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Posted: 14 June 2020 11:47 AM
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All those deaths.

What a topsy turvy world we now live in. A "Mail" link.

Seems we had a government pandemic team but it was shut down so everyone could focus on Brexit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416075/Boris-Johnson-scrapped-Cabinet-Ministers-pandemic-team-six-months-coronavirus-hit-Britain.html?fbclid=IwAR1fWZMl5tsJAZV7_0BCtISZYEkRjfBAIHlUXToX9EEu9kI385_zLV4XEv8

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Posted: 14 June 2020 12:53 PM
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Ouch!! And from the DM!
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Posted: 14 June 2020 4:17 PM
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Ah but the DM becomes a "lefty loser" paper run by "Remoaner" Geordie Grieg when it publishes articles that don't dance to the Brexiteers narrative.

Interestingly UK has been knocked down into third place on the world stats for Covid-19 deaths as Brazil hit over 41,000 to become the second worst with US well out in the lead. More than a coincidence all three countries led by populism.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-13/covid-19-death-toll-in-brazil-surpasses-uk/

A YouGov poll also shows how peoples perception of UK government handling of Covid-19 has plummeted.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2020/03/17/perception-government-handling-covid-19
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Posted: 14 June 2020 7:00 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 12:53 PM

Ouch!! And from the DM!




But it quotes days after he entered No 10 and the virus was not admitted by the Chinese until February 2020, I don't think he ha a crystal ball so how the hell was he to know a pandemic was on the horizon ?.


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Posted: 14 June 2020 7:30 PM
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So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?
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Posted: 14 June 2020 7:44 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM

So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?


We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories
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Posted: 14 June 2020 8:16 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 12:53 PM

Ouch!! And from the DM!


But it quotes days after he entered No 10 and the virus was not admitted by the Chinese until February 2020, I don't think he ha a crystal ball so how the hell was he to know a pandemic was on the horizon ?.

This timeline from the British Foreign Policy Group says December 31st 2019 at which point WHO declared it a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC).

https://bfpg.co.uk/2020/04/covid-19-timeline/

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/articles/coronavirusandtheeffectsonukprices/2020-05-06#background
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Posted: 14 June 2020 8:24 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-14 5:17 PM

Ah but the DM becomes a "lefty loser" paper run by "Remoaner" Geordie Grieg when it publishes articles that don't dance to the Brexiteers narrative.

Interestingly UK has been knocked down into third place on the world stats for Covid-19 deaths as Brazil hit over 41,000 to become the second worst with US well out in the lead. More than a coincidence all three countries led by populism.




What is the difference between populism and democracy?
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Posted: 14 June 2020 9:26 PM
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What is the difference between populism and democracy?



According to the dictionary - democracy is a government chosen by the people - and populism is putting the interests of
the ' ordinary people ' before the interests of the elite in society.


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Posted: 14 June 2020 9:47 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 12:53 PM

Ouch!! And from the DM!




But it quotes days after he entered No 10 and the virus was not admitted by the Chinese until February 2020, I don't think he ha a crystal ball so how the hell was he to know a pandemic was on the horizon ?.




There were warnings a year ago about a coming Pandemic and of course operation Cygnus in 2016 showed clearly we were ill prepared. PPE stocks were depleted, millions of PPE went missing and the government still refuses to say where it went.

Disbanding an important Pandemic group to focus on Brexit was really unacceptable. When this all started to kick off and the world realised we were on the cusp of a Pandemic Johnson was focused on getting people to cough up for a Brexit Bong.
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Posted: 15 June 2020 5:50 AM
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Dominic Cummings has slipped up letting this leak out
Must be time for him to have someone else sacked and frogmarched out of the building
.. and Stuart to bemoan the press having the audacity to question politicians
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Posted: 15 June 2020 8:35 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM
So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.
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Posted: 15 June 2020 8:38 AM
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.. but then again testament to how effective BoJo's enforcer has been in keeping this hidden from us for so long
a whole department shifted from pandemic control to Brexit
Scared of Cummings having them sacked and frogmarched out if they let us know whats going on
No wonder BoJo is so keen to hang on to Dominic Cummings
BoJo doesn't do the nasty jobs himself
Is that because he hasn't got the stomach for it?
Or is it because he wants to preserve his jovial, avuncular image ?

