antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 You'd think given the pigs ear the Government is making of Brexit ... Ms Rudds resignation ... The doom and gloom from the left wing press ... Windrush , that nobody seems to that Liebour would have stormed it last night wouldnt ya ??? ... Chuckle ... Bet a lot of Jewish folk feel a lot safer though today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 If those Jews happen to be £billionaires domiciled in Tax Havens then yes I guess they will feel their money is safer today. People like you who don't know what Corbyn's policies are won't vote for them will they? They still believe the sh*te they read in the £billionaire Tax Haven owned Tory press pretending whats good for them is good for the rest of us *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 John52 - 2018-05-04 7:24 AM If those Jews happen to be £billionaires domiciled in Tax Havens then yes I guess they will feel their money is safer today. People like you who don't know what Corbyn's policies are won't vote for them will they? They still believe the sh*te they read in the £billionaire Tax Haven owned Tory press pretending whats good for them is good for the rest of us *-) Somethings never change ... Blaming the press for another miserable performance ... Not even 8.00am and the blame games started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Looks like Momentum has lost momentum (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. Baaaaa Humbug (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? You can always rely on Remoaner's to feel superior about their knowledge of what will happen because of Brexit Antony ;-) .......... Despite all the contradictory evidence to their "So" called experts warnings (lol) ......... Looks like its going to be a excellent weekend, Britains booming, Corbyn's a has been and they're forecasting a scorchio bank holiday.......time to light up the bbq to celebrate B-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-04 11:26 AM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? You can always rely on Remoaner's to feel superior about their knowledge of what will happen because of Brexit Antony ;-) .......... Despite all the contradictory evidence to their "So" called experts warnings (lol) ......... Looks like its going to be a excellent weekend, Britains booming, Corbyn's a has been and they're forecasting a scorchio bank holiday.......time to light up the bbq to celebrate B-) ........... Steven Gerrard to Rangers also !!! ... Barrys forecast of a Labour Government before Brexit next March looks a little wobbly ... Didn't he say they could put a monkey in charge and they'd be in power ??? ... Beats me why all the Remoaner whinge bags dont vote Liberal ... A natural home for 16 million wets you'd think ... Wonder when it'll hit Barry that practically everything he says is twaddle including his rock God status and supposed success with the chicks ... Have a drink Barrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. The pro Tory and anti Brexit press has a massive influence of course it does. The Government should have realised that when they called a referendum as the Mail etc has been drip feeding the people anti EU tripe for decades. If most rabid Brexiteers took a step back and asked themselves how did they decide they were anti EU, how did they evolve their opinions I doubt for many it will be as a direct result of anything tangible the EU has done to them or the area in which they live. IT will be for most opinions that have been evolved from reading sh1te in the Mail or Brexpress. Its the same with Labour. It will always be an uphill struggle for them but these council elections dont matter much as they are slowly going to gain power and in the near future will be running the country. I stand by what I Said, Brexit will finish the Tories. However you might want to hope that Labour do romp to victory and they do get a better result than yesterday otherwise it will be a coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP who will batter Labour into retaining the single market and customs union or offering up a second referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM Its the same with Labour. It will always be an uphill struggle for them but these council elections dont matter much as they are slowly going to gain power and in the near future will be running the country. I stand by what I Said, Brexit will finish the Tories. However you might want to hope that Labour do romp to victory and they do get a better result than yesterday otherwise it will be a coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP who will batter Labour into retaining the single market and customs union or offering up a second referendum. Point of order Barry ;-) ....... When's the next election?.......4 years time.........When do we leave the EU in 329 days :D .......... https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. Really based on what info Barry? ;-) .......... Oh another OECD prediction (lol) ......... https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/jan/08/economic-forecasts-hardwired-get-things-wrong :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. ..................... Which Antony sees as "blaming" the press. I think "blame" is an oversimplification, but there is a distinct right wing bias to the UK press at almost every level, most obvious among the tabloids which have by far the largest circulation figures. This is widely recognised both in UK and elsewhere. For circulation