antony1969 Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:32 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-10 4:20 PM Sometimes it makes much more sense not to post ... Think about that next time. Looks like you've run out of arguments to make now then. Wow.... that's a turn up for the books. (lol) No it was just a little hint ... You've obviously not taken it ... Your amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-10 5:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:32 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-10 4:20 PM Sometimes it makes much more sense not to post ... Think about that next time. Looks like you've run out of arguments to make now then. Wow.... that's a turn up for the books. (lol) Your amazing. Appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:19 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-10 2:50 PM John52 - 2018-03-10 10:38 AM Yep Corbyn voted to sit down with a cup of tea instead of supplying Iraq with weapons and then illegally invading them - the root cause of North Korean going Nuclear. :-( Jeezus where was JC when Hitler was here >:-) ......... Just askin :D ...... Corbyn wasn't born until 1949. That help answer your daft question? *-) So if he had you think he would of prevented WW2? ;-) ......... Just askin? >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-10 6:28 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:19 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-10 2:50 PM John52 - 2018-03-10 10:38 AM Yep Corbyn voted to sit down with a cup of tea instead of supplying Iraq with weapons and then illegally invading them - the root cause of North Korean going Nuclear. :-( Jeezus where was JC when Hitler was here >:-) ......... Just askin :D ...... Corbyn wasn't born until 1949. That help answer your daft question? *-) So if he had you think he would of prevented WW2? ;-) ......... Just askin? >:-) ........ Seeing as nobody, not even Churchill, had the accolade of preventing ww2, i fail too see any logic in your stupid analogy. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 6:22 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-10 5:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:32 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-10 4:20 PM Sometimes it makes much more sense not to post ... Think about that next time. Looks like you've run out of arguments to make now then. Wow.... that's a turn up for the books. (lol) Your amazing. Appreciated. Unlike your input on here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-10 6:28 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:19 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-10 2:50 PM John52 - 2018-03-10 10:38 AM Yep Corbyn voted to sit down with a cup of tea instead of supplying Iraq with weapons and then illegally invading them - the root cause of North Korean going Nuclear. :-( Jeezus where was JC when Hitler was here >:-) ......... Just askin :D ...... Corbyn wasn't born until 1949. That help answer your daft question? *-) So if he had you think he would of prevented WW2? ;-) ......... Just askin? >:-) ........ Seeing as nobody, not even Churchill, had the accolade of preventing ww2, i fail too see any logic in your stupid analogy. *-) Well you wouldn't would you Dum Dum ;-) ......... But if he couldn't stop WW2 how is he going to make the trains run on time (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... At least we won 2 world wars under the Liberals and the Tories ;-) ....... Labours only ever managed to start wars and f*ck up the trains >:-) .......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Beeching Progress eh? (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-10 7:20 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-10 6:28 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 4:19 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-10 2:50 PM John52 - 2018-03-10 10:38 AM Yep Corbyn voted to sit down with a cup of tea instead of supplying Iraq with weapons and then illegally invading them - the root cause of North Korean going Nuclear. :-( Jeezus where was JC when Hitler was here >:-) ......... Just askin :D ...... Corbyn wasn't born until 1949. That help answer your daft question? *-) So if he had you think he would of prevented WW2? ;-) ......... Just askin? >:-) ........ Seeing as nobody, not even Churchill, had the accolade of preventing ww2, i fail too see any logic in your stupid analogy. *-) Well you wouldn't would you Dum Dum ;-) . You've been making this crap up as you go along. But if he couldn't stop WW2 how is he going to make the trains run on time (lol) (lol) (lol) . I look forward to an explanation as to WTF 'running trains on time' has to do with ww2??? :-S:-S At least we won 2 world wars under the Liberals and the Tories ;-) ....... Labours only ever managed to start wars. That's funny. I hope you have a very credible explanation and please.....do try making it sensible, explanation as to why just two...yes 2 Tory MP's voted against the illegal invasion of Iraq, where 84 Labour MP's voted against?? .....and f*ck up the trains >:-) .......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Beeching Progress eh? (lol) ........ "F*ck up the trains"??? Your lot sold off the entire damn network to "get rich quick" merchants. Best of all........you allowed foreign investment so the majority of rolling stock is now manufactured and owned by those countries you despise so much!! *-) *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Yes Bullet we know ... https://twitter.com/GrizzleMeister/status/972632438437548032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 9:26 PM "F*ck up the trains"??? Your lot sold off the entire damn network to "get rich quick" merchants. Best of all........you allowed foreign investment so the majority of rolling stock is now manufactured and owned by those countries you despise so much!! *-) *-) Seems to me as a UK stealth taxpayer and very occasional train user, the perfect solution using someone else to pay for our trains B-) ............ I remember using the trains when they were state owned 8-) .........and the unions did their best to f*ck up the trains on a regular basis >:-)......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-11 8:15 AM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 9:26 PM "F*ck up the trains"??? Your lot sold off the entire damn network to "get rich quick" merchants. Best of all........you allowed foreign investment so the majority of rolling stock is now manufactured and owned by those countries you despise so much!! *-) *-) Seems to me as a UK stealth taxpayer and very occasional train user, the perfect solution using someone else to pay for our trains B-) ............ I remember using the trains when they were state owned 8-) .........and the unions did their best to f*ck up the trains on a regular basis >:-)......... If you could look beyond the daily mail you would see taxpayers are paying bigger subsidies since privatisation - despite the extortionate fares. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/16/rail-operators-200m-dividends-subsidy And those are only the direct subsidies - doesn't take account of all the indirect costs like road users having to stop and wait for trains at level crossings. British Rail took over a railway that had been worn out by the war effort. They hung on to less efficient steam trains for too long but in the National Interest because it helped the balance of payments (we had coal but no oil) and helped employment (we had the facilities to build and maintain steam but not diesel) Private companies have no such handicaps, took over a modernised slimmed down network, and got bigger taxpayers subsidies to run a more expensive service >:-) Just compare the greed of the Trade Unions to the greed of the Railway company bosses >:-) Or get on a state owned train in the EU and compare the fares and service with Britains privatised and subsidised railways >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-03-11 8:44 AM Just compare the greed of the Trade Unions to the greed of the Railway company bosses >:-) Yeah they've made so much money they're giving back the golden goose >:-) ........ http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42945709 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-11 9:50 AM John52 - 2018-03-11 8:44 AM Just compare the greed of the Trade Unions to the greed of the Railway company bosses >:-) Yeah they've made so much money they're giving back the golden goose >:-) ........ http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42945709 Nope they are keeping the Golden Goose and handing the mess they have made back to the taxpayer - again. I can't really improve on the top 2 rated comments.... Not normally someone who thinks privatisation is a bad thing but this is just daft. A company goes belly up running this franchise, the government take control and make a really good, profit making fist of it, they then flog it off to Stagecoach who then screw it up BUT can still run the West Coast line and bid for other services. This is economics of the madhouse. When it was renationalised as East Coast it did a good job - do that again and break Stagfecoach's near monopoly which has done a good job for shareholders perhaps, but not for the travelling public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-03-11 10:11 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 9:50 AM John52 - 2018-03-11 8:44 AM Just compare the greed of the Trade Unions to the greed of the Railway company bosses >:-) Yeah they've made so much money they're giving back the golden goose >:-) ........ http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42945709 Nope they are keeping the Golden Goose and handing the mess they have made back to the taxpayer - again. I can't really improve on the top 2 rated comments.... Not normally someone who thinks privatisation is a bad thing but this is just daft. A company goes belly up running this franchise, the government take control and make a really good, profit making fist of it, they then flog it off to Stagecoach who then screw it up BUT can still run the West Coast line and bid for other services. This is economics of the madhouse. When it was renationalised as East Coast it did a good job - do that again and break Stagfecoach's near monopoly which has done a good job for shareholders perhaps, but not for the travelling public. My you loony lefties do like to spin the facts dont you Peter ;-) ........ "The Government argues that Britain’s railways have been transformed under privatisation and are now carrying record numbers of passengers, when the industry was once in decline. A spokesman for the DfT said: “The amount of money East Coast returns to the government has nothing to do with whether it is privately or publicly run. “For example, East Coast currently runs older trains and operates fewer services than West Coast, its nearest competitor. Therefore its costs are lower and it is able to return more money to Government. “We’re addressing that by investing in brand new trains and hundreds of millions of pounds worth of improvements to stations and track. A strong private-sector partner will be best placed to build on that investment and deliver more frequent, comfortable and reliable services for passengers along the route.” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/11085643/State-owned-train-company-returns-217m-to-taxpayers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-11 10:28 AM John52 - 2018-03-11 10:11 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 9:50 AM John52 - 2018-03-11 8:44 AM Just compare the greed of the Trade Unions to the greed of the Railway company bosses >:-) Yeah they've made so much money they're giving back the golden goose >:-) ........ http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42945709 Nope they are keeping the Golden Goose and handing the mess they have made back to the taxpayer - again. I can't really improve on the top 2 rated comments.... Not normally someone who thinks privatisation is a bad thing but this is just daft. A company goes belly up running this franchise, the government take control and make a really good, profit making fist of it, they then flog it off to Stagecoach who then screw it up BUT can still run the West Coast line and bid for other services. This is economics of the madhouse. When it was renationalised as East Coast it did a good job - do that again and break Stagfecoach's near monopoly which has done a good job for shareholders perhaps, but not for the travelling public. My you loony lefties do like to spin the facts dont you Peter ;-) ........ "The Government argues that Britain’s railways have been transformed under privatisation and are now carrying record numbers of passengers, when the industry was once in decline. A spokesman for the DfT said: “The amount of money East Coast returns to the government has nothing to do with whether it is privately or publicly run. “For example, East Coast currently runs older trains and operates fewer services than West Coast, its nearest competitor. Therefore its costs are lower and it is able to return more money to Government. “We’re addressing that by investing in brand new trains and hundreds of millions of pounds worth of improvements to stations and track. A strong private-sector partner will be best placed to build on that investment and deliver more frequent, comfortable and reliable services for passengers along the route.” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/11085643/State-owned-train-company-returns-217m-to-taxpayers.html Straight from the Torygraph whose owners live in a Tax haven under threat by the EU and Jeremy Corbyn. If those are your sources I can see we are going to have to back to basics here. Some routes are more profitable than others, so the Government taxes some and subsidises others ( a recipe for corruption) Overall the taxpayer loses (as usual) as the Taxpayer pays more to tyhe rail companies than it gets back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 word missing from my post again - should of course read go back to basics. This PC is running even slower than I can type. Must be all the taps Her Majesty's spooks at GCHQ have put on it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-03-11 10:40 AM Straight from the Torygraph whose owners live in a Tax haven under threat by the EU and Jeremy Corbyn. If those are your sources I can see we are going to have to back to basics here. Some routes are more profitable than others, so the Government taxes some and subsidises others ( a recipe for corruption) Overall the taxpayer loses (as usual) as the Taxpayer pays more to tyhe rail companies than it gets back. So the government wouldn't be paying even more if it was run by the unions? *-) ......... Which it effectively will be if Corbyn gets his way :-| ..........and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-03-11 8:44 AM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 8:15 AM Bulletguy - 2018-03-10 9:26 PM "F*ck up the trains"??? Your lot sold off the entire damn network to "get rich quick" merchants. Best of all........you allowed foreign investment so the majority of rolling stock is now manufactured and owned by those countries you despise so much!! *-) *-) Seems to me as a UK stealth taxpayer and very occasional train user, the perfect solution using someone else to pay for our trains B-) ............ I remember using the trains when they were state owned 8-) .........and the unions did their best to f*ck up the trains on a regular basis >:-)......... If you could look beyond the daily mail you would see taxpayers are paying bigger subsidies since privatisation - despite the extortionate fares. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/16/rail-operators-200m-dividends-subsidy And those are only the direct subsidies - doesn't take account of all the indirect costs like road users having to stop and wait for trains at level crossings. British Rail took over a railway that had been worn out by the war effort. They hung on to less efficient steam trains for too long but in the National Interest because it helped the balance of payments (we had coal but no oil) and helped employment (we had the facilities to build and maintain steam but not diesel) Private companies have no such handicaps, took over a modernised slimmed down network, and got bigger taxpayers subsidies to run a more expensive service >:-) Just compare the greed of the Trade Unions to the greed of the Railway company bosses >:-) Or get on a state owned train in the EU and compare the fares and service with Britains privatised and subsidised railways >:-) Spot on.. But then as he admitted himself to being, "a very occasional train user".......Pelmetplonker wouldn't be able to comprehend any of that at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM ...and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Yep. The British Rail 'bruvers' were the greatest traveling classes - they went everywhere they could on the train because they and their families got free passage as a perk of the job. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM So the government wouldn't be paying even more if it was run by the unions? *-) ......... Well it wasn't last time it was in public ownership. Not saying being managed by civil servants was highly efficient. But having one single management (however bad) was better than 2000+ un-coordinated private sector companies with their overpaid bosses all trying to milk the system and blame each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 John52 - 2018-03-11 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM ...and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Yep. The British Rail 'bruvers' were the greatest traveling classes - they went everywhere they could on the train because they and their families got free passage as a perk of the job. :-D Thats right you'd have whole areas taken up on trains by whole families whose father worked for British Rail and got a family pass for nothing and paying customers couldn't get on because of em ... Happy days ... I knew someone very well that worked on British Rail maintenance team and he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense of course ... The good old days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-11 6:26 PM John52 - 2018-03-11 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM ...and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Yep. The British Rail 'bruvers' were the greatest traveling classes - they went everywhere they could on the train because they and their families got free passage as a perk of the job. :-D Thats right you'd have whole areas taken up on trains by whole families whose father worked for British Rail and got a family pass for nothing and paying customers couldn't get on because of em ... Happy days ... I knew someone very well that worked on British Rail maintenance team and he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense of course ... The good old days. So you were receiving stolen goods which makes you no better than the thieving scumbag. Admitting it and cockily boasting about it being "good days" just makes it worse. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-11 6:53 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-11 6:26 PM John52 - 2018-03-11 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM ...and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Yep. The British Rail 'bruvers' were the greatest traveling classes - they went everywhere they could on the train because they and their families got free passage as a perk of the job. :-D Thats right you'd have whole areas taken up on trains by whole families whose father worked for British Rail and got a family pass for nothing and paying customers couldn't get on because of em ... Happy days ... I knew someone very well that worked on British Rail maintenance team and he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense of course ... The good old days. So you were receiving stolen goods which makes you no better than the thieving scumbag. Admitting it and cockily boasting about it being "good days" just makes it worse. :-( Oh your shocking me ... They were stolen !!! ... Give up I never knew ... Well ... I thought we were purchasing used items ... Love to see some proof that I knew they were stolen and that then made me "no better than the thieving scumbag" ... You can prove that can't ya ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-11 6:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-11 6:53 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-11 6:26 PM John52 - 2018-03-11 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM ...and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Yep. The British Rail 'bruvers' were the greatest traveling classes - they went everywhere they could on the train because they and their families got free passage as a perk of the job. :-D Thats right you'd have whole areas taken up on trains by whole families whose father worked for British Rail and got a family pass for nothing and paying customers couldn't get on because of em ... Happy days ... I knew someone very well that worked on British Rail maintenance team and he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense of course ... The good old days. So you were receiving stolen goods which makes you no better than the thieving scumbag. Admitting it and cockily boasting about it being "good days" just makes it worse. :-( Oh your shocking me ... They were stolen !!! ... Give up I never knew ... Well ... I thought we were purchasing used items ... Love to see some proof that I knew they were stolen and that then made me "no better than the thieving scumbag" ... You can prove that can't ya ??? That's not what you said. You said "he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense.." Had you purchased them legitimately 1) you'd have receipts and vat records, and 2) you wouldn't have felt the urge to openly boast about receiving goods from a BR employee "all at the taxpayers expense". You dropped a clanger by posting that so don't try back tracking. It's too late for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-03-11 7:36 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-11 6:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-11 6:53 PM antony1969 - 2018-03-11 6:26 PM John52 - 2018-03-11 5:28 PM pelmetman - 2018-03-11 12:09 PM ...and we all know what the bruvers fink of the travelling classes >:-) ....... Yep. The British Rail 'bruvers' were the greatest traveling classes - they went everywhere they could on the train because they and their families got free passage as a perk of the job. :-D Thats right you'd have whole areas taken up on trains by whole families whose father worked for British Rail and got a family pass for nothing and paying customers couldn't get on because of em ... Happy days ... I knew someone very well that worked on British Rail maintenance team and he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense of course ... The good old days. So you were receiving stolen goods which makes you no better than the thieving scumbag. Admitting it and cockily boasting about it being "good days" just makes it worse. :-( Oh your shocking me ... They were stolen !!! ... Give up I never knew ... Well ... I thought we were purchasing used items ... Love to see some proof that I knew they were stolen and that then made me "no better than the thieving scumbag" ... You can prove that can't ya ??? That's not what you said. You said "he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense.." Had you purchased them legitimately 1) you'd have receipts and vat records, and 2) you wouldn't have felt the urge to openly boast about receiving goods from a BR employee "all at the taxpayers expense". You dropped a clanger by posting that so don't try back tracking. It's too late for that. British Rail was paid for by the British taxpayer wasn't it ??? Maybe Im wrong ... So everything sold if at a loss or purchased was at the British tax payers expense wasn't it ??? ... Talking of receipts we must check up on that as I don't think he ever forwarded us the promised paperwork ... Why he wouldn't accept a cheque i'll never know .... "Its too late" could be how you'd describe the running of the trains under BR ... Anyway back on topic you can back up your claim I knew the goods were stolen can't you , its only the second time Ive asked you for proof ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-03-11 7:48 PM Bulletguy - 2018-03-11 7:36 PM That's not what you said. You said "he supplied us with many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense.." Had you purchased them legitimately 1) you'd have receipts and vat records, and 2) you wouldn't have felt the urge to openly boast about receiving goods from a BR employee "all at the taxpayers expense". You dropped a clanger by posting that so don't try back tracking. It's too late for that. British Rail was paid for by the British taxpayer wasn't it ??? Maybe Im wrong ... So everything sold if at a loss or purchased was at the British tax payers expense wasn't it ??? ... Talking of receipts we must check up on that as I don't think he ever forwarded us the promised paperwork ... Why he wouldn't accept a cheque i'll never know .... You're being totally disingenuous and it's looking very silly now. You openly boasted in your previous post about receiving "many things , lead , stone , power tools and so on all at the taxpayers expense" from a BR maintenance employee and quipped about it being "the good old days". So either you did..........or were simply cooking up a wild untruthful story. Rather than blindly blunder on making it worse than you already have, i'd suggest you go for the easy way out by admitting the latter. I know that's hard for you and a harsh lesson, but you have to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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