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Posted: 15 June 2020 8:52 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-06-14 11:47 AM

All those deaths.

What a topsy turvy world we now live in. A "Mail" link.

Seems we had a government pandemic team but it was shut down so everyone could focus on Brexit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416075/Boris-Johnson-scrapped-Cabinet-Ministers-pandemic-team-six-months-coronavirus-hit-Britain.html?fbclid=IwAR1fWZMl5tsJAZV7_0BCtISZYEkRjfBAIHlUXToX9EEu9kI385_zLV4XEv8



What difference would it have made? .........

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? .........

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu ........

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Posted: 15 June 2020 8:57 AM
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What difference would it have made? .........

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? .........

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu ........


Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?
I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long
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Posted: 15 June 2020 9:03 AM
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What difference would it have made? .........

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? .........

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu ........


Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?
I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long


What's up HYPOCRITE?.......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ...........

Best not start a thread about care homes deaths .........

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Posted: 15 June 2020 9:06 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 8:35 AM

Birdbrain - 2020-06-14 7:44 PM
Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM
So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.


I thought there would be a "significant difference" with an "event elsewhere in the world" (China Virus) resulting in a pandemic here which we have had before and another "event elsewhere in the world" (Mr Floyd) leading to race riots we also have had before ... Yup
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Posted: 15 June 2020 9:41 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 9:03 AM

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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 8:52 AM

What difference would it have made? .........

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? .........

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu ........


Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?
I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long


What's up HYPOCRITE?.......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ...........

Best not start a thread about care homes deaths .........



Perhaps if the government had not kept the data and science to themselves and they continue to do so more informed decisions would have been made. Your whataboutery does not excuse the fact that an important department focusing on a pandemic that they were warned was coming was pulled in order to focus on Brexit.
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Posted: 15 June 2020 12:17 PM
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Birdbrain - 2020-06-15 9:06 AM
Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 8:35 AM
Birdbrain - 2020-06-14 7:44 PM
Brian Kirby - 2020-06-14 7:30 PM
So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.

I thought there would be a "significant difference" with an "event elsewhere in the world" (China Virus) resulting in a pandemic here which we have had before and another "event elsewhere in the world" (Mr Floyd) leading to race riots we also have had before ... Yup

Are you seriously trying to argue that there is no difference between a pandemic, and the killing of Floyd?
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Posted: 15 June 2020 12:27 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-06-14 11:47 AM
All those deaths.
What a topsy turvy world we now live in. A "Mail" link.
Seems we had a government pandemic team but it was shut down so everyone could focus on Brexit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8416075/Boris-Johnson-scrapped-Cabinet-Ministers-pandemic-team-six-months-coronavirus-hit-Britain.html?fbclid=IwAR1fWZMl5tsJAZV7_0BCtISZYEkRjfBAIHlUXToX9EEu9kI385_zLV4XEv8

What difference would it have made? .........
Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? .........
If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu ........

There is one government for the United Kingdom, at Westminster. NI, Scotland, and Wales are "devolved administrations", with powers limited by the Westminster government. What the UK government does, or does not, do, limits the scope of what the devolved administrations can do.

You're on a dodgy wicket with care homes, because of the "protective ring" Hancock claimed to have provided to protect them, but manifestly failed to implement. That is where the lives lost in care homes arose. Patients were discharged from hospitals into care homes without first being tested for Covid and confirmed Covid free.
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Posted: 15 June 2020 12:37 PM
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What difference would it have made? .........

Did the Welsh or Scottish governments have "pandemic teams" in place? .........

