Guest pelmetman Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-02-13 8:38 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-09 1:29 PM...………….. We were lied to 40 odd years ago when we were told we could join a Common Market >:-) ......… It is strange that such a serious minded and precocious youth failed to read the papers in 1973, and remained unaware of the nature of the European Economic Community (AKA the Common Market), it origins, and the changes it had already made. We did join, though, so what was the actual lie? Could that now mature youth point to it? That precocious youth has become a belligerent Brexiteer after 46 years experience of EU membership >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-12 9:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-09 1:29 PM HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-08 11:20 AM Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in. Get over it *-) ........... We were lied to 40 odd years ago when we were told we could join a Common Market >:-) ......... The Electoral Commission found the Leave Campaign guilty of electoral fraud in 2016 and subject ot foreign interference..... NOTHING will change that....a democracy would have immediately declared the Referendum void and re-run it without delay ensuring there was no fraud and no foreign interference...these are facts....whist this remains the case the UK cannot be described as a Democracy and Democracy will not be restored until this fraudulent situation has been addressed........I cannot recall the Referendum of 40 years ago being officially found to be fraudulent!! Please post a link to the statement from the Electoral Commission that says the "Referendum was Fraudulent"? :D ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 9:55 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-11 9:18 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 8:36 PM Rubbish.....it ended before you were even born! *-) Seven years before UK to be precise. http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1947-2/end-of-rationing/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/4/newsid_3818000/3818563.stm Yeah like you were there Bullet *-) ........ When was the last time you walked around a Soviet supermarket Bullet? >:-) ........ Just asking you to back up your Bulletsh*t with facts from someone who was there ;-) ........ Oh FGS READ THE DAMN LINKS.....you're as obtuse as your dyslexic boyfriend. As for your claim of 'being in Russia', given your well noted history of making stuff up as you go along, i'm afraid i treat that with the same hilarity when asked which countries you'd been in in 2019, only for you to then do a copy 'n paste job from a list of world countries!! (lol)(lol) Fancy a bet? >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-13 9:01 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 9:55 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-11 9:18 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 8:36 PM Rubbish.....it ended before you were even born! *-) Seven years before UK to be precise. http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1947-2/end-of-rationing/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/4/newsid_3818000/3818563.stm Yeah like you were there Bullet *-) ........ When was the last time you walked around a Soviet supermarket Bullet? >:-) ........ Just asking you to back up your Bulletsh*t with facts from someone who was there ;-) ........ Oh FGS READ THE DAMN LINKS.....you're as obtuse as your dyslexic boyfriend. As for your claim of 'being in Russia', given your well noted history of making stuff up as you go along, i'm afraid i treat that with the same hilarity when asked which countries you'd been in in 2019, only for you to then do a copy 'n paste job from a list of world countries!! (lol)(lol) Fancy a bet? >:-) ........... You shouldn't need to start your boyfriends silly game of calling for bets if you were so cock sure....post up photocopy of the stamps in your Visa and passport. Until you do, then no i don't believe you because you have a long history of making up fairy stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-13 10:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-13 9:01 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 9:55 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-11 9:18 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 8:36 PM Rubbish.....it ended before you were even born! *-) Seven years before UK to be precise. http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1947-2/end-of-rationing/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/4/newsid_3818000/3818563.stm Yeah like you were there Bullet *-) ........ When was the last time you walked around a Soviet supermarket Bullet? >:-) ........ Just asking you to back up your Bulletsh*t with facts from someone who was there ;-) ........ Oh FGS READ THE DAMN LINKS.....you're as obtuse as your dyslexic boyfriend. As for your claim of 'being in Russia', given your well noted history of making stuff up as you go along, i'm afraid i treat that with the same hilarity when asked which countries you'd been in in 2019, only for you to then do a copy 'n paste job from a list of world countries!! (lol)(lol) Fancy a bet? >:-) ........... You shouldn't need to start your boyfriends silly game of calling for bets if you were so cock sure....post up photocopy of the stamps in your Visa and passport. Until you do, then no i don't believe you because you have a long history of making up fairy stories. How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ?...........