Barryd999 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-18 6:20 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-18 5:57 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-12 8:43 AM Easy to say that he “spiffed it away to cronies” but whilst all politicians must be held to account for such actions - the fact that the vaccine rollout has been a success such that it now looks like the U.K. will be one of the first countries to move to endemic rather than pandemic has to be recognised. This aged well. 438 deaths today. Just because the Tory party say it is over does not make it so. Yes well - whatever you say - yawn…………. But the reality is that when dealing with a pandemic “Act quickly” is the best option on the table. Whereas what VDL and the EU did was “Act as accountants” Laughable As is your take on where we are now. Is this a joke post? Serious question. Johnson and the Tories did anything but and that is why 150000+ or whatever it is now are dead. Every time dither and delay, dither and delay, take it on the chin, shake hands, play it down, try and hide the blighty virus until its out of control. Just because the NHS, the vaccine producers and as luck has it some difference between UK and Belgian law meant we finally got people jabbed quickly does not detract from the horrendous handling of the pandemic before that. Just imagine what the death toll would have been with Johnson in charge if the vaccine producers and NHS had not saved us. Had they acted quickly and decisively from day one and played our island status to our advantage with much stricter and faster border control we could have been nearer to the figures of Australia or Japan than actually running the worse death rate in the world on several occasions. Act quickly!! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-18 7:25 PM Barryd999 - 2022-01-18 6:39 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-18 6:20 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-18 5:57 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-12 8:43 AM Easy to say that he “spiffed it away to cronies” but whilst all politicians must be held to account for such actions - the fact that the vaccine rollout has been a success such that it now looks like the U.K. will be one of the first countries to move to endemic rather than pandemic has to be recognised. This aged well. 438 deaths today. Just because the Tory party say it is over does not make it so. Yes well - whatever you say - yawn…………. But the reality is that when dealing with a pandemic “Act quickly” is the best option on the table. Whereas what VDL and the EU did was “Act as accountants” Laughable As is your take on where we are now. Is this a joke post? Serious question. Johnson and the Tories did anything but and that is why 150000+ or whatever it is now are dead. Every time dither and delay, dither and delay, take it on the chin, shake hands, play it down, try and hide the blighty virus until its out of control. Just because the NHS, the vaccine producers and as luck has it some difference between UK and Belgian law meant we finally got people jabbed quickly does not detract from the horrendous handling of the pandemic before that. Just imagine what the death toll would have been with Johnson in charge if the vaccine producers and NHS had not saved us. Had they acted quickly and decisively from day one and played our island status to our advantage with much stricter and faster border control we could have been nearer to the figures of Australia or Japan than actually running the worse death rate in the world on several occasions. Act quickly!! (lol) You miss understand- which is not surprising as you excel at it even when given half a chance to get things right. We are not talking about “Lockdowm”. - that panacea of the idiot left where the whole population is forced to live in a cupboard under the stairs like some perverse copy of Harry Potter. Lockdown did enormous damage to the economy. But the idiological left such as you would like to have used Covid as an excuse to destroy the economy of the U.K. by “Locking it up/ Locking it down. Thankfully wiser heads prevailed and what was done quickly was vaccine procurement, vaccine roll out and vaccine delivery. What our government did was put up the cash and agree to supply a damn good vaccine at cost to the world. What VDL and the muppets of the EU did was to delay whilst trying to drive down cost. As I say - we acted quickly to secure vaccine VDL and the EU phaffed about trying to get vaccines on the cheap. I do not misunderstand at all, you do it seems. I simply found it absurd that you claimed the government / Johnson acted quickly as thats what you do in a pandemic when throughout the entire pandemic (which is what we are talking about) they failed to do so every step of the way. You're starting to sound like an anti vaxer though with your comments on locking down which I have to tell you is