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userBulletguy
Posted: 22 February 2019 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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pelmetman - 2019-02-22 3:19 PM

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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM
1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?


2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........

3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........

4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........

Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

Yesterday you were quoting "1.9 million UK companies".....today that's now suddenly gone up to "5.4 million UK companies". Where have these extra 3.5 million "new companies" suddenly sprouted from overnight during the past 24 hours other than in your wild imagination? You've just been plucking any old figures out of thin air and making stuff up as you fumble along!

Brian also said in his post, "I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way."

Putting it bluntly it's very much a case of 'one way traffic'.......unless you have links from credible and reliable sources to disprove that?


Will a briefing paper from the House of Commons do? ........

"The usual definition of small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs) is any business with fewer than 250 employees. There were 5.7 million SMEs in the UK in 2018, which was over 99% of all businesses. Micro-businesses have 0-9 employees.Dec 12, 2018"

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/SN06152%20(1).pdf

The 1.9 million refers to Ltd companies ...........

Interestingly it also shows only 1.4m are employers which puts your 5.6m figure into a clearer perspective. After all, a pelmet knocker up in some garden shed will hardly be contributing £billions to the economy or need to relocate in order to continue business.

Meantime the 'one way traffic' of companies and businesses leaving UK continues.


Eh?..........Put your specs on Bullet .......

There are 5.7 MILLION SME's in the UK who employ up to 250 people ........

Correct....and i've emboldened the important words you are ignoring "up to"...and it clearly states that's from zero (no employees) "up to" 250. My window cleaner falls in the SME bracket. It's only small, medium, and large businesses where the figures are of any significance and there ain't very many of those are there?

The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.

There's a long running thread here listing companies but you won't read any of it and prefer to deny deny deny, so i don't know why i bother putting links up. As far as you're concerned, if told it was dark at 2am in UK you'd claim it was daylight.
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Posted: 22 February 2019 6:34 PM
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It is daft to look at the factual record of past policy if what you want to know is how things may turn out in future. In the words of that finance industry catchphrase: "past performance is no guide to future results". You seem to think it is.

Seeing as we've out performed the likes of Germany since the vote ............
I'd say your Remoaner experts are very poor guide as to what will happen to UK PLC ........

Might be a more convincing argument if you had a range of recognised forecasts all saying Brexit will be economic nirvana!
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Posted: 22 February 2019 7:51 PM
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It is daft to look at the factual record of past policy if what you want to know is how things may turn out in future. In the words of that finance industry catchphrase: "past performance is no guide to future results". You seem to think it is.

Seeing as we've out performed the likes of Germany since the vote ............
I'd say your Remoaner experts are very poor guide as to what will happen to UK PLC ........

Might be a more convincing argument if you had a range of recognised forecasts all saying Brexit will be economic nirvana!


Cant say I ever give much credence to guesstimates ...........

I prefer actuality.........and we're actually doing much better than any of your Remoaner experts predicted ..........

Much to yours and theirs annoyance .........

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Posted: 22 February 2019 7:54 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........



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Posted: 22 February 2019 8:41 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?
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Posted: 22 February 2019 9:16 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

How hard can it be to find just one UK firm that has relocated to the EU? ...........

There's supposed to be hundreds of them? ..........

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Posted: 22 February 2019 9:27 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.
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Posted: 22 February 2019 9:30 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-02-22 9:39 PM
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Posted: 22 February 2019 10:10 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-22 5:49 PM


The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.
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Posted: 23 February 2019 7:52 AM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

I thought you Remoaners said there were hundreds of UK businesses relocating to the EU? ........

So you're just spreading more FAKE NEWS .........





Edited by pelmetman 2019-02-23 7:54 AM
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Posted: 23 February 2019 3:47 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

Quit playing the clown. You got shouty demanding 'so name one', then when it was pointed out you'd already done that by quoting my post, thought you'd try and look clever by using Honda and ignore the one you knew had gone back to an EU country.

You're being flippantly dismissive as though that's irrelevant, ignoring the widely reported media of companies planning to leave or already left UK, due to uncertainties around Brexit. I already know you don't care or give a flying f*ck about people losing their jobs as you've made that very clear on this forum which i find utterly abhorrent.

I'm still waiting for you to show any companies coming to UK 'because of Brexit'....but still nothing.
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Posted: 23 February 2019 7:32 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

Quit playing the clown. You got shouty demanding 'so name one', then when it was pointed out you'd already done that by quoting my post, thought you'd try and look clever by using Honda and ignore the one you knew had gone back to an EU country.

