. He even claimed he and shrub prayed together, so spiritual bonds and all that! :-D I don't think Bliar is a warmonger - he is just in awe of those with wealth and power like so many people in England. So he sucked up to George Bush and promised to support him, at the little people's expense, whatever the cost, without consulting them When the French were having their revolution the English Government feared it would spread to England, and had guns placed on top of places like the British Museum to massacre the population like they did at Peterloo But it never happened. The English seem to want to join the upper classes rathre than overthrow them. Like pelmet changed sides when he got a bit of property himself. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-11 7:43 AM 747 - 2021-08-10 7:56 PM When State control is in force then it has to be a Socialist State. How did you work that one out *-) You may not have noticed but the UK is not controlled by the 'State'. It is a free market economy working within UK Laws. No true Democracy is 'State controlled', only the ones that you and bulletguy favour. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-10 7:56 PM Therefore the Nazis were Socialists. That nonsense has been regularly peddled by the right wing for years to divert attention from their fascist views and been debunked endless times. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-11 12:17 PM John52 - 2021-08-11 7:43 AM 747 - 2021-08-10 7:56 PM When State control is in force then it has to be a Socialist State. How did you work that one out *-) You may not have noticed but the UK is not controlled by the 'State'. It is a free market economy working within UK Laws. No true Democracy is 'State controlled', only the ones that you and bulletguy favour. ;-) I favour the socialism which brought the country a National Health Service, the envy of right wing capitalists who failed to achieve that so been doing their utmost to destroy and/or sell off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-11 12:17 PM You may not have noticed but the UK is not controlled by the 'State'. So paying taxes to the State is voluntary - I wish you'd told me that before *-) 747 - 2021-08-11 12:17 PM No true Democracy is 'State controlled', No True Democracy has an Unelected (and Unaccountable) Head of State and Unelected Second Chamber, both with power of veto over the 'Elected' (by a minority of voters) part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-08-11 2:20 PM I favour the socialism which brought the country a National Health Service, the envy of right wing capitalists who failed to achieve that so been doing their utmost to destroy and/or sell off. Looks like they have succeeded https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/11/people-waiting-vital-nhs-services-england-covid-delays-treatment Less that 10% of those who died from Covid got intensive care like Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-11 12:17 PM It is a free market economy .... when it suits the Government If there was a free market in housing it would be cheaper But the Government restricts supply with planning constraints, and stokes up demand with taxpayer funded subsidy like 'Help to Buy' and housing benefit Thats not a free market Thats Rentier Capitalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-11 6:37 PM 747 - 2021-08-11 12:17 PM It is a free market economy .... when it suits the Government If there was a free market in housing it would be cheaper But the Government restricts supply with planning constraints, and stokes up demand with taxpayer funded subsidy like 'Help to Buy' and housing benefit Thats not a free market Thats Rentier Capitalism Seeing as you're down here freeloading again ;-) ........ Have you let out your house to the homeless? :-| ........ Nah thought not.......HYPOCRITE *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Wasting our time with the dumb duo Dave. :D I might go and watch some paint dry, it's more interesting. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-11 7:24 PM Wasting our time with the dumb duo Dave. :D I might go and watch some paint dry, it's more interesting. ;-) I'm just doing my care in the community bit :D .......... How's Fruitcakes doing? ;-) ........ Barry is prolly a fulltime job 8-) ........ (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 747 - 2021-08-11 7:24 PM I might go and watch some paint dry ;-) Good idea You might not make such a fool of yourself when you are doing that ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-11 7:49 AM Bulletguy - 2021-08-10 6:44 PM John52 - 2021-08-10 5:26 PM pelmetman - 2021-08-10 10:33 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-08-10 8:56 AM pelmetman - 2021-08-09 8:37 AM ..................................So you are blaming Boris for believing LABOURS LIES? ;-) .......... Rest assured neither I or Boris or anyone with half a brain will make THAT mistake again (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Of course he is to blame for believing lies. Who else could possibly be to blame? To have believed any of Bush's Iraq tripe is totally beyond excusing. He only voted in favour because Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was leading the charge. If the Conservative opposition at the time had done its job properly Blair wouldn't have got his way. But no. Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was in charge, so what could possibly go wrong? Answer: Iraq and Afghanistan went wrong - and are still going wrong. A few years later he (Johnson) becomes the UK's Conservative (= right wing, = ask no questions) Prime Minister. Blind loyalty, they call it. I'm on the right, he's on the right, so he must be, well.......................right! :-D What utter foolishness! I want a PM with 20/20 vision! I don't care which party he leads, just so long as s/he has clear vision and both eyes open. So, given your common blind political backgrounds, I gain no comfort whatever from your assurance. Wherever a blind right wing leader goes, you will unquestioningly follow, even to hell in a handcart - if that is the blind leader goes! The above is a perfect example of a Loony Liberal claiming 20/20 vision with the benefit of hindsight *-) ........ But then again they frequently talk out of that end too in my experience >:-) ............. Half a million people were demonstrating in London against the illegal invasion of Iraq - BEFORE it happened THAT IS NOT HINDSIGHT!!! And thats just the ones who joined the demonstration Well said John........and where was Pelmet when the first barrage of cruise missiles went in? Getting himself off in front of the tv. :-| Since millions of people could see it would be a catastrophe Including Jeremy Corbyn who argued relentlessly against it BEFORE IT HAPPENED SO IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT why couldn't Boris Johnson? You'll only ever get obfuscation and massive deflection away from his love flame over that. :-| Yes - I put it in Shouty capital letters for him like he does - but he still ignores it :-S He's still ignoring it and changing the subject Perhaps a picture of his hero flag waving might grab his attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-11 7:49 PM John52 - 2021-08-11 7:49 AM Bulletguy - 2021-08-10 6:44 PM John52 - 2021-08-10 5:26 PM pelmetman - 2021-08-10 10:33 AM Brian Kirby - 2021-08-10 8:56 AM pelmetman - 2021-08-09 8:37 AM ..................................So you are blaming Boris for believing LABOURS LIES? ;-) .......... Rest assured neither I or Boris or anyone with half a brain will make THAT mistake again (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Of course he is to blame for believing lies. Who else could possibly be to blame? To have believed any of Bush's Iraq tripe is totally beyond excusing. He only voted in favour because Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was leading the charge. If the Conservative opposition at the time had done its job properly Blair wouldn't have got his way. But no. Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was in charge, so what could possibly go wrong? Answer: Iraq and Afghanistan went wrong - and are still going wrong. A few years later he (Johnson) becomes the UK's Conservative (= right wing, = ask no questions) Prime Minister. Blind loyalty, they call it. I'm on the right, he's on the right, so he must be, well.......................right! :-D What utter foolishness! I want a PM with 20/20 vision! I don't care which party he leads, just so long as s/he has clear vision and both eyes open. So, given your common blind political backgrounds, I gain no comfort whatever from your assurance. Wherever a blind right wing leader goes, you will unquestioningly follow, even to hell in a handcart - if that is the blind leader goes! The above is a perfect example of a Loony Liberal claiming 20/20 vision with the benefit of hindsight *-) ........ But then again they frequently talk out of that end too in my experience >:-) ............. Half a million people were demonstrating in London against the illegal invasion of Iraq - BEFORE it happened THAT IS NOT HINDSIGHT!!! And thats just the ones who joined the demonstration Well said John........and where was Pelmet when the first barrage of cruise missiles went in? Getting himself off in front of the tv. :-| Since millions of people could see it would be a catastrophe Including Jeremy Corbyn who argued relentlessly against it BEFORE IT HAPPENED SO IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT why couldn't Boris Johnson? You'll only ever get obfuscation and massive deflection away from his love flame over that. :-| Yes - I put it in Shouty capital letters for him like he does - but he still ignores it :-S He's still ignoring it and changing the subject Perhaps a picture of his hero flag waving might grab his attention So how many Jock homeless have you allowed to use your gaff whilst your down here sponging off the English? ;-) ....... Just askin a 2 faced hypocrite >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I asked first Since millions of people could see the illegal invasion of Iraq would be a catastrophe Including Jeremy Corbyn who argued relentlessly against it BEFORE IT HAPPENED SO IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT why couldn't Boris Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-11 8:02 PM I asked first Since millions of people could see the illegal invasion of Iraq would be a catastrophe Including Jeremy Corbyn who argued relentlessly against it BEFORE IT HAPPENED SO IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT why couldn't Boris Johnson? Its high time you Lefties OWNED your own Sh1t rather than dump it in other folks bins >:-) ........ Blair was a LABOUR LEADER ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-11 8:02 PM I asked first Since millions of people could see the illegal invasion of Iraq would be a catastrophe Including Jeremy Corbyn who argued relentlessly against it BEFORE IT HAPPENED SO IT IS NOT HINDSIGHT why couldn't Boris Johnson? He won't ever answer that question because of the uncomfortable truth about his loved one. Brian put it 100% spot on yesterday and this is what Pelmet will always struggle with (the bolding is mine); Brian Kirby - 2021-08-10 8:56 AM pelmetman - 2021-08-09 8:37 AM ..................................So you are blaming Boris for believing LABOURS LIES? ;-) .......... Rest assured neither I or Boris or anyone with half a brain will make THAT mistake again (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Of course he is to blame for believing lies. Who else could possibly be to blame? To have believed any of Bush's Iraq tripe is totally beyond excusing. He only voted in favour because Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was leading the charge. If the Conservative opposition at the time had done its job properly Blair wouldn't have got his way. But no. Bush (= US Republican President = right wing = ask no questions) was in charge, so what could possibly go wrong? Answer: Iraq and Afghanistan went wrong - and are still going wrong. A few years later he (Johnson) becomes the UK's Conservative (= right wing, = ask no questions) Prime Minister. Blind loyalty, they call it. I'm on the right, he's on the right, so he must be, well.......................right! :-D What utter foolishness! I want a PM with 20/20 vision! I don't care which party he leads, just so long as s/he has clear vision and both eyes open. So, given your common blind political backgrounds, I gain no comfort whatever from your assurance. Wherever a blind right wing leader goes, you will unquestioningly follow, even to hell in a handcart - if that is the blind leader goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Phew......what's that smell? 8-) ....... Oh I'm down wind of Bullsh1tGuy :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-08-11 8:08 PM Blair was a LABOUR LEADER ;-) .......... So why did Johnson (Conservative)vote with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-08-10 6:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-08-10 6:36 PM pelmetman - 2021-08-10 5:53 PM................................... So were you against Gulf war 1? ;-) ................. On balance, yes. Saddam invaded Kuwait on a pretext. Kuwait was counted an ally, and requested assistance. It is reasonable (and legal) to go to the aid of an ally in order to repel an aggressor. We did, and we did (as part of a large international coalition). Not quite the same second time round, was it? Thought so ;-) .................Limpy Liberals are just old fashioned surrender Monkeys :D ........... (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Couldn't understand your reply until I re-read your question - you were asking for confirmation of a negative. My apologies, the answer I should have given was no. I was in favour of Gulf war 1, for the reasons stated - as should have been clear had you read my reasons, rather than just the first word. Mea culpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-12 7:48 AM pelmetman - 2021-08-11 8:08 PM Blair was a LABOUR LEADER ;-) .......... So why did Johnson (Conservative)vote with him? Because LABOUR's Blair LIED and told the country Saddam had Weapons of mass destruction *-) .......... Yet you being a dumb ar*e Lefty blame the Tories for believing LABOUR's LIES........Unbelievable 8-) .......... Which just goes to show no one should believe a word that YOU LEFTIES utter >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 John52 - 2021-08-12 7:48 AM pelmetman - 2021-08-11 8:08 PM Blair was a LABOUR LEADER ;-) .......... So why did Johnson (Conservative)vote with him? Because LABOUR's Blair LIED and told the country Saddam had Weapons of mass destruction *-) .......... Yet you being a dumb ar*e Lefty blame the Tories for believing LABOUR's LIES........Unbelievable 8-) .......... Which just goes to show no one should believe a word that YOU LEFTIES utter >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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