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userpelmetman
Posted: 9 January 2019 4:14 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 3:58 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-08 4:10 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-01-08 3:01 PM
Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.
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Yes you are ..........
There have been numerous examples in our courts to PROVE we have NO CONTROL .........

I've no idea which cases you are referring to, but I note that you refer to cases "in our courts". So, if the UK has no control, how is it that the cases are being tried in UK courts, under UK law? Where is the EU influence?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/eu-rules-stopped-britain-deporting-murders-rapists-and-violent-c/

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userBrian Kirby
Posted: 9 January 2019 4:52 PM
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747 - 2019-01-09 3:13 PM...............….The only damage Brian was to the pride of an MP. one who can be very outspoken herself on matters. I think the use of 'a baying mob' is a bit dramatic.

As I said in my earlier post, there has been no instant reaction to the knife murders in some of our big Cities. No instant action against the violence in our Prisons. So can I conclude (as you always do) that it is the new norm and you are quite happy about it?

The incident was filmed, so that it could be instantly uploaded (OK, it was for the promotion of one person, the obnoxious Mr Goddard) and was a 'stunt', nothing more, nothing less. An opportunity that seemingly has worked very well.

Outspoken yes, but not so far as I am aware to the extent of gathering a gang around her to harass her opponents and shouting in their faces from a couple of feet away. This was no debate, just crude intimidation. Did you actually see the film, or just the reports?

Whether or not one agrees with her, she is an elected MP and should be treated with respect, just as you or I should be treated, left or right, male or female, white or other, religious or not, whatever our sexual orientation; not bawled out on the pretext that it gives us a "taste of reality". What reality is that, please?

What relevance has the upsurge to knife crime to that, or to the drug addled violence of our prisons? The issue that gave rise to the harassment of Anna Soubry was her position on Brexit. How on earth does knife crime or prison violence bear on Brexit?

So no, you should not conclude that I think those issues are the new norm, nor that I "always" take that view - whatever that may mean.

What I do think is that neither issue has the remotest connection to Brexit, and neither gives anyone the slightest excuse for harassing an MP for being forthright in her views about Brexit - or anything else. Peoples' dissenting views should first be heard, and then politely challenged, not offensively shouted down.

It was good that the incident was filmed to expose the appalling way that group sought to silence the views of others with whom they disagree. One doesn't win an argument by intimidatory shouting, one wins it by having a better argument.
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Posted: 9 January 2019 5:20 PM
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You do realise that most of the article you posted refers to the recent abuse from these far right thugs along with an unverified claim of a remainer calling some MP fat.

Until I start seeing video footage of remainers chasing and aggressively abusing women on their own then it would appear the real abuse and threatening behaviour is only coming from one side. Why am I not surprised?
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Posted: 9 January 2019 5:31 PM
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You do realise that most of the article you posted refers to the recent abuse from these far right thugs along with an unverified claim of a remainer calling some MP fat.

Until I start seeing video footage of remainers chasing and aggressively abusing women on their own then it would appear the real abuse and threatening behaviour is only coming from one side. Why am I not surprised?


Mr Davies told BBC News: 'Like a lot of MPs on all sides of the [Brexit] argument, I've been subjected to abuse, threats and malicious allegations.

'It has been going on a long time. So the camera is to protect me and for evidential purposes.

'During the last couple of interviews I've done, I've had people swearing, threatening to find where I live and I've been called scum.

'I've had flag poles shoved in my face and if I have to push objects out of the way, people have made allegations that I've grabbed them.

'So now I switch on the camera every time I walk up and down to College Green.'

So unless you see the evidence from Mr Davies camera you wont believe him? .........

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Posted: 9 January 2019 5:39 PM
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The hypocrisy from the usuals is breath taking , because one of theirs has had some names thrown her way its the end of the world yet they are quite happy to stay silent , laugh at or blame the victim of abuse if a Brexiteer ... Utter hypocrites
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Posted: 9 January 2019 6:26 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 5:31 PM

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You do realise that most of the article you posted refers to the recent abuse from these far right thugs along with an unverified claim of a remainer calling some MP fat.

Until I start seeing video footage of remainers chasing and aggressively abusing women on their own then it would appear the real abuse and threatening behaviour is only coming from one side. Why am I not surprised?


Mr Davies told BBC News: 'Like a lot of MPs on all sides of the [Brexit] argument, I've been subjected to abuse, threats and malicious allegations.