not solely the domain of the loony lefties but very much the domain of the extremists on the right (The hardline Tory Kippers). So which one are you? We got a good head start on the vaccines but most of Europe soon caught up and many overtook us I believe. The one thing we got right and the government or its cronies had very little to do with any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-18 6:20 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-18 5:57 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-12 8:43 AM Easy to say that he “spiffed it away to cronies” but whilst all politicians must be held to account for such actions - the fact that the vaccine rollout has been a success such that it now looks like the U.K. will be one of the first countries to move to endemic rather than pandemic has to be recognised. This aged well. 438 deaths today. Just because the Tory party say it is over does not make it so. Yes well - whatever you say - yawn…………. But the reality is that when dealing with a pandemic “Act quickly” is the best option on the table. Whereas what VDL and the EU did was “Act as accountants” Laughable As is your take on where we are now. 438 Coronavirus deaths today. 1,904 deaths in the last 7 days. That’s not freedom that’s negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-14 10:27 AM John52 - 2022-01-14 10:06 AM Gremlin - 2022-01-14 9:20 AM John52 - 2022-01-14 8:58 AM Gremlin - 2022-01-14 8:42 AM John52 - 2022-01-14 8:31 AM Gremlin - 2022-01-14 8:11 AM rates are still at “an all time low”. Not surprising with a BoE of 0.25% - after it being 0.1% for quite some time. You even contradict yourself in your next sentence Send for Dr Shipman ;-) But even at the slightly higher state - they are still at historic lows. And I state again - despite your every desperate need to regain some credibility - Negative Gilt yield in 2020 means that the borrowing made to pay for PPE will require the U.K. government to pay back a smaller sum than the amount borrowed. Thats wrong too actually, because yields were only negative for a very short time, and then only slightly. Most of the money won't have been borrowed at negative yield. But even if it were true, its still got to be paid back. Most people have no conception of the size of the debt Johnson has taken out in their name. Current inflation and pending tax rises don't even scratch the surface. Or what he has spaffed it away on because he keeps scuppering any investigation. Of course it will be paid back - unless the U.K. defaults. Russia did back in 1998, but I really don’t think even Boris is capable mucking things up as bad as that. But you seen to see things in binary terms only. I tried to explain in an earlier post about how even a negative gilt/government bond can provide a positive return for the investor. This is primarily due to the Investor having faith in the underlying currency and that country’s economy. This is a very simplistic example but it should get over the point. A 5 yr bond is issued at -1% - which means that you buy into it at £100 then at maturity in five years time you get back £99 On the face of it, a loss. But if the £ and the underlying U.K. economy performs well such that the buying power of a £ improves by 5% then the investor whilst getting back only £99 - that £99 now has had its buying power enhanced by 5% So the Investors return equates to/is £103.95 Bonds have a positive rate and are auctioned. Rates are quoted annually. Bonds sell for above or below their face value, which determines the actual rate you will get on them. Which may be positive like UK bonds, or negative like German bonds. You don't appear to appreciate some people are effectively forced to buy them, however bad the rate. (Index linked bonds may still sell with a guaranteed loss built in.) If you are a fund manager with £1billion, and £1billion of liabilities due soon - like pension payments, UK bonds are your only option. Anywhere else it would be at risk, however small, of falling seriously below £1 billion Buying bonds is the only way you can be sure of meeting your payments. The fact the £ is worth less is irrelevant, because your payments are due in £, irrespective of the value of the £ Yes - really good points you make. But pension funds that rely on annuity purchase are few and far between now. Government schemes are unfunded “money in, money out” schemes. The NHS, Civil Service scheme benefits are paid out of general taxation. There are few funded Final Salary schemes left now whereby guaranteed benefits require Gilt purchase to secure the funds. And even this is risky because if the annuity population lives longer than the Scheme Actuaries calculation - then that scheme can - and some have - run out of money such that the Company that provides the scheme has to bail the scheme out. Hence the move to Money Purchase where each individual accrues a pot which they own and from which they can