Brian Kirby Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Fortunately, not Trump! :-D The EU is not a country, it is a gathering of 28 nation states bound together by a succession of treaties. It is not federal, as is the USA, so it's president is just the top administrator, not a combination of Chairman and Chief Executive. Have a look at Wikipedia or Europa for the other info, I'm sure it will be there. Its what I do when I want facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM Does Germany seek to advantage Germany in its involvement with the EU institutions? Of course, but so do the other member states. I'm glad you admit it >:-) ...............and what chance do other states like the UK have of influencing decisions when all the EU top jobs are held by Germans? *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM So, in simple fact, it is not possible for Germany to "run" the EU. Unfortunately the reality proves it is not only possible but a fact *-) .......... Why else would Mrs May go to Merkel to discuss the Chequers agreement rather than Brussels? >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 7:26 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM So, in simple fact, it is not possible for Germany to "run" the EU. Unfortunately the reality proves it is not only possible but a fact *-) .......... Why else would Mrs May go to Merkel to discuss the Chequers agreement rather than Brussels? >:-) ....... If you got your news from a better comic you'd know she's just doing the rounds. :-D Merkel was just the first. She's actually trying to do what all the other leaders do, build alliances around the EU so that those actually in control, (the 28 states) tell the Commission what they want it to do. You just don't understand how the EU actually works, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 8:00 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 7:26 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM So, in simple fact, it is not possible for Germany to "run" the EU. Unfortunately the reality proves it is not only possible but a fact *-) .......... Why else would Mrs May go to Merkel to discuss the Chequers agreement rather than Brussels? >:-) ....... If you got your news from a better comic you'd know she's just doing the rounds. :-D Merkel was just the first. She's actually trying to do what all the other leaders do, build alliances around the EU so that those actually in control, (the 28 states) tell the Commission what they want it to do. You just don't understand how the EU actually works, do you? Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 8:00 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 7:26 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM So, in simple fact, it is not possible for Germany to "run" the EU. Unfortunately the reality proves it is not only possible but a fact *-) .......... Why else would Mrs May go to Merkel to discuss the Chequers agreement rather than Brussels? >:-) ....... If you got your news from a better comic you'd know she's just doing the rounds. :-D Merkel was just the first. She's actually trying to do what all the other leaders do, build alliances around the EU so that those actually in control, (the 28 states) tell the Commission what they want it to do. You just don't understand how the EU actually works, do you? Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Ouch ... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) At least my bias is based on probability ;-) ........... Where as you Remoaners put your EU blinkers on when you don't want to see the blindingly obvious *-) ........... You'll be telling me next Junker has sciatica (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Maybe you could point out something similar to all our Remoaners ... They actually dont know what will happen once we leave , what deal we will leave with if any , what deal we'll strike up if any etc etc but it doesn't seem to stop em telling us exactly whats guna happen now does it ( they dont actually KNOW what will happen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Illusions, conjecture and supposition is good enough to satisfy Brexiters like Pelmet. That's why it was so easy to sell them the lies of Brexit.....as Dominic Cummings openly admitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:43 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Illusions, conjecture and supposition is good enough to satisfy Brexiters like Pelmet. That's why it was so easy to sell them the lies of Brexit.....as Dominic Cummings openly admitted. Where as all those Remoaner "Experts" have proved to be so accurate (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-07-21 12:24 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Maybe you could point out something similar to all our Remoaners ... They actually dont know what will happen once we leave , what deal we will leave with if any , what deal we'll strike up if any etc etc but it doesn't seem to stop em telling us exactly whats guna happen now does it (they dont actually KNOW what will happen) Except you.........antony1969 - 2018-07-19 8:05 PM Yes please ... No deal ... Lets not wait 253 days for it though ... C'mon But when asked what you think leaving the EU with no deal meant......you went strangely quiet and never managed a reply. Very odd for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:47 PM Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:43 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Illusions, conjecture and supposition is good enough to satisfy Brexiters like Pelmet. That's why it was so easy to sell them the lies of Brexit.....as Dominic Cummings openly admitted. Where as all those Remoaner "Experts" have proved to be so accurate (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Yes.....and Cummings practically admitted as much in his blog (it's very long so i know you haven't read it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:52 PM antony1969 - 2018-07-21 12:24 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Maybe you could point out something similar to all our Remoaners ... They actually dont know what will happen once we leave , what deal we will leave with if any , what deal we'll strike up if any etc etc but it doesn't seem to stop em telling us exactly whats guna happen now does it (they dont actually KNOW what will happen) Except you.........antony1969 - 2018-07-19 8:05 PM Yes please ... No deal ... Lets not wait 253 days for it though ... C'mon But when asked what you think leaving the EU with no deal meant......you