'It has been going on a long time. So the camera is to protect me and for evidential purposes.

'During the last couple of interviews I've done, I've had people swearing, threatening to find where I live and I've been called scum.

'I've had flag poles shoved in my face and if I have to push objects out of the way, people have made allegations that I've grabbed them.

'So now I switch on the camera every time I walk up and down to College Green.'

So unless you see the evidence from Mr Davies camera you wont believe him? .........



No I wont Dave. Im not saying he is lying but there are cameras everywhere. You cant pick your nose outside of westminster if your a polly without someone filming it and putting it on Facebook. Why are we just hearing about his abuse now I wonder? Surely someone would have witnessed it and its almost certain to have been caught on camera.
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Posted: 9 January 2019 6:37 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 4:14 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 3:58 PM
pelmetman - 2019-01-08 4:10 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-01-08 3:01 PM
Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.
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Yes you are ..........
There have been numerous examples in our courts to PROVE we have NO CONTROL .........

I've no idea which cases you are referring to, but I note that you refer to cases "in our courts". So, if the UK has no control, how is it that the cases are being tried in UK courts, under UK law? Where is the EU influence?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/eu-rules-stopped-britain-deporting-murders-rapists-and-violent-c/
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Well, yes, Dominic Raab and the Daily Gruff getting a bit hysterical at referendum time! Not quite what one might expect from an international lawyer - even if he is an ardent Brexiter!

He cheats (as, with his background, he knew full well he was doing) by bundling together a disparate group of 50 convicted criminals for maximum anti-EU effect. See what I mean about manipulation?

It is impossible to comment on 50 individual cases, with at least 50 special pleadings to be taken into account heard, it seems, in various courts, and in any case I'm not a lawyer. So, here's a link to some people who are: http://tinyurl.com/yc5a6prz It gives the least biased explanation I could find of who can do what to whom, when, under what circumstances.

What seems to me to emerge is that some aspects of current UK law make it difficult to extradite EU "nationals".

For example, we frequently "parole" prisoners, on the ground that they no longer present a public threat. The EU judges have upheld appeals against deportation of paroled prisoners on the ground that if the UK judges them safe to release, it can hardly claim them to be such a threat to the public that they are worthy of deportation. Seems a fair argument to me.

In other cases EU judges have held that it is not right to apply a blanket deportation rule post imprisonment because such rules do not take account of individual circumstances, and that deportation should only follow imprisonment if it is judged (with supporting evidence) that the individual remains a threat. Again, this seems fair enough to me.

There are additional conditions that involve duration of residence, so that after 10 years UK residence it becomes substantially more difficult to legally deport, or where the prisoner has dependents living in the UK, especially children who have been born in UK and would have little knowledge of their native language or culture. Maybe, maybe not, depending on the crime, and the capacity of the individual to reform.

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.

It is also clear that a umber of deportations were thwarted because the cases brought against them were incompetent - something the for which EU cannot be blamed. So, difficult, but demonstrably far from impossible. However, lawyers are well paid, so should be up to their jobs. It therefore seems futile to argue that the fault in these cases lies with the EU, and not with the competence of the lawyers the UK chose to put up to support their cases.

I don't expect you to like this, because you seem to think that the UK should be able to chuck out whoever it chooses to chuck out, on whatever pretext it decides appropriate, without the right to appeal.

I disagree, and consider the checks and balances reasonable and proportionate even if they do mean we are obliged to retain a few individuals we would probably all be happier to wave bye-bye.

The right to summarily imprison, release, or deport individuals died along with the divine right of Kings when Charles 1st's head was removed by Cromwell. Since then, we have developed a democracy based on the rule of law. It can never be perfect, but it works well in the great majority of cases, and realistically, that is the best that can be expected. It is far better IMO than placing unbridled faith in "the state" to behave reasonably when irritated by those it considers a nuisance, or in the rule of the mob.
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Posted: 9 January 2019 6:54 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
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As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-09 6:56 PM
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Posted: 9 January 2019 8:22 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 4:52 PM

747 - 2019-01-09 3:13 PM...............….The only damage Brian was to the pride of an MP. one who can be very outspoken herself on matters. I think the use of 'a baying mob' is a bit dramatic.

As I said in my earlier post, there has been no instant reaction to the knife murders in some of our big Cities. No instant action against the violence in our Prisons. So can I conclude (as you always do) that it is the new norm and you are quite happy about it?