£1000......£10,000.......£100,000? >:-) ........... Time to put up or shut up Bullet :D ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM Bulletguy - 2019-02-13 10:04 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-13 9:01 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 9:55 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-11 9:18 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-11 8:36 PM Rubbish.....it ended before you were even born! *-) Seven years before UK to be precise. http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1947-2/end-of-rationing/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/4/newsid_3818000/3818563.stm Yeah like you were there Bullet *-) ........ When was the last time you walked around a Soviet supermarket Bullet? >:-) ........ Just asking you to back up your Bulletsh*t with facts from someone who was there ;-) ........ Oh FGS READ THE DAMN LINKS.....you're as obtuse as your dyslexic boyfriend. As for your claim of 'being in Russia', given your well noted history of making stuff up as you go along, i'm afraid i treat that with the same hilarity when asked which countries you'd been in in 2019, only for you to then do a copy 'n paste job from a list of world countries!! (lol)(lol) Fancy a bet? >:-) ........... You shouldn't need to start your boyfriends silly game of calling for bets if you were so cock sure....post up photocopy of the stamps in your Visa and passport. Until you do, then no i don't believe you because you have a long history of making up fairy stories. How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ?...........£1000......£10,000.......£100,000? >:-) ........... Oh so it's now gone from "being in" to just "visited"!!! You having a laugh or what? That's like an overseas sailor boy on a tub mooring at Portsmouth going back to his home country and telling his mates he's "been in Britain"!!!!!! *-) Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... BTW you need to book a year ahead to spend the winter on this crummy campsite :D ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Oh so it's now gone from "being in" to just "visited"!!! You having a laugh or what? That's like an overseas sailor boy on a tub mooring at Portsmouth going back to his home country and telling his mates he's "been in Britain"!!!!!! *-) That's not the view of those of us who were there.......... But don't just take my word for it ;-) .......... ODDESSA By CPO(OPS)EW D. A. Laybourne It was one of those ‘once in a lifetime’ events – the opportunity to visit Russia. A mysterious and yet awe inspiring country. A great deal of preparation was carried out in Grand Harbour, Malta. All the paintwork was renewed. ‘Cosmetic’ being the ‘in’ word. On the Flight Deck stores were being uncrated, whilst the band marched and the drummers beat their way through the debris. Up forward the decks were being scrubbed, watched by the Commander, fully dressed with his telescope under his arm except for his bare feet! No one was allowed to mark those decks once they’d been scrubbed. Eventually, Devonshire arrived at Odessa. The visit coincided with the visit by a Russian destroyer to Portsmouth. The ship berthed stern towards the town and the famous Poteinkin Steps. Directly opposite was a Russian destroyer which was our host ship. That forenoon 30 of us visited the Russian destroyer. We were ushered on to the forecastle where we were given Russian/English language guides. There followed half an hour of chatting and photo taking assisted by the language guides. Then we were escorted down between decks via a carefully chosen route such that there was little to see. The main impression was of narrow passages and low deckheads. One felt that the compartments around were crammed with equipment with little space for the crew. We reached a compartment reminiscent of an empty messdeck. At one end was an orchestra and singers, dressed as sailors. In the centre of the room was a line of tables laid out with food and jugs of fruit juice. Around the bulkheads were pictures of Karl Marx, Lenin and other heros of the Soviet Union, including some sports personalities. In one corner was a table piled high with free literature on communism and other doctrine. There were also advertisements on life in the Russian Army and pictures of operations with satellite countries. Our hosts were young Russian sailors similarly armed with language guides. One got the impression that they were a bit bewildered by the whole thing. In some ways, they could be likened to Boy Seamen from Ganges – fresh faced, fit and just a little ignorant of what life had in store for them. The first treat we had was the orchestra playing some very powerful Russian folk songs sung by their sailors. It all sounded very professional and was very, very good. Next there followed a round of speeches from both sides and then more singing followed. Tours of Devonshire also proved to be very popular as could be seen from the large queues of local people every day. they were very friendly and many could speak some English. Inevitably politics raised its ugly head but the average Russian showed very little interest in it. Teenage girls met teenage sailors just as in any other port. They were very inquisitive, particularly about life in the West. Come the day of departure, there were lots of people to see us off including girls in tears. 