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hi,

 

This is my first post here, so be nice ;-)

 

 

I have a new euramobil 622sb motorhome (first proper motorhome), which is 'fully winterised'. Only thing i see wrong is the grey waste tank is on the outside, not insulated or heated.

 

Will it not just freeze up? and if so, how can it be avoided.

 

Planning to go to seefeld, austria in January to watch some skiing events

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Pour some antifreeze down the sink. It's only the grey waste so contamination is not a problem, and antifreeze is not specially nasty or corrosive.

 

Have never tried it, but in theory it should work. If you are concerned about using automotive antifreeze, it's possible to get potable antifreeze, but I expect it's a lot more expensive.

 

I wonder . . . . don't see why it shouldn't work?

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Bazza454 - 2007-08-15 10:14 PM

Hi, Welcome,

Buy a waste water container similar to the ones the caravanners use, then place this under your waste pipe and leave the waste valve open.

With respect, this isn't the answer that I would have wanted as it's a pain having to carry an large Aquawaste container and anyway, won't that freeze up just the same?

The obvious solution must be to insulate his built-in waste tank.

Anybody any ideas?

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Michele - you beat me to it by a whisker. I was writing my reply and found yours when I posted.

 

Great minds or what!!

 

I agree with Prof too - a separate tank on the ground would probably freeze quicker than one hung under a van and therefore sheltered to some extent. Maybe some insulation and a drop of antifreeze.

 

Interesting!

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Mine froze up once, but only to a dirty icy slush, bit like one of these slush puppy drinks, just came sloshing out when emptied so afterwards chucked in some salt rinsing it out of basin well. Does not seem to have harmed the valve at all which has a stainless steel rod for the shutter valve and did not freeze again following night at minus 10 deg.
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The best solution in my opinion is to insulate the tank and install a heating element. The heating element could operate from the 12V battery. The heating does not need to be so powerful with a good insulation. So it does not drain your battery. It ensures that the tank does not freeze up when it gets really cold.

 

That's a common setup retrofitted to many motor homes in Scandinavia. The caravan dealers ask about 200 euros for the solution here in Finland.

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Hi

 

I have a 12v heater in my tank which works.

 

In feb this year we had temperatures down to minus 12c for a week and it worked fine for the 7 days we stayed on site

 

We did most of "washing up" in the site facilities so i would not have to keep moving the van to dump the water

 

I did try leaving vent open into an open bucket (the theory being that when the bucken freezes you can just dump the ice as a block) however it ended up like a frozen waterfall! luckily i parked with that side in the sun so it defrosted during the middle of the day - i used tghe heater after that with no problems.

 

Peter

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handyman - 2007-08-15 9:35 PM

I have a new euramobil 622sb motorhome (first proper motorhome), which is 'fully winterised'. Only thing i see wrong is the grey waste tank is on the outside, not insulated or heated.

 

Will it not just freeze up? and if so, how can it be avoided.

 

B-) We had no problems with our old 1988 Coachmen Classic in Bavaria:-

 

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so, does anyone know where to get a heater element / insulation for tank?

 

The only one i cant see working very well is the anti freeze. Halfords sell stuff that works to -10, but its not to be watered down. Even if you put the full 5 litre tub in, that would be watered down 20 times in a 100L tank.

 

 

Thanks for the replys so far, much appreciated

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handyman - 2007-08-16 12:15 PM

 

so, does anyone know where to get a heater element / insulation for tank?

 

The only one i cant see working very well is the anti freeze. Halfords sell stuff that works to -10, but its not to be watered down. Even if you put the full 5 litre tub in, that would be watered down 20 times in a 100L tank.

 

 

Thanks for the replys so far, much appreciated

 

Try CAK tanks, they do all that is required to winterise fresh and waste tanks and pipework.

 

Bas

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"Try CAK tanks, they do all that is required to winterise fresh and waste tanks and pipework".

 

Indeed, CAK will provide both insulation materials and a 12v thermostatically switched element for waste and fresh tanks. See www.caktanks.co.uk for download of their invaluable catalogue. I'm not entirely sure I'd like to heat a *waste* tank that way, however.

 

Alternatively, if you don't want to carry a wastemaster, how about the ubiquitous (square) bucket to leave under the open waste tap. It can be filled with 'stuff' whilst travelling, and is easier to get ice out of (should it freeze up) than a closed auxiliary tank.

 

I once had an underslung fresh water tank frozen solid on an autosleeper for three days, and it was a devil to thaw out!

 

(Incidentally, whilst I don't question your original post, the Euramobil website implies the current version of your van has a winterised waste tank!)

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I doubt if tank insulation would be a solution on its own, though if it will stick to the plastic (no idea without trying it) the spray on foam sounds like a good way of actually doing the job.

 

The drawback with insulation is that it will not prevent freezing. It just slows the process down, and has exactly the same, but this time unwanted effect on thawing when the temperature rises.

 

A well insulated tank with a small heater inside sounds like a workable solution, but I'm almost ashamed to admit that I'm waiting for someone else to find the definitive answer so I can pinch their idea. How do you keep the pipework from freezing though? Not much point in having a nice warm tank if all the pipes are frozen solid.

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with this van being (not quite) a fully winterized van, all the pipework runs in a void between the underside and the floor inside, which is heated. The fresh water is also within the living area.

 

Yes, it looks like insulate plus heater is the answer..............yet more wiring to do 8-) .................you never get a van exactly what you want, sockets in the correct position etc :'(

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Suggest you use a bucket instead of the caravan type containers. If the bucket freezes at least you stand a chance of emptying it even if the water comes out looking like a giant ice lolly.

Enclosed containers would take a long time to thaw and pour.

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