The incident was filmed, so that it could be instantly uploaded (OK, it was for the promotion of one person, the obnoxious Mr Goddard) and was a 'stunt', nothing more, nothing less. An opportunity that seemingly has worked very well.

Outspoken yes, but not so far as I am aware to the extent of gathering a gang around her to harass her opponents and shouting in their faces from a couple of feet away. This was no debate, just crude intimidation. Did you actually see the film, or just the reports?

Whether or not one agrees with her, she is an elected MP and should be treated with respect, just as you or I should be treated, left or right, male or female, white or other, religious or not, whatever our sexual orientation; not bawled out on the pretext that it gives us a "taste of reality". What reality is that, please?

What relevance has the upsurge to knife crime to that, or to the drug addled violence of our prisons? The issue that gave rise to the harassment of Anna Soubry was her position on Brexit. How on earth does knife crime or prison violence bear on Brexit?

So no, you should not conclude that I think those issues are the new norm, nor that I "always" take that view - whatever that may mean.

What I do think is that neither issue has the remotest connection to Brexit, and neither gives anyone the slightest excuse for harassing an MP for being forthright in her views about Brexit - or anything else. Peoples' dissenting views should first be heard, and then politely challenged, not offensively shouted down.

It was good that the incident was filmed to expose the appalling way that group sought to silence the views of others with whom they disagree. One doesn't win an argument by intimidatory shouting, one wins it by having a better argument.


Your seeming acceptance of a 2 tier Society is showing Brian.

An MP gets shouted at and you are up in arms about it. A sharp rise in murder and violent crime has not elicited a peep out of you. I am talking about a change in Society, not Brexit. I have made absolutely no comment on Brexit in this thread. I am not bothered what the outcome of Brexit is, I am too worried at the prospect of a Marxist UK under Comrade Corbyn (which looks inevitable).

The hoohah outside Parliament is symptomatic of a fractured Society. Brexit has only amplified what was already happening.
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Posted: 9 January 2019 10:32 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 6:54 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
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As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.
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Posted: 9 January 2019 10:38 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-09 10:32 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-09 6:54 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........We haven't left yet .........and when we do I will follow the Spanish rules for non EU citizens ..........

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Posted: 9 January 2019 10:59 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 10:38 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-09 10:32 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-09 6:54 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.
userpelmetman
Posted: 9 January 2019 11:05 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-09 10:59 PM

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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 6:54 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

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Besides I doubt the NHS are bothered by us folk who spend our time abroad not being a burden on them .......


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Posted: 9 January 2019 11:21 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 11:05 PM

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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 10:38 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-09 10:32 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-09 6:54 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.

Edited by Bulletguy 2019-01-09 11:23 PM
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Posted: 9 January 2019 11:26 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.


It's just as well I came home for Christmas then .........

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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.


It's just as well I came home for Christmas then .........

You wouldn't still be up at this hour if you had as it's way past your 'normal' hour.....you've been in turmoil since late afternoon.
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Posted: 10 January 2019 9:04 AM
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However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
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As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.


It's just as well I came home for Christmas then .........

You wouldn't still be up at this hour if you had as it's way past your 'normal' hour.....you've been in turmoil since late afternoon.


Fancy a bet? ..........

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Yes....NHS regulations 2004.



It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.

Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.
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Posted: 10 January 2019 10:45 PM
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Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........



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Posted: 10 January 2019 11:44 PM
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Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.
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Posted: 11 January 2019 6:37 AM
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


Dob him in or shut up ... Be quite funny Dave banged up ... Hopefully they bring him back here to serve his time with all those Muslims in our prison system , I bet he'd convert pretty quick ... Or shut up ... Pleeeeeze
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Posted: 11 January 2019 8:27 AM
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........



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Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 7:23 PM

747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:15 PM
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/


Like I said ......the fact it annoys you is a Brexit bonus .........

BTW I said my Spanish ***NHS*** doctor ...........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-11 4:17 PM
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/


Like I said ......the fact it annoys you is a Brexit bonus .........

BTW I said my Spanish ***NHS*** doctor ...........

You've run out of straws to clutch at.
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:45 PM
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:47 PM
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/


Like I said ......the fact it annoys you is a Brexit bonus .........

BTW I said my Spanish ***NHS*** doctor ...........

You've run out of straws to clutch at.


...........

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antony1969 - 2019-01-11 4:45 PM

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You really shouldn't encourage Dobbin Antony ..........

He's doesn't need any help to make an Ass of himself .........

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