antony1969 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-prisoner-numbers-jump-50-just-10-years-no-one-knows-100515722.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw ... For the deniers and apologists if it carries on in the same way in the next 10 years we really are going to be in da sh4t ... Maybe just closing our eyes and pretending its not a problem might help solve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-09 12:41 PM https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-prisoner-numbers-jump-50-just-10-years-no-one-knows-100515722.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw ... For the deniers and apologists if it carries on in the same way in the next 10 years we really are going to be in da sh4t ... Maybe just closing our eyes and pretending its not a problem might help solve it I don't believe the apologists will not share your concern about these figures Antony. Good to see that the government is looking into it. Once someone comes up with a robust analysis of why this has happened we'll be better placed to find a solution. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 What we know is as the gap between rich and poor increases, so does crime. Not difficult to see why either. But the Government has its fingers in its ears because it doesn't suit their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I recall seing Michael Howard standing up at the Tory Party conference waving a pair of handcuffs, saying Prison works. He doubled the prison population and recorded crime fell. But at least some of that fall must have been due to new technology like CCTV and more secure cars that came in at the same time. Or people in sink estates thinking crime not worth reporting. I realise people are not committing crime on the streets whilst they are in prison. Prison is a hideously expensive way of controlling crime though :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-09-10 10:48 AM antony1969 - 2017-09-09 12:41 PM https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-prisoner-numbers-jump-50-just-10-years-no-one-knows-100515722.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw ... For the deniers and apologists if it carries on in the same way in the next 10 years we really are going to be in da sh4t ... Maybe just closing our eyes and pretending its not a problem might help solve it I don't believe the apologists will not share your concern about these figures Antony. Good to see that the government is looking into it. Once someone comes up with a robust analysis of why this has happened we'll be better placed to find a solution. Veronica Isn't it really quite simple as to why this has happened ... Muslims simply commit more crimes because a lot of them have no respect for the law ... Until they respect British law or Britain in general then those figures are going to keep rising ... Its just another Muslim problem from the religion that gives so much , mostly not of it legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-10 12:07 PM Violet1956 - 2017-09-10 10:48 AM antony1969 - 2017-09-09 12:41 PM https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-prisoner-numbers-jump-50-just-10-years-no-one-knows-100515722.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw ... For the deniers and apologists if it carries on in the same way in the next 10 years we really are going to be in da sh4t ... Maybe just closing our eyes and pretending its not a problem might help solve it I don't believe the apologists will not share your concern about these figures Antony. Good to see that the government is looking into it. Once someone comes up with a robust analysis of why this has happened we'll be better placed to find a solution. Veronica Isn't it really quite simple as to why this has happened ... Muslims simply commit more crimes because a lot of them have no respect for the law ... Until they respect British law or Britain in general then those figures are going to keep rising ... Its just another Muslim problem from the religion that gives so much , mostly not of it legal I think it very unlikely to be that simple Antony. You seem to be drawing a conclusion that the raw data and the discussion in the article does not support- hence the government's declared intention to investigate further. Nowadays many more people are inclined to state they have no religion than did so in the past when the default response of many was “C of E” whether or not they ever entered a church after they were christened. Just because someone in jail says they are Muslim doesn’t mean they are committed adherents or that it is their religion that causes them to commit crimes. I'm not advocating being soft on crime btw. If people are locked up they usually deserve to be. Neverthless, investigating why people have ended up in jail plays an important part in trying to reduce crime and this phenomenon clearly needs investigating. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-10 12:07 PM ... Muslims simply commit more crimes because a lot of them have no respect for the law .. Thats what you say But they say its because Muslims get stopped and searched more often etc How do we know which one of you is right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-09-10 1:52 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-10 12:07 PM Violet1956 - 2017-09-10 10:48 AM antony1969 - 2017-09-09 12:41 PM https://uk.news.yahoo.com/muslim-prisoner-numbers-jump-50-just-10-years-no-one-knows-100515722.