take the benefits in pretty much anyway they like. But with Annuity Rates on the floor, who on earth would want to lock into them now? So I think what you say is true - but it has little actual relevance to pension income provision today. Edit to add:- https://www.wrensterling.com/blog/negative-gilt-yields/ I wasn't talking about the Government pension schemes. Incidentally they are not all money in money out - they are just for the plebs - a ponzi scheme that is illegal outside of Government. The schemes for Bank of England staff and MPs are fully funded by investments. They have done very well because they bought bonds for their own pension scheme just before they started pumping up the price for the rest of us. But thats by the way. I was talking about the private pensions that have already been taken out and now have to be paid. Buying UK bonds at a negative rate does not necessarily mean the buyer believes the pound will rise. If the big fund manager needs to store pounds with no risk what can he do? Anybody who does not charge to store cash, let alone pays interest, has to put the cash to work. So they take a risk with it - they have to do. If they took no risk they would have to pay to store the cash and pay to insure it. Storing cash safely costs money. Buying UK bonds at a slightly negative rate is a better option than paying to store and insure a pile of cash. So they may buy bonds at a negative rate even though they believe the pound will fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 malc d - 2022-01-18 10:29 AM Barryd999 - 2022-01-18 10:06 AM pelmetman - 2022-01-18 9:06 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-01-17 7:44 PM But, overall, you're right, I'm a Brexit sceptic. Nevertheless, if the Brexiters eventually manage to present convincing evidence that the UK is doing better than it could have done while in the EU, I shall be happy - assuming I live long enough to see the dawn of that day. That's all they have to do so, as you've now joined them, off you go! Chop, chop! :-D There's no point as you'll still deny it *-) ........... For example.......Has Brexit caused the wage rise for lorry drivers and the hospitality industry etc etc? >:-).......... Off you go!......Chop Chop! (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... its caused a colossal shortage of workers in both thats for sure leading to huge problems in supply of both goods and hospitality. When there are shortages in labour, wages may go up for some people, followed by a price rise for everyone else to cover the extra costs. Even the people who got the pay rises have to pay more. So it's clearly not much of a Brexit " win " for us all.. :-| AND those job shortages were caused by Brexit ;-) ....... Which also caused the wages of the low paid to rise B-) ........ Which also means they are in a much better position to weather the current inflation jump caused by COVID B-) ............ Which is why the Selfish Remoaners have the hump *-) .......... As they hate Brexit Blighty out performing the EU (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-19 7:31 AM Barryd999 - 2022-01-18 9:46 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-18 7:25 PM Barryd999 - 2022-01-18 6:39 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-18 6:20 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-18 5:57 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-12 8:43 AM Easy to say that he “spiffed it away to cronies” but whilst all politicians must be held to account for such actions - the fact that the vaccine rollout has been a success such that it now looks like the U.K. will be one of the first countries to move to endemic rather than pandemic has to be recognised. This aged well. 438 deaths today. Just because the Tory party say it is over does not make it so. Yes well - whatever you say - yawn…………. But the reality is that when dealing with a pandemic “Act quickly” is the best option on the table. Whereas what VDL and the EU did was “Act as accountants” Laughable As is your take on where we are now. Is this a joke post? Serious question. Johnson and the Tories did anything but and that is why 150000+ or whatever it is now are dead. Every time dither and delay, dither and delay, take it on the chin, shake hands, play it down, try and hide the blighty virus until its out of control. Just because the NHS, the vaccine producers and as luck has it some difference between UK and Belgian law meant we finally got people jabbed quickly does not detract from the horrendous handling of the pandemic before that. Just imagine what the death toll would have been with Johnson in charge if the vaccine producers and NHS had not saved us. Had they acted quickly and decisively from day one and played our island status to our advantage with much stricter and faster border control we could have been nearer to the figures of Australia or Japan than actually running the worse death