You're being flippantly dismissive as though that's irrelevant, ignoring the widely reported media of companies planning to leave or already left UK, due to uncertainties around Brexit. I already know you don't care or give a flying f*ck about people losing their jobs as you've made that very clear on this forum which i find utterly abhorrent.

I'm still waiting for you to show any companies coming to UK 'because of Brexit'....but still nothing.


Is that it Dumb Dumb???? ..........a German company cutting its overheads because their industry is in the sh*t ........

Surely you can name a few of the hundreds of UK companies who are relocating to the EU? ........

Unless of course you were just spreading FAKE NEWS? .........

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Posted: 23 February 2019 8:24 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

Quit playing the clown. You got shouty demanding 'so name one', then when it was pointed out you'd already done that by quoting my post, thought you'd try and look clever by using Honda and ignore the one you knew had gone back to an EU country.

You're being flippantly dismissive as though that's irrelevant, ignoring the widely reported media of companies planning to leave or already left UK, due to uncertainties around Brexit. I already know you don't care or give a flying f*ck about people losing their jobs as you've made that very clear on this forum which i find utterly abhorrent.

I'm still waiting for you to show any companies coming to UK 'because of Brexit'....but still nothing.


Is that it Dumb Dumb???? .........

No, i've not finished with you by a long way. You're not wriggling off the hook this time.

Please post a link of a company coming to UK "because of Brexit" as i've been asking you numerous times. I'm only seeing 'one way traffic' of businesses leaving UK "due to uncertainties with Brexit". You dispute that and claim it's not true, yet when you're given the opportunity to show business coming here, you can't. What happened to this exodus of companies Brexit would bring to the UK...who and where are they?
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Posted: 23 February 2019 8:44 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

Quit playing the clown. You got shouty demanding 'so name one', then when it was pointed out you'd already done that by quoting my post, thought you'd try and look clever by using Honda and ignore the one you knew had gone back to an EU country.

You're being flippantly dismissive as though that's irrelevant, ignoring the widely reported media of companies planning to leave or already left UK, due to uncertainties around Brexit. I already know you don't care or give a flying f*ck about people losing their jobs as you've made that very clear on this forum which i find utterly abhorrent.

I'm still waiting for you to show any companies coming to UK 'because of Brexit'....but still nothing.


Is that it Dumb Dumb???? .........

No, i've not finished with you by a long way. You're not wriggling off the hook this time.

Please post a link of a company coming to UK "because of Brexit" as i've been asking you numerous times. I'm only seeing 'one way traffic' of businesses leaving UK "due to uncertainties with Brexit". You dispute that and claim it's not true, yet when you're given the opportunity to show business coming here, you can't. What happened to this exodus of companies Brexit would bring to the UK...who and where are they?


I will .........When you come up with the name of a UK company that has relocated to the EU? ........

You've got hundreds to chose from......haven't you? .........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-02-23 8:46 PM
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The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

Quit playing the clown. You got shouty demanding 'so name one', then when it was pointed out you'd already done that by quoting my post, thought you'd try and look clever by using Honda and ignore the one you knew had gone back to an EU country.

You're being flippantly dismissive as though that's irrelevant, ignoring the widely reported media of companies planning to leave or already left UK, due to uncertainties around Brexit. I already know you don't care or give a flying f*ck about people losing their jobs as you've made that very clear on this forum which i find utterly abhorrent.

I'm still waiting for you to show any companies coming to UK 'because of Brexit'....but still nothing.


Is that it Dumb Dumb???? .........

No, i've not finished with you by a long way. You're not wriggling off the hook this time.

Please post a link of a company coming to UK "because of Brexit" as i've been asking you numerous times. I'm only seeing 'one way traffic' of businesses leaving UK "due to uncertainties with Brexit". You dispute that and claim it's not true, yet when you're given the opportunity to show business coming here, you can't. What happened to this exodus of companies Brexit would bring to the UK...who and where are they?


I will .........

Yes you will....so come on, quit avoiding the question. I've given you links but you flatly refuse to open any. Now it's time you answered my question. No more deflections and excuses. I want answers to the below please.

Please post a link of a company coming to UK "because of Brexit" as i've been asking you numerous times.

I'm only seeing 'one way traffic' of businesses leaving UK "due to uncertainties with Brexit". You dispute that and claim it's not true, yet when you're given the opportunity to show business coming here, you can't.