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw ... For the deniers and apologists if it carries on in the same way in the next 10 years we really are going to be in da sh4t ... Maybe just closing our eyes and pretending its not a problem might help solve it I don't believe the apologists will not share your concern about these figures Antony. Good to see that the government is looking into it. Once someone comes up with a robust analysis of why this has happened we'll be better placed to find a solution. Veronica Isn't it really quite simple as to why this has happened ... Muslims simply commit more crimes because a lot of them have no respect for the law ... Until they respect British law or Britain in general then those figures are going to keep rising ... Its just another Muslim problem from the religion that gives so much , mostly not of it legal I think it very unlikely to be that simple Antony. You seem to be drawing a conclusion that the raw data and the discussion in the article does not support- hence the government's declared intention to investigate further. Nowadays many more people are inclined to state they have no religion than did so in the past when the default response of many was “C of E” whether or not they ever entered a church after they were christened. Just because someone in jail says they are Muslim doesn’t mean they are committed adherents or that it is their religion that causes them to commit crimes. I'm not advocating being soft on crime btw. If people are locked up they usually deserve to be. Neverthless, investigating why people have ended up in jail plays an important part in trying to reduce crime and this phenomenon clearly needs investigating. Veronica Im sure you do believe it couldn't be that simple Veronica ... I'll wait to hear what yours and the governments take on the shocking high Muslim criminal figures is ... I bet it will probably involve blaming anyone and everyone other than Muslims ... Cant wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 John52 - 2017-09-10 2:14 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-10 12:07 PM ... Muslims simply commit more crimes because a lot of them have no respect for the law .. Thats what you say But they say its because Muslims get stopped and searched more often etc How do we know which one of you is right? All makes sense now ... Police stop and search policy is to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 YeeHaa "news" pmsl.......try Breitbart that noble bastion of 'virtuous morality'. *-) ________________________________________________________________ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/black-and-minority-ethnic-groups-increasingly-more-likely-to-be/ https://www.ukdataservice.ac.uk/media/604663/hargreaves.pdf Stopped and handcuffed by police for "wearing too many clothes". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-man-stop-search-mosque-wear-too-many-clothes-regent-s-park-mosque-muhammad-chamoune-police-a7837126.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-09-10 10:12 PM YeeHaa "news" pmsl.......try Breitbart that noble bastion of 'virtuous morality'. *-) ________________________________________________________________ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/black-and-minority-ethnic-groups-increasingly-more-likely-to-be/ https://www.ukdataservice.ac.uk/media/604663/hargreaves.pdf Stopped and handcuffed by police for "wearing too many clothes". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-man-stop-search-mosque-wear-too-many-clothes-regent-s-park-mosque-muhammad-chamoune-police-a7837126.html Blacks and Muslims are much more likely to be stopped as blacks and Muslims commit much more crime ... Just like males are much more likely to be stopped as males commit much more crime than females ... The young are more likely to be stopped as the young commit much more crime and so on and so on ... Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Crime statistics are derived from the tiny minority who get caught. So how accurate can they be *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 John52 - 2017-09-11 9:51 AM Crime statistics are derived from the tiny minority who get caught. So how accurate can they be *-) Crikey so if its only a tiny minority then even more Muslims are crooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 John52 - 2017-09-11 9:51 AM Crime statistics are derived from the tiny minority who get caught. So how accurate can they be *-) Whilst the law has developed over time so that the processes by which the criminal law is shaped have become more democratic there has been an historic bias towards implementing laws that the rich and powerful decided were important. For example, in old sentencing policy there were several categories of theft which the law dictated were to be treated more or less seriously when it came to punishment. “Larceny servant” attracted a higher penalty than many other categories is just one instance that will come as no surprise. A more recent example of how there is potential for crime statistics to mislead, in this instance in relation to the social/economic class of criminals, occurred locally when some boys from and independent school got into the habit of stealing goods from a nearby supermarket. The police weren’t involved as there was a negotiation between the Headteacher and the store’s management about how to punish and prevent it. Nothing wrong with that, who wouldn’t want young people to avoid getting a criminal record when they are often capable of reform and/or punishment without involving the police. I am not confident however that children in a “sink” school would share the same fate. Another is that it at a university one of my children attended there was a caucus of class A drug dealing and drug taking rich kids from top independent schools that managed to avoid detection. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-11 11:35 AM John52 - 2017-09-11 9:51 AM Crime statistics are derived from the tiny minority who get caught. So how accurate can they be *-) Crikey so if its only a tiny minority then even more Muslims are crooks if what they say is true (and its possible) it could be that a greater percentage of muslims are caught. or fall into crime because they are denied opportunities to make an honest living. we just don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 John52 - 2017-09-11 1:40 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 11:35 AM John52 - 2017-09-11 9:51 AM Crime statistics are derived from the tiny minority who get caught. So how accurate can they be *-) Crikey so if its only a tiny minority then even more Muslims are crooks if what they say is true (and its possible) it could be that a greater percentage of muslims are caught. or fall into crime because they are denied opportunities to make an honest living. we just don't know I don't think in this country we've ever bent over backwards more to accommodate any group of folk or been so lenient and tolerant than we are for Muslims ... Quite ironic when you weigh up how bigoted and racist a religion it is ... Why are they denied the opportunity to make an honest living ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-11 2:29 PM ... Why are they denied the opportunity to make an honest living ? Some say they are discriminated against in job applications etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 John52 - 2017-09-11 4:02 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 2:29 PM ... Why are they denied the opportunity to make an honest living ? Some say they are discriminated against in job applications etc. Like to see some proof of that John ... Send us the link cos obviously you can back that claim up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Seems obvious to me, the police don't prosecute white folks especially if they are furniture removers.....must be a lot of them. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-11 6:35 AM Bulletguy - 2017-09-10 10:12 PM YeeHaa "news" pmsl.......try Breitbart that noble bastion of 'virtuous morality'. *-) ________________________________________________________________ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/black-and-minority-ethnic-groups-increasingly-more-likely-to-be/ https://www.ukdataservice.ac.uk/media/604663/hargreaves.pdf Stopped and handcuffed by police for "wearing too many clothes". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-man-stop-search-mosque-wear-too-many-clothes-regent-s-park-mosque-muhammad-chamoune-police-a7837126.html Blacks and Muslims are much more likely to be stopped as blacks and Muslims commit much more crime ... Just like males are much more likely to be stopped as males commit much more crime than females ... The young are more likely to be stopped as the young commit much more crime and so on and so on ... In 2013/14, there were 837,000 stops and searches, a 12% reduction from the previous year. White suspects accounted for 75% of all stops and searches, despite accounting for 87% of the population. Blacks and Muslims stopped because "they commit much more crime" is your over simplistic opinion based on little other than racist views you hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-09-11 6:26 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 6:35 AM Bulletguy - 2017-09-10 10:12 PM YeeHaa "news" pmsl.......try Breitbart that noble bastion of 'virtuous morality'. *-) ________________________________________________________________ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/black-and-minority-ethnic-groups-increasingly-more-likely-to-be/ https://www.ukdataservice.ac.uk/media/604663/hargreaves.pdf Stopped and handcuffed by police for "wearing too many clothes". http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-man-stop-search-mosque-wear-too-many-clothes-regent-s-park-mosque-muhammad-chamoune-police-a7837126.html Blacks and Muslims are much more likely to be stopped as blacks and Muslims commit much more crime ... Just like males are much more likely to be stopped as males commit much more crime than females ... The young are more likely to be stopped as the young commit much more crime and so on and so on ... In 2013/14, there were 837,000 stops and searches, a 12% reduction from the previous year. White suspects accounted for 75% of all stops and searches, despite accounting for 87% of the population. Blacks and Muslims stopped because "they commit much more crime" is your over simplistic opinion based on little other than racist views you hold. Racist ? ... How predictable ... Adds nothing to the conversation as usual other giving you a reason to pop a Viagra pill ... Zzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-11 7:14 PM Racist ? ... How predictable ... Adds nothing to the conversation as usual other giving you a reason to pop a Viagra pill ... Zzzzzzzzzzz You mean "adds nothing to Antonys race hate campaign because those charts are not what i want to read". And yes it was well past your bed time at 7.14pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-09-11 9:37 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 7:14 PM Racist ? ... How predictable ... Adds nothing to the conversation as usual other giving you a reason to pop a Viagra pill ... Zzzzzzzzzzz You mean "adds nothing to Antonys race hate campaign because those charts are not what i want to read". And yes it was well past your bed time at 7.14pm. Wow ... Enjoyed it that much ya popped another pill later ... Regarding your charts Ive never said that blacks and Muslims don't get stopped more than whites ... Of course they do as they commit more crime something our prison population proves ... Please show charts for stop and searches for males versus females and young versus old ... I bet more males and more young get stopped ... Not rocket science is it ... Maybe you could do us a chart regarding the Many Muslim sex gang cases we've had as to the percentage of white girls abused against Asian girls ... Thats your homework for today and I for one am looking forward to the results later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-11 5:41 PM John52 - 2017-09-11 4:02 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 2:29 PM ... Why are they denied the opportunity to make an honest living ? Some say they are discriminated against in job applications etc. Like to see some proof of that John ... Send us the link cos obviously you can back that claim up I'm not making any claims because I haven't sen any proof Since you seem to be making the claims I thought you might have some proof *-) Would you employ a Muslim by the way *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 John52 - 2017-09-12 8:22 AM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 5:41 PM John52 - 2017-09-11 4:02 PM antony1969 - 2017-09-11 2:29 PM ... Why are they denied the opportunity to make an honest living ? Some say they are discriminated against in job applications etc. Like to see some proof of that John ... Send us the link cos obviously you can back that claim up I'm not making any claims because I haven't sen any proof Since you seem to be making the claims I thought you might have some proof *-) Would you employ a Muslim by the way *-) I wouldnt employ anyone who holds bigoted , racist views towards others simply because they dont believe in a certain religion or anyone with anti-Semitic hatred for Jews , hatred of homosexuals or anyone who treats women worse than dirt amongst other things ... If Muslims fall into any of the above then the answer is no I wouldnt employ them surely just like any right minded decent person wouldnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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