rate in the world on several occasions. Act quickly!! (lol) You miss understand- which is not surprising as you excel at it even when given half a chance to get things right. We are not talking about “Lockdowm”. - that panacea of the idiot left where the whole population is forced to live in a cupboard under the stairs like some perverse copy of Harry Potter. Lockdown did enormous damage to the economy. But the idiological left such as you would like to have used Covid as an excuse to destroy the economy of the U.K. by “Locking it up/ Locking it down. Thankfully wiser heads prevailed and what was done quickly was vaccine procurement, vaccine roll out and vaccine delivery. What our government did was put up the cash and agree to supply a damn good vaccine at cost to the world. What VDL and the muppets of the EU did was to delay whilst trying to drive down cost. As I say - we acted quickly to secure vaccine VDL and the EU phaffed about trying to get vaccines on the cheap. I do not misunderstand at all, you do it seems. I simply found it absurd that you claimed the government / Johnson acted quickly as thats what you do in a pandemic when throughout the entire pandemic (which is what we are talking about) they failed to do so every step of the way. You're starting to sound like an anti vaxer though with your comments on locking down which I have to tell you is not solely the domain of the loony lefties but very much the domain of the extremists on the right (The hardline Tory Kippers). So which one are you? We got a good head start on the vaccines but most of Europe soon caught up and many overtook us I believe. The one thing we got right and the government or its cronies had very little to do with any of it. You really are a joke! “You're starting to sound like an anti vaxer ……”. You are now plumbing the depths of silliness if a comment about lockdown doing damage to the economy (which it most certainly has - however necessary lockdown was) equates in your bizarre mind to my becoming an “Anti-vaxer”. You are contemptible. You jump to conclusions, any crazy conclusion, however crazy - to try to justify your political slant. Throwing out false accusations because someone dares to state something that does not fit with your version of “reality”. Well done - I had little respect for you and your false accusation Ad homs - now I have none at all. You have no morals. Im not the one who voted for Boris Johnson! (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 It is strange, is it not, how certain people with strongly held views and presumed superiority of intellect, cannot entertain the possibility that their views are not shared by everyone, or even, horror of horrors, may, actually, be wrong? It is even stranger how those same people, when challenged by counter argument, turn first to wild hyperbole, and then to ad hominem, and finally to petulant insults as they throw their toys out of their play-pen? At which point, of course, the only person who cannot see that they have by now completely lost both the plot and their dignity, is themselves. If you can't stomach challenging debate, stay in your own comfort zone and don't engage. But above all, don't assume that you have all the answers and that everyone else is a shallow, self serving, fool It soon becomes clear to everyone else where you stand, and whether your abilities justify your self-perception! Just sayin' :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-19 9:10 AM Barryd999 - 2022-01-19 9:07 AM Gremlin - 2022-01-19 7:31 AM Barryd999 - 2022-01-18 9:46 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-18 7:25 PM Barryd999 - 2022-01-18 6:39 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-18 6:20 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-18 5:57 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-12 8:43 AM Easy to say that he “spiffed it away to cronies” but whilst all politicians must be held to account for such actions - the fact that the vaccine rollout has been a success such that it now looks like the U.K. will be one of the first countries to move to endemic rather than pandemic has to be recognised. This aged well. 438 deaths today. Just because the Tory party say it is over does not make it so. Yes well - whatever you say - yawn…………. But the reality is that when dealing with a pandemic “Act quickly” is the best option on the table. Whereas what VDL and the EU did was “Act as accountants” Laughable As is your take on where we are now. Is this a joke post? Serious question. Johnson and the Tories did anything but and that is why 150000+ or whatever it is now are dead. Every time dither and delay, dither and delay, take it on the chin, shake hands, play it down, try and hide the blighty virus until its out of control. Just because the NHS, the vaccine producers and as luck has it some difference between UK and Belgian law meant we finally got people jabbed quickly does not detract