went strangely quiet and never managed a reply. Very odd for you. Very odd for you that you've missed my reply , with your obsession for me you normally time how long it takes me to reply ... Blind rage makes one blind I presume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:56 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:47 PM Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:43 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Illusions, conjecture and supposition is good enough to satisfy Brexiters like Pelmet. That's why it was so easy to sell them the lies of Brexit.....as Dominic Cummings openly admitted. Where as all those Remoaner "Experts" have proved to be so accurate (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Yes.....and Cummings practically admitted as much in his blog (it's very long so i know you haven't read it). Remind me...... which of these Remoaner "expert" predictions has come true? ;-) ........... Did we have an immediate recession? ........ Did we suffer wholesale job losses?........ Did we have a punishment budget?......... Did we get put at the back of the queue for US trade talks?........ Did Brexit cause the end of Western civilisation?........ Just askin >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 3:00 PM Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:56 PM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 12:47 PM Bulletguy - 2018-07-21 12:43 PM malc d - 2018-07-21 11:23 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 11:09 AM malc d - 2018-07-21 9:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ Speculation about what Theresa May talked to Angela Merkel about, in the Spectator, is no more valid than any other speculation. :-| I doubt she went there for any other reason *-) ................ https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/96783/number-10-rejects-claim-theresa-may-refused-change Is Mr Moore telling porkies ? ;-) .......... The fact that you " doubt that she went for any other reason " explains your bias when reading the article. Mr. Moore clearly writes " what SEEMS to have happened " (i.e he doesn't actually KNOW what happened ). ;-) Illusions, conjecture and supposition is good enough to satisfy Brexiters like Pelmet. That's why it was so easy to sell them the lies of Brexit.....as Dominic Cummings openly admitted. Where as all those Remoaner "Experts" have proved to be so accurate (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Yes.....and Cummings practically admitted as much in his blog (it's very long so i know you haven't read it). Remind me...... which of these Remoaner "expert" predictions has come true? ;-) ........... Did we have an immediate recession? ........ Did we suffer wholesale job losses?........ Did we have a punishment budget?......... Did we get put at the back of the queue for US trade talks?........ Did Brexit cause the end of Western civilisation?........ Just askin >:-) ........... READ ALL of Cummings blog. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 7:21 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM Does Germany seek to advantage Germany in its involvement with the EU institutions? Of course, but so do the other member states. I'm glad you admit it >:-) ...............and what chance do other states like the UK have of influencing decisions when all the EU top jobs are held by Germans? *-) .......... Really? Which Germans are in which EU top jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-07-21 8:03 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-21 8:00 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 7:26 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM So, in simple fact, it is not possible for Germany to "run" the EU. Unfortunately the reality proves it is not only possible but a fact *-) .......... Why else would Mrs May go to Merkel to discuss the Chequers agreement rather than Brussels? >:-) ....... If you got your news from a better comic you'd know she's just doing the rounds. :-D Merkel was just the first. She's actually trying to do what all the other leaders do, build alliances around the EU so that those actually in control, (the 28 states) tell the Commission what they want it to do. You just don't understand how the EU actually works, do you? Even your Remoaner comics reported it >:-) .......... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/why-did-theresa-may-clear-the-eu-deal-with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/ If you're going to try to build allegiances, you have to start somewhere, and starting with the most influential potential ally is a sensible step. The political ineptitude of doing that before (apparently - this is politics :-)) telling your cabinet intentions is not a matter of Germany running the EU, it is merely a measure of TM's desperation under pressure. However, the Spectator piece make no mention of Germany running the EU, so did not report it, did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-07-21 12:24 PM...………………... Maybe you could point out something similar to all our Remoaners ... They actually dont know what will happen once we leave , what deal we will leave with if any , what deal we'll strike up if any etc etc but it doesn't seem to stop em telling us exactly whats guna happen now does it ( they dont actually KNOW what will happen) That is all true, but so is the reverse, that you don't know either. None of us actually knows what might happen if we stay in the EU either, because the future is always unpredictable. So all anyone can do is take past experience as the best available indicator, and project that into the future, building in alternative outcomes for known events, to gain a range of probabilities. There will be unforeseen events that negate the forecast, and unforeseen outcomes for some events that will skew the forecast outcome, but not negate its conclusion. No forecast is forever: all need to be re-run as events unfold, to test if their conclusions remain valid, and revise them where necessary. All this is well known, rational, logical, and widely accepted as the best way of trying to de-risk any long term project before embarking on it. What no responsible person does is say "we don't know what may happen, so lets just do it to find out". There was a report some months back of a young man who jumped over a wall in the dark not knowing what was on the other side. What was actually on the other side was a 25' drop onto rocks, from which he died. To do that as an individual was foolish, but only the individual and his immediate friends and