If not why not?.......as they were "responsible" for their response to Chinky Flu ........


Why are you trying to change the subject to another government.?
I suppose it has to be repeated that, irrespective of what others were doing, we had a pandemic team in place until BoJo's enforcer shut it down, changed it over to Brexit, and kept the whole thing from us for so long


What's up HYPOCRITE?.......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ...........

Best not start a thread about care homes deaths .........



Brian has since explained that to you.
But what I find most disturbing is not the reckless incompetence of the current Westminster 'government'
Its the fact they stopped us from finding out about it for so long.
Thats actually quite sinister
... and its got Cummings written all over it
... why else is BoJo unable to sack Cummings for what is so obviously a sackable offence?
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Posted: 15 June 2020 12:43 PM
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You're on a dodgy wicket with care homes, because of the "protective ring" Hancock claimed to have provided to protect them, but manifestly failed to implement. That is where the lives lost in care homes arose. Patients were discharged from hospitals into care homes without first being tested for Covid and confirmed Covid free.


Indeed.
And the boss of a care home writing in the FT states the guidance he has received from the 'government' has changed 25 (sic) times this year
How can they even keep track of it - let alone have any faith in it
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Posted: 15 June 2020 1:10 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 12:27 PM You're on a dodgy wicket with care homes, because of the "protective ring" Hancock claimed to have provided to protect them, but manifestly failed to implement. That is where the lives lost in care homes arose. Patients were discharged from hospitals into care homes without first being tested for Covid and confirmed Covid free.


Manifestly it is your opinion that Hancock failed to impliment something, but it is nevertheless merely your opinion.
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Posted: 15 June 2020 1:45 PM
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I have some relevant insider knowledge:

In the early days of the pandemic-to-be, Public Health England were getting their act together and a consultant former colleague of mine told me the advice they were issuing to hospitals was changing daily or more frequently and was ofte confusing or even contradictory. Fortunately it's got a lot better since then. It's extremely unlikely that any of this advice was being seen or approved by the politicians because it was being issued by PHE staff lower down the pyramid.

Hospitals were supposed to discharge patients into care homes only when they were known to be tested COVID-19 but this was interpreted as a test done at any time, eg on admission to hospital rather than a retest before discharge.

Even as recently as last week a patient was being discharged to a care home at which a relative is deputy manager was to receive a patient from hospital and when the Care Home asked for the patients current COVID-19 test status they were told it was "not the hospital policy" to re-test on discharge, which is clearly wrong. The Care Home demanded a retest result before admission, otherwise the admission would be refused - and the hospital then complied. (Retesting would delay the discharge by one day, which is presumbaly what the hospital was trying to avoid.)

It's not difficult to imagine why things the politicians set as targets or which they hope for will not be achieved in practice.
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Posted: 15 June 2020 2:44 PM
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It is, IMO, reasonable to expect that when a UK Secretary of State makes a statement that something has been done, it has, and that when they say it will be done, their writ will run.

There may be all sorts of reasons or excuses for why something did not happen here and there, but surely no-one in a hospital can still remain unaware that the intention is to discharge bed-blockers to care homes as appropriate, but not before the patient has been tested, and the test result is negative?

To plead ignorance of that intention is tantamount to constructive ignorance.

The claim that care homes were being protected dates back to March, when Hancock claimed that measures had been in place to shield them from the beginning. The number of deaths, and their growth over time, is surely sufficient to at least raise serious questions about that claim?
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Posted: 15 June 2020 3:12 PM
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Not to add controversy but our experience says that a single negativity test is not enough to guarantee it.
Our procedures foresee that before being discharged from a hospital, a covid patient must undergo at least two tests, both with negative results and after a few days.
Let's say a week.

There have been no rare cases in which the tests necessary to certify the achieved negativity have been three and even four.
Extending the time between the first and final test to three and even four weeks.
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It is, IMO, reasonable to expect that when a UK Secretary of State makes a statement that something has been done, it has, and that when they say it will be done, their writ will run.