figures see here: http://tinyurl.com/jfs6z25 Scroll down a bit for the table of circulation figures and titles. For political leanings see here: http://tinyurl.com/h9ut8ks Comment as above for table of titles and political leaning. Whether this reflects what people want to buy, and hence an overall political bias across the whole population; reflects their aspirations - or how they want others to se them; or merely what is most commonly available, is another matter. But, it seems reasonable that if people are fed information that is presented from a politically biased - albeit only slightly (i.e. "left of centre", or "right of centre"), standpoint, it seems reasonable that they will, gradually, come to see that standpoint as "normal", rather than biased. This will condition them to be less questioning of what they read, and to adopt similar attitudes for themselves. Humans are very adaptable, and adjust their thinking to suit those they admire or regard as their peers. So, to me, if a nation's press is generally politically biased in a particular direction, it is likely that a significant segment of the population will become more right wing in their thinking. This will continue until some event, or series of events, causes sufficient of them to begin questioning the values they have adapted to follow. Then, we see alternative governments come to power. :-) Brexit is a political anomaly because it crosses political persuasions - both main parties are split. Corbyn is political Marmite. He is the only realistic alternative to May, whose government is well into beta minus territory, but he remains, at least to me, profoundly unconvincing as a potential alternative PM. So, where might one vote? For a chaotic government of the right, a probably even more chaotic government of the left, or for a party that has little chance of becoming a government, but has some chance of tempering the extremes if it can get enough MPs elected? On present showings, I'm firmly in the last camp, and will vote for any good candidate who is "neither of the above", and has any chance whatever of gathering enough votes to get elected. I'd like a hung parliament where a centre party injects sense into the stupefying left/right dogma by rejecting the failing extremes, in the interests of the country. Not a coalition, just support for whoever has the best ideas on an issue by issue basis. That way parliament can do what it is supposed to do - which is to tell the executive to go forth and execute parliament's will. Won't happen, though, will it? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-04 1:12 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. ..................... Which Antony sees as "blaming" the press. I think "blame" is an oversimplification, but there is a distinct right wing bias to the UK press at almost every level, most obvious among the tabloids which have by far the largest circulation figures. This is widely recognised both in UK and elsewhere. For circulation figures see here: http://tinyurl.com/jfs6z25 Scroll down a bit for the table of circulation figures and titles. For political leanings see here: http://tinyurl.com/h9ut8ks Comment as above for table of titles and political leaning. Whether this reflects what people want to buy, and hence an overall political bias across the whole population; reflects their aspirations - or how they want others to se them; or merely what is most commonly available, is another matter. But, it seems reasonable that if people are fed information that is presented from a politically biased - albeit only slightly (i.e. "left of centre", or "right of centre"), standpoint, it seems reasonable that they will, gradually, come to see that standpoint as "normal", rather than biased. This will condition them to be less questioning of what they read, and to adopt similar attitudes for themselves. Humans are very adaptable, and adjust their thinking to suit those they admire or regard as their peers. So, to me, if a nation's press is generally politically biased in a particular direction, it is likely that a significant segment of the population will become more right wing in their thinking. This will continue until some event, or series of events, causes sufficient of them to begin questioning the values they have adapted to follow. Then, we see alternative governments come to power. :-) Brexit is a political anomaly because it crosses political persuasions - both main parties are split. Corbyn is political Marmite. He is the only realistic alternative to May, whose government is well into beta minus territory, but he remains, at least to me, profoundly unconvincing as a potential alternative PM. So, where might one vote? For a chaotic government of the right, a probably even more chaotic government of the left, or for a party that has little chance of becoming a government, but has some chance of tempering the extremes if it can get enough MPs elected? On present showings, I'm firmly in the last camp, and will vote for any good candidate who is "neither of the above", and has any chance whatever of gathering enough votes to get elected. I'd like a hung parliament where a centre party injects sense into the stupefying left/right dogma by rejecting the failing extremes, in the interests of the country. Not a coalition, just support for whoever has the best ideas on an issue by issue basis. That way parliament can do what it is supposed to do - which is to tell the executive to go forth and execute parliament's will. Won't happen, though, will it? :-( Interesting to