howie Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Latest thinking advocates the legalising of "street" drugs and other recreactional substances, with those addicted placed on a registrar where they are prescribed drugs at a fraction of the cost they now pay dealers. The logic here is that this will eliminate for the most part the current crime wave related to drug trafficking where robberies, personal attacks and any other ways of raising money for their next fix is now commonplace. The police seem to be losing the battle to contain drug offences. Does this approach to the problem have its merits, or are we simply throwing in the towel and taking the easy way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Howie , This wont work either they will take that on a script and more off the dealers still mugging robbing waste of time if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 michele - 2007-10-15 6:42 PM Howie , This wont work either they will take that on a script and more off the dealers still mugging robbing waste of time if you ask me.Mixed feelings on this Michele. Anything that can reduce or take away the misery caused to the innocent victims of these crimes should be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 But Howie this isnt new they have been doing this for years now. Junkie gos to Doctors and gets his methadone for free and still flogs it and swops it for something else or more . Still commits crime. Nothing new old stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 But this is a completely new approach where these drugs are all legalised. With all their needs catered for on prescription we do away with drug dealers and all the crime associated with them and their activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Several years ago there was a 'rehabilitation' centre at the hospital where Cherry works. Drug abusers would come in for a twice weekly prescription, (free to them, of course!) of Methedone which was supposed to help them 'come off' Heroin. My wife can relate of abusers knocking it back in one go rather than taking the recommended dosage over a preiod of days. They would then go out shoplifting or whatever in order to get cash for illegal fixes. The same problem was had by the police when a prisoner was in custody and on Methedone, we would only allow them to have the prescribed dosage at the correct time interval. This, of course, did not make for a happy prisoner!! I feel that the only course is to make all drugs, (not caffine , alcohol and nicotine of course as I never 'nicked' anyone on a robbery charge to buy tobacco!!) illegal and to punish offenders severly. I have, I know, a reputation of being somewhat to the right of Gengis Khan when it comes to punishments but as I said on another thread recently you must mafe it sever to be effective. Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Howie , You will also get the situation where they go get it free collect it and still sell it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Sell it whom. If all users are given the drugs they need then there,s no market. Bit over the top?, then consider the cost we now pay under the current circumstances in both financial and human misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I recommend Ben Elton's novel "High Society," which pictures this idea being proposed by an MP and gathering support. The various characters between them put both sides of the argument very well, in a way which really makes you think about it. Not sure yet what my own conclusion is though. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 As nothing else has worked and the government already has a ready supply of seized drugs it has to be worth a try surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo3090 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 There was a documentary on the Mafia recently on Sky. They were being infiltrated by a FBI agent who taped conversations between "Family Bosses". One of them was telling telling the others that his family didn't fear the proposals on drug legalisation as they wouldn't allow the politicians in their pockets to vote for it. They were not that concerned about the army getting involved in drug erradication in Venezuela either, because they owned it! When one of them asked "what, you own the army?" The reply was "No Venezuela!" The amounts of money involved in drug trafficking and dealing around the world far outweighs the money farmers and transporters can make from legal goods. Just look at Afganistan, White Poppies are the largest crop grown in the country, and that includes food. I don't know what the answer is but when the people running the job can own countries it is going to be an uphill battle what ever is decided. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Unless the countries that take these harvests work to eradicate use in which case the laws of supply and demand will apply and they will either grow another crop or export their misery somewhere else not in my back garden. Meanwhile the best way to get illegal drugs users off illegal drugs is to de criminalise the use of legally supplied and safe from contamination drugs? Who knows if we don't try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Am I missing something here - why can't the crops be sprayed to kill them before they can be processed. Surely in this age of germ-warfare it would be possible to find a herbicide that didn't kill people or taint their drinking water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Unless the governments of the countries involved specifically ask for this sort of intervention it would be seen as an act of war and I don't know of any civilised country that would participate in an illegal act of war - do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Aren't we already in Afghanistan? Is their government dependent on the revenue from the opium poppies grown there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parke Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Tracker - 2007-10-15 8:06 PM Unless the governments of the countries involved specifically ask for this sort of intervention it would be seen as an act of war and I don't know of any civilised country that would participate in an illegal act of war - do you? How about the U.K. and the U.S.A. by being in Iraq. That was an illegal was so it follows therefore that all act dealing with it are illegal. I doubt though that Brother Blair would see it that way nor G. Dubya!! Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I meant civilised countries Mike with civilised non egotistical governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Bring on Hilary Clinton - we'll see a change then! *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 J9withdogs - 2007-10-15 8:46 PM Bring on Hilary Clinton - we'll see a change then! *-) You really do have to be joking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I understood the problem is that too many people in Afghanistan rely on their poppy crop to earn a living / feed their families. If the crops were destroyed, who would feed the people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Errmm - yes? *-) (To the Hilary Clinton question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 malc d - 2007-10-15 8:48 PM I understood the problem is that too many people in Afghanistan rely on their poppy crop to earn a living / feed their families. If the crops were destroyed, who would feed the people ? Bit of a Catch 22 situation, isn't it? They die - or our kids die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Tracker - 2007-10-15 8:45 PM I meant civilised countries Mike with civilised non egotistical governments?Care to name one Tracker? 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Maybe the best way to stop people to stop taking drugs is to make them compulsory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 peter - 2007-10-15 8:51 PM Tracker - 2007-10-15 8:45 PM I meant civilised countries Mike with civilised non egotistical governments?Care to name one Tracker? 8-) Germany - Spain and quite a few other European countries seem to be getting along in the world just fine without getting up the noses of half the world in order to ingratiate themselves with the big bad wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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