from the horrendous handling of the pandemic before that. Just imagine what the death toll would have been with Johnson in charge if the vaccine producers and NHS had not saved us. Had they acted quickly and decisively from day one and played our island status to our advantage with much stricter and faster border control we could have been nearer to the figures of Australia or Japan than actually running the worse death rate in the world on several occasions. Act quickly!! (lol) You miss understand- which is not surprising as you excel at it even when given half a chance to get things right. We are not talking about “Lockdowm”. - that panacea of the idiot left where the whole population is forced to live in a cupboard under the stairs like some perverse copy of Harry Potter. Lockdown did enormous damage to the economy. But the idiological left such as you would like to have used Covid as an excuse to destroy the economy of the U.K. by “Locking it up/ Locking it down. Thankfully wiser heads prevailed and what was done quickly was vaccine procurement, vaccine roll out and vaccine delivery. What our government did was put up the cash and agree to supply a damn good vaccine at cost to the world. What VDL and the muppets of the EU did was to delay whilst trying to drive down cost. As I say - we acted quickly to secure vaccine VDL and the EU phaffed about trying to get vaccines on the cheap. I do not misunderstand at all, you do it seems. I simply found it absurd that you claimed the government / Johnson acted quickly as thats what you do in a pandemic when throughout the entire pandemic (which is what we are talking about) they failed to do so every step of the way. You're starting to sound like an anti vaxer though with your comments on locking down which I have to tell you is not solely the domain of the loony lefties but very much the domain of the extremists on the right (The hardline Tory Kippers). So which one are you? We got a good head start on the vaccines but most of Europe soon caught up and many overtook us I believe. The one thing we got right and the government or its cronies had very little to do with any of it. You really are a joke! “You're starting to sound like an anti vaxer ……”. You are now plumbing the depths of silliness if a comment about lockdown doing damage to the economy (which it most certainly has - however necessary lockdown was) equates in your bizarre mind to my becoming an “Anti-vaxer”. You are contemptible. You jump to conclusions, any crazy conclusion, however crazy - to try to justify your political slant. Throwing out false accusations because someone dares to state something that does not fit with your version of “reality”. Well done - I had little respect for you and your false accusation Ad homs - now I have none at all. You have no morals. Im not the one who voted for Boris Johnson! (lol) Well at least we have that in common Yeah, sure we do. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I'm confused? You didn't vote for the conservatives? Your disdain for the Lib Dems is documented. Your views on Corbyn likewise. So Brexit Party or Monster Raving Loony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-19 1:00 PM I'm confused? You didn't vote for the conservatives? Your disdain for the Lib Dems is documented. Your views on Corbyn likewise. So Brexit Party or Monster Raving Loony? LOL! Me confused too!! Cant have been the Brexit party, he was a tree hugging remainer remember. (lol) Im going with Monster Raving Loony party. What was that party that Dolphin was from that beat Farage that time? Maybe that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Brian Kirby - 2022-01-19 11:53 AM It is strange, is it not, how certain people with strongly held views and presumed superiority of intellect, cannot entertain the possibility that their views are not shared by everyone, or even, horror of horrors, may, actually, be wrong? Oooo Brian does irony :D ....... Or does he not realise how ironic that statement is coming from a Remoaner? *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-01-20 9:35 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-01-19 11:53 AM It is strange, is it not, how certain people with strongly held views and presumed superiority of intellect, cannot entertain the possibility that their views are not shared by everyone, or even, horror of horrors, may, actually, be wrong? Oooo Brian does irony :D ....... Or does he not realise how ironic that statement is coming from a Remoaner? *-) ....... If the cap fits, Dave? (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Brian Kirby - 2022-01-20 12:53 PM pelmetman - 2022-01-20 9:35 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-01-19 11:53 AM It is strange, is it not, how certain people with strongly held views and presumed superiority of intellect, cannot entertain the possibility that their views are not shared by everyone, or even, horror of