see the figures on those links and the part i highlighted, i agree entirely with and doesn't surprise me at all. Just taking The Sun as perhaps the best example, though obviously not the only one, i remember when it was always considered the 'preferred read' of the working class. By that i mean manual labourers, often unskilled whose families were traditional Labour voters. It would often be seen under the arms of the cloth cap workers. The suits, or 'shiny arses' as they are known around here, of office workers in mid level management wouldn't be seen dead carrying a copy of such an awful 'socialist' rag though they'd leer and salivate over some page 3 dolly bird when nobody in the office was looking! So what better way for the right wing to infiltrate the minds of the left by gradual drip feeding of xenophobic bile they've now become known for. And with some mindsets its certainly worked. 'Aspirations'....'how they want others to see them'.....that's all part of the plan. Feed 'em the bile and tripe long enough and they soak it up like a sponge to the point you mentioned about it 'conditioning them to be less questioning of what they read, and to adopt similar attitudes for themselves.' The only example i can think of where the Sun experienced a backlash from what would previously have been considered 'traditional readership' was by Liverpool over the reporting of Hillsborough. A wake up call where they suddenly realised a paper they'd naively considered favourable to them for years, now showing it's true colours by spouting lies, myths and misinformation. According to the Liverpool Echo that boycott of the Sun still stands today.....and for good reason. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/lfc-finally-bans-sn-history-12589119 Media indulges a propaganda war. Some people will search out the truth whilst others do their utmost to either distort it or suppress it....the recent HoC vote on Windrush documents being a good example of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-04 12:54 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. Really based on what info Barry? ;-) .......... Oh another OECD prediction (lol) ......... https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/jan/08/economic-forecasts-hardwired-get-things-wrong :D ......... Whats the point of that link? Its just a blog, some bloke spouting hot air whilst its a FACT That before Brexit we were top of the G7 and now we are at the bottom. There has been a worldwide economic boom since Brexit which is why a lot of the forecasts were not as gloomy as predicted but that just makes it worse as everyone else has faired much better than us. As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 2:30 PM As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. Is that likely now that Mrs May has us Ukippers back on board? :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-04 1:12 PM I'd like a hung parliament where a centre party injects sense into the stupefying left/right dogma by rejecting the failing extremes, in the interests of the country. Not a coalition, just support for whoever has the best ideas on an issue by issue basis. That way parliament can do what it is supposed to do - which is to tell the executive to go forth and execute parliament's will. Won't happen, though, will it? :-( Hopefully not ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 2:30 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-04 12:54 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. Really based on what info Barry? ;-) .......... Oh another OECD prediction (lol) ......... https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/jan/08/economic-forecasts-hardwired-get-things-wrong :D ......... Whats the point of that link? Its just a blog, some bloke spouting hot air whilst its a FACT That before Brexit we were top of the G7 and now we are at the bottom. There has been a worldwide economic boom since Brexit which is why a lot of the forecasts were not as gloomy as predicted but that just makes it worse as everyone else has faired much better than us. As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. "Nobody knows" ... No way ... You saying you don't know ... Rub your ball again it normally tells us whats guna happen after Brexit with absolute certainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-04 2:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-04 1:12 PM I'd like a hung parliament where a centre party injects sense into the stupefying left/right dogma by rejecting the failing extremes, in the interests of the country. Not a coalition, just support for whoever has the best ideas on an issue by issue basis. That way parliament can do what it is supposed to do - which is to tell the executive to go forth and execute parliament's will. Won't happen, though, will it? :-( Hopefully not ;-) .......... Ye thank Christ that piffle ain't guna happen ... Sure Brian predicted a bit of a slaughter for the Tories at the locals ... The wets are in a tizz today aren't they ... Makes for good viewing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 2:30 PM................Whats the point of that link? Its just a blog, some bloke spouting hot air whilst its a FACT That before Brexit we were top of the G7 and now we are at the bottom. There has been a worldwide economic boom since Brexit which is why a lot of the forecasts were not as gloomy as predicted but that just makes it worse as everyone else has faired much better than us. As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. Interesting