What happened to this exodus of companies Brexit would bring to the UK...who and where are they?
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Posted: 23 February 2019 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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Bulletguy - 2019-02-22 8:41 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-22 7:54 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-22 5:49 PM


The number of companies looking to relocate have been well reported in the media, eg Dutch government have been in talks with over 250 UK companies looking to relocate and 2000 jobs already gone there. Car parts company Schaeffler closed down two UK operations with the loss of almost 600 jobs, Honda announced it's closure this week with the loss of 7,000 jobs in total and the list is growing but you prefer to remain in denial and pretend no jobs or businesses have closed down. You're in a permanent state of denial.


SO NAME ONE! .........There must be hundreds to chose from ..........

You already have by quoting my post but so blinkered in your denial, never even noticed. Have you found any companies upping sticks to relocate to UK 'because of Brexit' yet?


So have they relocated the factory to the EU? ...........Nope .........

Yes.


Really? ............

So where is Honda relocating to? ..........

BTW Japan isn't in the EU ........

Oh .......and they're not a UK firm ...........

Idiot.

Schaeffler said its factories in Plymouth, southwest England, and Llanelli in Wales would close over the next couple of years, with production moving to Germany, China, South Korea and the United States.


Is that it???? ...........

One German owned business shutting factories due to the downturn in the car industry and blaming Brexit ............

Quit playing the clown. You got shouty demanding 'so name one', then when it was pointed out you'd already done that by quoting my post, thought you'd try and look clever by using Honda and ignore the one you knew had gone back to an EU country.

You're being flippantly dismissive as though that's irrelevant, ignoring the widely reported media of companies planning to leave or already left UK, due to uncertainties around Brexit. I already know you don't care or give a flying f*ck about people losing their jobs as you've made that very clear on this forum which i find utterly abhorrent.

I'm still waiting for you to show any companies coming to UK 'because of Brexit'....but still nothing.


Is that it Dumb Dumb???? .........

No, i've not finished with you by a long way. You're not wriggling off the hook this time.

Please post a link of a company coming to UK "because of Brexit" as i've been asking you numerous times. I'm only seeing 'one way traffic' of businesses leaving UK "due to uncertainties with Brexit". You dispute that and claim it's not true, yet when you're given the opportunity to show business coming here, you can't. What happened to this exodus of companies Brexit would bring to the UK...who and where are they?


I will .........

Yes you will....so come on, quit avoiding the question. I've given you links but you flatly refuse to open any. Now it's time you answered my question. No more deflections and excuses. I want answers to the below please.

Please post a link of a company coming to UK "because of Brexit" as i've been asking you numerous times.

I'm only seeing 'one way traffic' of businesses leaving UK "due to uncertainties with Brexit". You dispute that and claim it's not true, yet when you're given the opportunity to show business coming here, you can't.

What happened to this exodus of companies Brexit would bring to the UK...who and where are they?


..........

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Posted: 23 February 2019 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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Is this the best you can come up with for an "answer" to a serious question?
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Posted: 24 February 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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The company I worked for relocated to Poland due cheaper costs long before Brexit was thought about, however the EU will give a grant to open a factory but not to relocate one, so the company opened another firm in Poland.

This new firm undercut ours and a few years later ours went under, but not before the company had received a lot of grants from the EU and the UK to improve and enlarge.

Funnily enough they want to open again in the UK due to Brexit but this time under another name.
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Posted: 24 February 2019 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 
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Paul- - 2019-02-24 11:46 AM

The company I worked for relocated to Poland due cheaper costs long before Brexit was thought about, however the EU will give a grant to open a factory but not to relocate one, so the company opened another firm in Poland.

This new firm undercut ours and a few years later ours went under, but not before the company had received a lot of grants from the EU and the UK to improve and enlarge.

Funnily enough they want to open again in the UK due to Brexit but this time under another name.


EU grants? Like the ones Nissan, Honda etc have got for their UK factories.
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Posted: 24 February 2019 8:54 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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Fast Pat - 2019-02-24 11:56 AM

Paul- - 2019-02-24 11:46 AM

The company I worked for relocated to Poland due cheaper costs long before Brexit was thought about, however the EU will give a grant to open a factory but not to relocate one, so the company opened another firm in Poland.

This new firm undercut ours and a few years later ours went under, but not before the company had received a lot of grants from the EU and the UK to improve and enlarge.

Funnily enough they want to open again in the UK due to Brexit but this time under another name.


EU grants? Like the ones Nissan, Honda etc have got for their UK factories.


They got offered 60 million quid apparently .........

But it appears the EU's FTA is far more profitable ........

I guess they know best eh?.......when it comes down to the bottom line .......

It's just as well our economy isn't based solely on flogging dodgy motors like the EU's bosses is .......





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