1 think everyone had enjoyed the visit particularly as we had been made so very welcome. It was was a very valuable experience – thanks to HMS Devonshire in June, 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D I doubt the Russians saw it that way Brian? Left hand down a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D I reckon HMS Devonshire used to sail in circles around the Isle of Wight - land occasionally - and, each time, tell Dave he was in a different country. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 malc d - 2019-02-14 5:18 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D I reckon HMS Devonshire used to sail in circles around the Isle of Wight - land occasionally - and, each time, tell Dave he was in a different country. ;-) As the Isle of Widget is more sort of diamond shaped sailing around it in a circle would cerainly confuse Naughtycal Dave, and hopefully the Russians too, especially if they switched from clockwise to anti clockwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D In 1976 it was part of the Soviet Union which was commonly referred to as "Russia" Brian *-) ......... From wiki...... "Nominally a union of multiple national Soviet republics, its government and economy were highly centralized. The country was a one-party state, governed by the Communist Party with Moscow as its capital in its largest republic, the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Russian SFSR)." Judging by Putin's actions he intends to make it part of Russia again ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Putin's favourite song. allegedly, - 'Cri me a River.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-14 1:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... I don't go touring for the sole purpose of seeing how long i can be away from the UK.....i tour different countries, something which appears anathema to you. Which begs the question, if so fanatically patriotic.......why do you do your utmost to spend half the year away from a country you claim to 'love' so much? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Because everyone else can. Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D He's looking at it as Ukrainian SSR which politically it was up till 1991 but geographically Odessa has always been a port city of Ukraine, even in the 1970's and the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. Odessa Oblast expanded in 1954 to absorb Izmail Oblast (also known as the Budjak region of Bessarabia), formed in 1940 as a result of the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (from Romania), when Northern and Southern parts of Bessarabia were given to the Ukrainian SSR. Below is a partial map of 1970's Ukraine. Unfortunately the only one i could find is in Cyrillic script and i know Pelmet struggles with our Roman script (them bloody migrants...again....it's their fault we use these funny letters!!), but Odessa is clearly marked. Ignore the green, that's Moldova. The full map can be viewed here; http://expositions.nlr.ru/ex_map/Krim/images/big/18.jpg and some more reading for Pelmet https://www.britannica.com/place/Odessa-Ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 malc d - 2019-02-14 5:18 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D I reckon HMS Devonshire used to sail in circles around the Isle of Wight - land occasionally - and, each time, tell Dave he was in a different country. ;-) He sailed a 15ft dingy through the Bermuda triangle dontcha know. His head has never been right since. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 9:52 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 1:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... I don't go touring for the sole purpose of seeing how long i can be away from the UK.....i tour different countries, something which appears anathema to you. Which begs the question, if so fanatically patriotic.......why do you do your utmost to spend half the year away from a country you claim to 'love' so much? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Because everyone else can. Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D He's looking at it as Ukrainian SSR which politically it was up till 1991 but geographically Odessa has always been a port city of Ukraine, even in the 1970's and the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. Odessa Oblast expanded in 1954 to absorb Izmail Oblast (also known as the Budjak region of Bessarabia), formed in 1940 as a result of the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (from Romania), when Northern and Southern parts of Bessarabia were given to the Ukrainian SSR. Below is a partial map of 1970's Ukraine. Unfortunately the only one i could find is in Cyrillic script and i know Pelmet struggles with our Roman script (them bloody migrants...again....it's their fault we use these funny letters!!), but Odessa is clearly marked. Ignore the green, that's Moldova. The full map can be viewed here; http://expositions.nlr.ru/ex_map/Krim/images/big/18.jpg and some more reading for Pelmet https://www.britannica.com/place/Odessa-Ukraine So like I said Ukraine was part of the USSR commonly known as Russia ;-) ............ Which is why we were guests of the Russian Navy.........Not Ukraine's :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageingandrew Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-12 9:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-09 1:29 PM HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-08 11:20 AM Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in. Get over it *-) ........... We were lied to 40 odd years ago when we were told we could join a Common Market >:-) ......... The Electoral Commission found the Leave Campaign guilty of electoral fraud in 2016 and subject ot foreign interference..... NOTHING will change that....a democracy would have immediately declared the Referendum void and re-run it without delay ensuring there was no fraud and no foreign interference...these are facts....whist this remains the case the UK cannot be described as a Democracy and Democracy will not be restored until this fraudulent situation has been addressed........I cannot recall the Referendum of 40 years ago being officially found to be fraudulent!! Not so and completely wrong. The Electoral commission did not find the Leave campaign guilty of electoral fraud. The electoral commission found them guilty of exceeding spending limits but then admitted that they themselves (the electoral commission) had misinterpreted their own spending rules. There is no evidence of foreign interference highlighted anywhere in the election commission reports so how you can make such sweeping statements with no evidence is beyond me. As for the rest of this diatribe; un-substantiated nonsense; of utter crap; inane bitching; I really don't know why I have bothered to respond to it..... But I did. It makes me wonder whether the 'Remainiacs' would have bitched so much if 'Remain' had won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-15 8:08 AM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 9:52 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 1:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... I don't go touring for the sole purpose of seeing how long i can be away from the UK.....i tour different countries, something which appears anathema to you. Which begs the question, if so fanatically patriotic.......why do you do your utmost to spend half the year away from a country you claim to 'love' so much? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Because everyone else can. Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D He's looking at it as Ukrainian SSR which politically it was up till 1991 but geographically Odessa has always been a port city of Ukraine, even in the 1970's and the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. Odessa Oblast expanded in 1954 to absorb Izmail Oblast (also known as the Budjak region of Bessarabia), formed in 1940 as a result of the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (from Romania), when Northern and Southern parts of Bessarabia were given to the Ukrainian SSR. Below is a partial map of 1970's Ukraine. Unfortunately the only one i could find is in Cyrillic script and i know Pelmet struggles with our Roman script (them bloody migrants...again....it's their fault we use these funny letters!!), but Odessa is clearly marked. Ignore the green, that's Moldova. The full map can be viewed here; http://expositions.nlr.ru/ex_map/Krim/images/big/18.jpg and some more reading for Pelmet https://www.britannica.com/place/Odessa-Ukraine So like I said Ukraine was part of the USSR commonly known as Russia ;-) ............ Politically yes geographically no. It's like claiming Poland as "being in" USSR purely because UK and US [wrongly] 'gave' it to them when allied forces divvied up after the war (read up on Yalta conference). The partial map i posted showing exactly which country Odessa is in should have been enough but click on the jpeg link which shows the entire country. I couldn't post it up as the file size is way too much for OAL and reducing it down makes it impossible to read. The map is 1970's Ukraine.....the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. You're attempting to dispute a geographical fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 ageingandrew - 2019-02-15 11:36 AM HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-12 9:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-09 1:29 PM HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-08 11:20 AM Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in. Get over it *-) ........... We were lied to 40 odd years ago when we were told we could join a Common Market >:-) ......... The Electoral Commission found the Leave Campaign guilty of electoral fraud in 2016 and subject ot foreign interference..... NOTHING will change that....a democracy would have immediately declared the Referendum void and re-run it without delay ensuring there was no fraud and no foreign interference...these are facts....whist this remains the case the UK cannot be described as a Democracy and Democracy will not be restored until this fraudulent situation has been addressed........I cannot recall the Referendum of 40 years ago being officially found to be fraudulent!! Not so and completely wrong. The Electoral commission did not find the Leave campaign guilty of electoral fraud. The electoral commission found them guilty of exceeding spending limits but then admitted that they themselves (the electoral commission) had misinterpreted their own spending rules. There is no evidence