interactive chart here: http://tinyurl.com/y9xbosl6 Have a play. UK was doing fairly well until about mid 2014 - see here: http://tinyurl.com/y9rq4535 (another interactive chart it is worth playing around with). Set the start date to june 2016 (referendum) and the end date to today and then select trend to see the general direction of travel since the referendum. It's hardly surprising, since the referendum result means that no-one can forecast future growth until the shape of the deal with the EU is clear. Even then, it is likely that forecasters will hedge until they see how the UK economy responds during the transition period, and will probably hedge some more until after the transition period and they can begin to see if the Brexit medicine works or not. With this level of uncertainty it is likely that investment will continue to be sluggish, which will restrict economic and productivity recovery, if it comes. In the meantime, we have slipped to the bottom of the OECD G7 growth chart, so we aren't starting from a good place. We already inhabit a country in which a person on average pay struggles to get, and afford, decent housing. Pay levels have stagnated for years, while costs rise faster, so disposable incomes are falling - only being propped up by mounting personal debt. We import more than we sell (been there for years). We have an unhealthily large services sector which a) employs relatively few while b) it turns on a sixpence if the economy slows. Too much of our economy is in too few hands. Those doing well are doing very well, but most of the rest of the population is in "just about managing" territory. We have no economic "fat" on which to ride out a recession. If the present decline - look at the retail sector - continues, I think we're in for a very hard landing. We're on the approach already, and we presently don't have the fuel to make the runway! Fasten your seatbelts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-04 4:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-04 2:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-04 1:12 PM I'd like a hung parliament where a centre party injects sense into the stupefying left/right dogma by rejecting the failing extremes, in the interests of the country. Not a coalition, just support for whoever has the best ideas on an issue by issue basis. That way parliament can do what it is supposed to do - which is to tell the executive to go forth and execute parliament's will. Won't happen, though, will it? :-( Hopefully not ;-) .......... Ye thank Christ that piffle ain't guna happen ... ................... Not a crystal ball, surely, Antony? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-04 4:34 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 2:30 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-04 12:54 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. Really based on what info Barry? ;-) .......... Oh another OECD prediction (lol) ......... https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/jan/08/economic-forecasts-hardwired-get-things-wrong :D ......... Whats the point of that link? Its just a blog, some bloke spouting hot air whilst its a FACT That before Brexit we were top of the G7 and now we are at the bottom. There has been a worldwide economic boom since Brexit which is why a lot of the forecasts were not as gloomy as predicted but that just makes it worse as everyone else has faired much better than us. As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. "Nobody knows" ... No way ... You saying you don't know ... Rub your ball again it normally tells us whats guna happen after Brexit with absolute certainty The only thing I am certain of is that Brexit will be a disaster and that the Tory party will be finished as a result. As to when it will all come crashing down I dunno. Nobody knows what will happen over the coming months, years. There could be a public vote on the final deal / second referendum, doubtful but who knows and Brexit may never happen. This could actually save the Tories ironically although I doubt it as they will probably split themselves in half if that happens. Im not sure Dave thinking having the UKIPPERS on board is a good thing either. The last thing that party needs is more extreme right wingers, thats bound to turn even more people off them. It has me for one thing and I always voted Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 5:21 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 4:34 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 2:30 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-04 12:54 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. Really based on what info Barry? ;-) .......... Oh another OECD prediction (lol) ......... https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/jan/08/economic-forecasts-hardwired-get-things-wrong :D ......... Whats the point of that link? Its just a blog, some bloke spouting hot air whilst its a FACT That before Brexit we were top of the G7 and now we are at the bottom. There has been a worldwide economic boom since Brexit which is why a lot of the forecasts were not as gloomy as predicted but that just makes it worse as everyone else has faired much better than us. As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. "Nobody knows" ... No way ... You saying you don't know ... Rub your ball again it normally tells us whats guna happen after Brexit with absolute certainty The only thing I am certain of is that Brexit will be a disaster and that the Tory party will be