There may be all sorts of reasons or excuses for why something did not happen here and there, but surely no-one in a hospital can still remain unaware that the intention is to discharge bed-blockers to care homes as appropriate, but not before the patient has been tested, and the test result is negative?

To plead ignorance of that intention is tantamount to constructive ignorance.

The claim that care homes were being protected dates back to March, when Hancock claimed that measures had been in place to shield them from the beginning. The number of deaths, and their growth over time, is surely sufficient to at least raise serious questions about that claim?


Your expectation may be that every hint of any sort of target or intention by a politician is a guarantee but this is a national emergency and they are doing their best. It would be possible for my relative to make a fuss about the hospital's failure to test but why add to their problems? Get a life and try to be helpful rather than nit-picking Brian.

Don't tell me you're still hoping that despite the referendum and the recent General Election there isn't a majority in favour and Brexit won't happen?

Edited by StuartO 2020-06-15 3:33 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-15 9:03 AM
......Dontcha like the fact that Scotland and Wales hasn't managed any better than England......and in some cases much worse ......



Thats because BoJo is effectively managing it for them.
You seem unaware how much of your money BoJo is giving to us 'Losers' to bribe us not to vote for the nationalists, so BoJo maintains HIS empire at YOUR expense
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So what? One should only retain measures against a possibly catastrophic event when the event is already manifest? Why do you think we maintain armed forces?

We obviously didn't have a 'George Floyd' "catastrophic event in place either did we ??? ... Nasty Boris ... Nasty Tories

There is a significant difference between what is, and was, a foreseen risk (a pandemic) and an unforeseeable event elsewhere in the world (the killing of Floyd). Conflating the two is nonsensical.

I thought there would be a "significant difference" with an "event elsewhere in the world" (China Virus) resulting in a pandemic here which we have had before and another "event elsewhere in the world" (Mr Floyd) leading to race riots we also have had before ... Yup

Are you seriously trying to argue that there is no difference between a pandemic, and the killing of Floyd?


Depends ... Obviously protesting , looting , robbing , stabbing , shooting , vandalising and killing in Mr Floyds name is far more serious to thousand and thousands and thousands of folk than sticking to Covid rules while putting our Police , health workers and God knows how many at risk ... I hadn't realised it was a your issue is more serious than my issue carry on anyway
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Brian Kirby - 2020-06-15 2:44 PM

It is, IMO, reasonable to expect that when a UK Secretary of State makes a statement that something has been done, it has, and that when they say it will be done, their writ will run.

There may be all sorts of reasons or excuses for why something did not happen here and there, but surely no-one in a hospital can still remain unaware that the intention is to discharge bed-blockers to care homes as appropriate, but not before the patient has been tested, and the test result is negative?

To plead ignorance of that intention is tantamount to constructive ignorance.

The claim that care homes were being protected dates back to March, when Hancock claimed that measures had been in place to shield them from the beginning. The number of deaths, and their growth over time, is surely sufficient to at least raise serious questions about that claim?


Your expectation may be that every hint of any sort of target or intention by a politician is a guarantee but this is a national emergency and they are doing their best. It would be possible for my relative to make a fuss about the hospital's failure to test but why add to their problems? Get a life and try to be helpful rather than nit-picking Brian.

Don't tell me you're still hoping that despite the referendum and the recent General Election there isn't a majority in favour and Brexit won't happen?


I think Brian is still hoping that common sense will prevail and BoJo won't add a no-deal Brexit to our problems during a pandemic. Especially now he's made it worse than any other EU country. Given that, despite having the advantage of being surrounded by water, we have more deaths than any other EU country. To point that out is hardly 'nit picking' Stuart.
Did you forget to criticise the press for having the audacity to question politicians, and belatedly find out they had shut down the pandemic control department to concentrate on Brexit?
Don't you think its just a little bit sinister its taken so long for us to find out?

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