of foreign interference highlighted anywhere in the election commission reports so how you can make such sweeping statements with no evidence is beyond me. As for the rest of this diatribe; un-substantiated nonsense; of utter crap; inane bitching; I really don't know why I have bothered to respond to it..... But I did. It makes me wonder whether the 'Remainiacs' would have bitched so much if 'Remain' had won. Vote Leave and BeLeave were running funding through different accounts, similar to money laundering if you like, and BeLeave spent more than £675,000 with Aggregate IQ under a common plan with Vote Leave. Aggregate IQ is a Canadian company so there's your evidence of 'foreign interference' straight away, part of which was the web intertwined through Cambridge Analytica and SCL. False declarations were made and that's electoral fraud. You really should have a listen to Chris Whylie's testimony to MP's. Don't be fooled by his outward appearance, that guy worked with CA as a data consultant and is extremely articulate and intelligent. I'm amazed anyone can still bury their heads over this as the evidence has long been out in the public domain that the Leave campaign actions were a subversion of democracy and quite how anyone can be comfortable with that, i've no idea. As with most Brexiteers you mention "the win" which sadly, appears to be of more importance than valuing and ensuring lawful democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-15 3:24 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-15 8:08 AM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 9:52 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 1:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... I don't go touring for the sole purpose of seeing how long i can be away from the UK.....i tour different countries, something which appears anathema to you. Which begs the question, if so fanatically patriotic.......why do you do your utmost to spend half the year away from a country you claim to 'love' so much? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Because everyone else can. Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D He's looking at it as Ukrainian SSR which politically it was up till 1991 but geographically Odessa has always been a port city of Ukraine, even in the 1970's and the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. Odessa Oblast expanded in 1954 to absorb Izmail Oblast (also known as the Budjak region of Bessarabia), formed in 1940 as a result of the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (from Romania), when Northern and Southern parts of Bessarabia were given to the Ukrainian SSR. Below is a partial map of 1970's Ukraine. Unfortunately the only one i could find is in Cyrillic script and i know Pelmet struggles with our Roman script (them bloody migrants...again....it's their fault we use these funny letters!!), but Odessa is clearly marked. Ignore the green, that's Moldova. The full map can be viewed here; http://expositions.nlr.ru/ex_map/Krim/images/big/18.jpg and some more reading for Pelmet https://www.britannica.com/place/Odessa-Ukraine So like I said Ukraine was part of the USSR commonly known as Russia ;-) ............ Politically yes geographically no. It's like claiming Poland as "being in" USSR purely because UK and US [wrongly] 'gave' it to them when allied forces divvied up after the war (read up on Yalta conference). The partial map i posted showing exactly which country Odessa is in should have been enough but click on the jpeg link which shows the entire country. I couldn't post it up as the file size is way too much for OAL and reducing it down makes it impossible to read. The map is 1970's Ukraine.....the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. You're attempting to dispute a geographical fact. Rubbish the USSR was ruled from Moscow *-) ............. Your argument is like saying Wales isn't part of Britain (lol) ......... Except Wales has far more autonomy than the Ukraine did in 1976 >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-15 4:02 PM ageingandrew - 2019-02-15 11:36 AM HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-12 9:13 AM pelmetman - 2019-02-09 1:29 PM HarveyHeaven - 2019-02-08 11:20 AM Brexit is wrong it was won illegally promoted by a totally right wing press and Tory owned BBC...it is not possible to have considered discussion in relation to Brexit...where do you start....it was fraudulent and nothing can change that, it was won illegally.... the UK Government is corrupt .....the UK is fast becomming a dictatorship and the future is bleak...whatever the outcome of this particular corrupt event the UK will never be the same again. We know those who voted Brexit were lied to but sadly they know it now too but still support the corruption. Treaties and responsibilities are being broken without a thought for the consequences. The Tory Government are happily passing laws which result in the deaths of thousands of people in utter misery, poverty is rife....Victorian diseases realted to poverty have returned to the UK...homelessness is at an all time high with people in wheelchairs being made homeless and dying on the streets, the NHS is being totally destroyed to justify selling it off, hundreds of thousands of children are now living in poverty and temporary accommodation relying on food banks to stave off starvation, but the right wing press and the BBC