finished as a result. As to when it will all come crashing down I dunno. Nobody knows what will happen over the coming months, years. There could be a public vote on the final deal / second referendum, doubtful but who knows and Brexit may never happen. This could actually save the Tories ironically although I doubt it as they will probably split themselves in half if that happens. Im not sure Dave thinking having the UKIPPERS on board is a good thing either. The last thing that party needs is more extreme right wingers, thats bound to turn even more people off them. It has me for one thing and I always voted Tory. UKIPPERS ... Extreme right wing ... You seem to forget a great lump of that 4 million who voted for em were Labour voters ... I don't think you've got a sodding clue what's guna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 4, 2018 Author Share Posted May 4, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-04 5:20 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 4:38 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-04 2:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-04 1:12 PM I'd like a hung parliament where a centre party injects sense into the stupefying left/right dogma by rejecting the failing extremes, in the interests of the country. Not a coalition, just support for whoever has the best ideas on an issue by issue basis. That way parliament can do what it is supposed to do - which is to tell the executive to go forth and execute parliament's will. Won't happen, though, will it? :-( Hopefully not ;-) .......... Ye thank Christ that piffle ain't guna happen ... ................... Not a crystal ball, surely, Antony? :-D Nope ... Just the opinion of a man in the know ... You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-04 5:40 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 5:21 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 4:34 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 2:30 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-04 12:54 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 12:09 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-04 11:13 AM Barryd999 - 2018-05-04 10:57 AM John is right though. If you have scrutinised the press as closely as I have over the past two to three years its main political focus has been to diss Corbyn and the Labour Party at every opportunity. They are doing the same thing with him as they did with the EU. Slowly but constantly feeding ever more sh!te to the huge readership. It makes no odds to me, Im disenfranchised in terms of who to support now, I feel like a spectator but it does look like the media will do the same job on Labour as it did with Europe. Brexit made a difference though. Strong leave areas swung to Tory in the hope of a better Brexit or any Brexit and strong remain areas swung to Labour. I cannot imagine an act of more self harm though than a poor area first of all voting to leave the EU and secondly voting for the Tories. You couldnt make it up. Lambs to the slaughter. You can make your own mind up and cut through the crap but others cant ... Is that what your saying Barry ??? Well Dave clearly cant if he still believes Britain is booming and the experts got it wrong. Top of the G7 to the bottom in the space of two years since the referendum. Really based on what info Barry? ;-) .......... Oh another OECD prediction (lol) ......... https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2017/jan/08/economic-forecasts-hardwired-get-things-wrong :D ......... Whats the point of that link? Its just a blog, some bloke spouting hot air whilst its a FACT That before Brexit we were top of the G7 and now we are at the bottom. There has been a worldwide economic boom since Brexit which is why a lot of the forecasts were not as gloomy as predicted but that just makes it worse as everyone else has faired much better than us. As for your previous post re 329 days, that means nothing. Could be an election before then or within the Transitional phase up until at least 2021. Nobody knows but what we have learned in the past two years is that anything can happen. "Nobody knows" ... No way ... You saying you don't know ... Rub your ball again it normally tells us whats guna happen after Brexit with absolute certainty The only thing I am certain of is that Brexit will be a disaster and that the Tory party will be finished as a result. As to when it will all come crashing down I dunno. Nobody knows what will happen over the coming months, years. There could be a public vote on the final deal / second referendum, doubtful but who knows and Brexit may never happen. This could actually save the Tories ironically although I doubt it as they will probably split themselves in half if that happens. Im not sure Dave thinking having the UKIPPERS on board is a good thing either. The last thing that party needs is more extreme right wingers, thats bound to turn even more people off them. It has me for one thing and I always voted Tory. UKIPPERS ... Extreme right wing ... You seem to forget a great lump of that 4 million who voted for em were Labour voters ... I don't think you've got a sodding clue what's guna happen Well I was assuming the ones that jumped ship to the Tories were right wingers but who knows? Hardcore pish poor Brexiteers are backing the Tories now as they see them as the best option for delivering Brexit. Your right, I concede. I dont have a sodding clue whats going to happen. (lol) Think ill go for some pints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.