horrors, may, actually, be wrong? Oooo Brian does irony :D ....... Or does he not realise how ironic that statement is coming from a Remoaner? *-) ....... If the cap fits, Dave? (lol) (lol) What kinda cap would you like? ;-) ......... As I'm happy to get my crayons out again :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-20 7:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-19 1:00 PM I'm confused? You didn't vote for the conservatives? Your disdain for the Lib Dems is documented. Your views on Corbyn likewise. So Brexit Party or Monster Raving Loony? Non of the above I vote for whatever Independent candidate stands for what he/she (and usually I) believe in. Often a wasted vote I grant you. As tribal voting is the norm. But oddly, we all now deal with a situation whereby a desperate desire for change by those (not definitively) on the “ red wall” changed their voting habits of a lifetime and took a chance. My point is that if all the alternatives are the likes of a buffoon like Boris - then for goodness sake - what could be achieved if people stoped tribal voting and voted for Independent candidates who act independently of any overpowering whips. It’s all over the news today - how party’s use the Whips to bully MP’s into line. Imagine having a block of true independent MP’s able to vote as they see fit - only accountable to their constituents. Do you support some form of PR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-01-20 8:03 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-20 7:52 PM Gremlin - 2022-01-20 7:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-01-19 1:00 PM I'm confused? You didn't vote for the conservatives? Your disdain for the Lib Dems is documented. Your views on Corbyn likewise. So Brexit Party or Monster Raving Loony? Non of the above I vote for whatever Independent candidate stands for what he/she (and usually I) believe in. Often a wasted vote I grant you. As tribal voting is the norm. But oddly, we all now deal with a situation whereby a desperate desire for change by those (not definitively) on the “ red wall” changed their voting habits of a lifetime and took a chance. My point is that if all the alternatives are the likes of a buffoon like Boris - then for goodness sake - what could be achieved if people stoped tribal voting and voted for Independent candidates who act independently of any overpowering whips. It’s all over the news today - how party’s use the Whips to bully MP’s into line. Imagine having a block of true independent MP’s able to vote as they see fit - only accountable to their constituents. Do you support some form of PR? Interesting question. Yes - on the face of it I do. However - the horse trading that goes on with the resulting virtually unworkable coalitions that exist in the EU (where else!??) - I am, in my old age having second thoughts. I think a new idea of people voting for Local Independent candidates and able to remove them if they wish such that THEIR representative must represent constituent interests. The more I see it the more I believe the Whipping system that applies to our MP’s of whatever party is the exact opposite of the democracy that we deserve. Pie in the sky? Most likely But what do YOU dream of with such a broken system? You two only think its broken ;-) ........ Which is because you both lost the referendum :-| ...... PR is the worst sort of democray *-) ....... It at best in a perfect world allows a bunch of liberal lefties to bitch and do nothing to alter the status quo 8-) .......... Where as with the FPP system the government can make effective decisions that can alter the course of events as has happened with the pandemic B-) ....... What you two seek is a unsavoury Pie......how ever you try to flavour it......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-01-20 8:38 PM ................................ Where as with the FPP system the government can make effective decisions that can alter the course of events as has happened with the pandemic B-) ............. And of course, you'll sing the same tune if there is a change of government, won't you? (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-01-20 7:25 PM Brian Kirby - 2022-01-20 12:53 PM pelmetman - 2022-01-20 9:35 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-01-19 11:53 AM It is strange, is it not, how certain people with strongly held views and presumed superiority of intellect, cannot entertain the possibility that their views are not shared by everyone, or even, horror of horrors, may, actually, be wrong? Oooo Brian does irony :D ....... Or does he not realise how ironic that statement is coming from a Remoaner? *-) ....... If the cap fits, Dave? (lol) (lol) What kinda cap would you like? ;-) ......... As I'm happy to get my crayons out again :D ......... Just sayin' Dave, just sayin'. (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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