remain stum......Democracy is dead and will remain so until some level honour is restored aided and a betted by an impartial media who will report the true state of affairs the country is now in. Get over it *-) ........... We were lied to 40 odd years ago when we were told we could join a Common Market >:-) ......... The Electoral Commission found the Leave Campaign guilty of electoral fraud in 2016 and subject ot foreign interference..... NOTHING will change that....a democracy would have immediately declared the Referendum void and re-run it without delay ensuring there was no fraud and no foreign interference...these are facts....whist this remains the case the UK cannot be described as a Democracy and Democracy will not be restored until this fraudulent situation has been addressed........I cannot recall the Referendum of 40 years ago being officially found to be fraudulent!! Not so and completely wrong. The Electoral commission did not find the Leave campaign guilty of electoral fraud. The electoral commission found them guilty of exceeding spending limits but then admitted that they themselves (the electoral commission) had misinterpreted their own spending rules. There is no evidence of foreign interference highlighted anywhere in the election commission reports so how you can make such sweeping statements with no evidence is beyond me. As for the rest of this diatribe; un-substantiated nonsense; of utter crap; inane bitching; I really don't know why I have bothered to respond to it..... But I did. It makes me wonder whether the 'Remainiacs' would have bitched so much if 'Remain' had won. Vote Leave and BeLeave were running funding through different accounts, similar to money laundering if you like, and BeLeave spent more than £675,000 with Aggregate IQ under a common plan with Vote Leave. Aggregate IQ is a Canadian company so there's your evidence of 'foreign interference' straight away, part of which was the web intertwined through Cambridge Analytica and SCL. False declarations were made and that's electoral fraud. You really should have a listen to Chris Whylie's testimony to MP's. Don't be fooled by his outward appearance, that guy worked with CA as a data consultant and is extremely articulate and intelligent. I'm amazed anyone can still bury their heads over this as the evidence has long been out in the public domain that the Leave campaign actions were a subversion of democracy and quite how anyone can be comfortable with that, i've no idea. As with most Brexiteers you mention "the win" which sadly, appears to be of more importance than valuing and ensuring lawful democracy. Curiously you Remoaners are happy to bury your heads about the 9 million of taxpayers dosh he spent on your campaign *-) .......... RUDDY REMOANER HYPOCRITES >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-15 4:11 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-15 3:24 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-15 8:08 AM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 9:52 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 1:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... I don't go touring for the sole purpose of seeing how long i can be away from the UK.....i tour different countries, something which appears anathema to you. Which begs the question, if so fanatically patriotic.......why do you do your utmost to spend half the year away from a country you claim to 'love' so much? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Because everyone else can. Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D He's looking at it as Ukrainian SSR which politically it was up till 1991 but geographically Odessa has always been a port city of Ukraine, even in the 1970's and the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. Odessa Oblast expanded in 1954 to absorb Izmail Oblast (also known as the Budjak region of Bessarabia), formed in 1940 as a result of the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (from Romania), when Northern and Southern parts of Bessarabia were given to the Ukrainian SSR. Below is a partial map of 1970's Ukraine. Unfortunately the only one i could find is in Cyrillic script and i know Pelmet struggles with our Roman script (them bloody migrants...again....it's their fault we use these funny letters!!), but Odessa is clearly marked. Ignore the green, that's Moldova. The full map can be viewed here; http://expositions.nlr.ru/ex_map/Krim/images/big/18.jpg and some more reading for Pelmet https://www.britannica.com/place/Odessa-Ukraine So like I said Ukraine was part of the USSR commonly known as Russia ;-) ............ Politically yes geographically no. It's like claiming Poland as "being in" USSR purely because UK and US [wrongly] 'gave' it to them when allied forces divvied up after the war (read up on Yalta conference). The partial map i posted showing exactly which country Odessa is in should have been enough but click on the jpeg link which shows the entire country. I couldn't post it up as the file size is way too much for OAL and reducing it down makes it impossible to read. The map is 1970's Ukraine.....the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. You're attempting to dispute a geographical fact. Rubbish the USSR was ruled from Moscow *-) ............. Your argument is like saying Wales isn't part of Britain (lol) ......... It's not an "argument" though Dave, you cannot dispute a geographical fact of the location of Odessa. Will you do yourself a favour by looking at that 1970's map of Ukraine (the full jpeg i linked) as i know you haven't looked at it? Even though all the place names are in Cyrillic, it's very easy to see the location of Odessa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-02-15 4:39 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-15 4:11 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-15 3:24 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-15 8:08 AM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 9:52 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 1:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-14 1:00 PM Your idea of seeing and being in a country is very different to that of mine. Lets face it, you sit on some crummy campsite in Calpe half the year!!!! (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) Which is a lot longer than you spend anywhere ;-) ........... I don't go touring for the sole purpose of seeing how long i can be away from the UK.....i tour different countries, something which appears anathema to you. Which begs the question, if so fanatically patriotic.......why do you do your utmost to spend half the year away from a country you claim to 'love' so much? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Because everyone else can. Brian Kirby - 2019-02-14 4:35 PM pelmetman - 2019-02-14 8:56 AM...…………………...How much would you like to bet that I wasn't on HMS Devonshire when she visited Odessa in Russia in 1976 ? Er, its in Ukraine, Dave. Not another of those embarrassing navy lark errors, surely! :-D He's looking at it as Ukrainian SSR which politically it was up till 1991 but geographically Odessa has always been a port city of Ukraine, even in the 1970's and the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. Odessa Oblast expanded in 1954 to absorb Izmail Oblast (also known as the Budjak region of Bessarabia), formed in 1940 as a result of the Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (from Romania), when Northern and Southern parts of Bessarabia were given to the Ukrainian SSR. Below is a partial map of 1970's Ukraine. Unfortunately the only one i could find is in Cyrillic script and i know Pelmet struggles with our Roman script (them bloody migrants...again....it's their fault we use these funny letters!!), but Odessa is clearly marked. Ignore the green, that's Moldova. The full map can be viewed here; http://expositions.nlr.ru/ex_map/Krim/images/big/18.jpg and some more reading for Pelmet https://www.britannica.com/place/Odessa-Ukraine So like I said Ukraine was part of the USSR commonly known as Russia ;-) ............ Politically yes geographically no. It's like claiming Poland as "being in" USSR purely because UK and US [wrongly] 'gave' it to them when allied forces divvied up after the war (read up on Yalta conference). The partial map i posted showing exactly which country Odessa is in should have been enough but click on the jpeg link which shows the entire country. I couldn't post it up as the file size is way too much for OAL and reducing it down makes it impossible to read. The map is 1970's Ukraine.....the nearest Russian border is almost 500 miles away. You're attempting to dispute a geographical fact. Rubbish the USSR was ruled from Moscow *-) ............. Your argument is like saying Wales isn't part of Britain (lol) ......... It's not an "argument" though Dave, you cannot dispute a geographical fact of the location of Odessa. Will you do yourself a favour by looking at that 1970's map of Ukraine (the full jpeg i linked) as i know you haven't looked at it? Even though all the place names are in Cyrillic, it's very easy to see the location of Odessa. The thing is Paul .........I know where Odessa is as I went there :D ........... I also know it was very much part of Russia as it was home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet .........I also know that at the time they were at least 30 years behind the times back then ;-) ..........and they still had rationing 8-) ....... Perhaps you should rethink your hero worship of all things leftist? :D .......... Coz as we can see from Venezuela they can even f*ck up a oil rich country 8-) 8-) 8-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-02-15 4:49 PM Bulletguy - 2019-02-15 4:39 PM It's not an "argument" though Dave, you cannot dispute a geographical fact of the location of Odessa. Will you do yourself a favour by looking at that 1970's map of Ukraine (the full jpeg i linked) as i know you haven't looked at it? Even though all the place names are in Cyrillic, it's very easy to see the location of Odessa. The thing is Paul .........I know where Odessa is as I went there :D ........... I also know it was very much part of Russia as it was home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet ....... Sorry but you're still attempting to 'move' the geographical location of a city out of one country to another. Have you actually looked at that map? You haven't have you? I know why you won't but please open it (the large jpeg i linked) and then tell me the name of the country you see Odessa marked. The Black Sea Fleet base is Sevastopol Crimea, one of the reasons for it's recent annexation from Ukraine by Russia but thats a convenient deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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