family suffered. To adopt the same mentality to an entire country is irresponsible in the extreme. To do so when in possession of forecasts indicating a poor outcome, and then dismiss them as inconvenient propaganda, is both irresponsible and foolish. All you are being "told" are the likely outcomes, based on what those forecasts indicate are the most probable. A degree of hyperbole does creep into the telling, it seems largely as a result of trying to get unresponsive minds to connect with what the writers see as glaringly obvious. The response, that the writer doesn't know what will actually happen, only frustrates. The writers already understand that we are dealing with probabilities, not certainties. So STOBOs don't help. A response saying the forecast is unreliable, because it omits various specific critical factors, would enable a discussion, as would the presentation of an alternative forecast indicating a better outcome. I have yet to see that kind of response. This is not a win or lose contest, like the outcome of a football match, where nothing has changed the day after. The outcome of Brexit, whatever form it takes - and even if it doesn't happen - will directly and indirectly affect the living standards of every person in the UK, for better or worse, for decades. Every forecast to date indicates that the impact of all presently proposed forms of Brexit will be for the worse. So, is it unreasonable for people to decide they prefer the better option of no Brexit, where everyone is more likely to be better off? Is it then reasonable to respond, "nah, I just want to jump over the wall while it's still dark, and everyone else has got to jump with me"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-07-22 10:24 AM pelmetman - 2018-07-21 7:21 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-07-20 4:31 PM Does Germany seek to advantage Germany in its involvement with the EU institutions? Of course, but so do the other member states. I'm glad you admit it >:-) ...............and what chance do other states like the UK have of influencing decisions when all the EU top jobs are held by Germans? *-) .......... Really? Which Germans are in which EU top jobs? https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-selmayr-problem-too-many-germans-in-top-jobs/ http://www.atimes.com/article/really-runs-european-union-germany-thats/ https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Germany-disproportionately-powerful-in-the-EU-Germany-is-the-largest-economy-in-the-EU-and-has-the-most-population-However-its-economy-only-accounts-for-21-of-the-EU-GDP-while-it-seems-to-have-become-an-undoubted-leader-of-Europe It's not just me who thinks so ;-) ......... Even our former ambassador to Germany thinks so >:-) .......... https://www.ibtauris.com/books/society%20%20social%20sciences/politics%20%20government/international%20relations/international%20institutions/berlin%20rules%20europe%20and%20the%20german%20way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 Never fear!! We only have 50 years to wait for Brexit to start to benefit the UK (Sorry England as there will be no UK) Here we have Smuggy now telling us that we might have to wait 50 years to see any benefit from Brexit. Well none of us will ever see it then. Maybe some of those young new voters will, you know the ones that pretty much all never wanted to leave in the first place. So 50 years to wait, £158bn a year off our economy and three million jobs gone, we will of course get to see that as that will happen pretty quickly. Blimey! Was the EU really that terrible? Who knew? Watch how he tries to squirm his slimy way out of resigning as an MP if it all goes tits up. I bet the mainstream media don't show this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickybeau Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-07-19 3:19 PM If Dave does indeed feel "the foreigner" telling us what to do here in Blighty is wrong is he doing something wrong having those views , maybe those views are racist everything else seems to be ??? ... Surely it's similar to what Sturgeon wants for Scotland isn't it and no one is questioning their right to those views From where I sit, brexit is about English independence and maybe it’s about time. I don’t believe Brexit is anything like the wish in Scotland for self government. The Scottish government have made very clear their wish to maintain immigration to help sustain its economy over the next 30-40 years to cope with the surplus of us coffin dodgers. Unlike U.K. government which was, as a participating partner in a democratic alliance, free to choose to leave the club, Scotland must seek agreement with the Westminster parliament despite the fact that Holyrood voted by a majority to hold another referendum. The EU had no say. The British government has taken powers to undermine devolution despite returning a minority group of MPs from Scotland. With the gerrymandering of the vote through what looks like dodgy money and the Maybit’s unwillingness to consent to the democratic process in Scotland, the UK has a weird take on democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Dickybeau - 2018-07-22 10:34 PM antony1969 - 2018-07-19 3:19 PM If Dave does indeed feel "the foreigner" telling us what to do here in Blighty is wrong is he doing something wrong having those views , maybe those views are racist everything else seems to be ??? ... Surely it's similar to what Sturgeon wants for Scotland isn't it and no one is questioning their right to those views From where I sit, brexit is about English independence and maybe it’s about time. I don’t believe Brexit is anything like the wish in Scotland for self government. The Scottish government have made very clear their wish to maintain immigration to help sustain its economy over the next 30-40 years to cope with the surplus of us coffin dodgers. Unlike U.K. government which was, as a participating partner in a democratic alliance, free to choose to leave the club, Scotland must seek agreement with the Westminster parliament despite the fact that Holyrood voted by a majority to hold another referendum. The EU had no say. The British government has taken powers to undermine devolution despite returning a minority group of MPs from Scotland. With the gerrymandering of the vote through what looks like dodgy money and the Maybit’s unwillingness to consent to the democratic process in Scotland, the UK has a weird take on democracy If Sturgeon wants to win an Independence vote ;-) .......... She need's to ask the English to vote :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.