Brian Kirby Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-14 10:37 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... But the EU recognises the whole of the republic of Cyprus as being a member state as it does not recognise the northern republic. Anyway there is a border and passports are checked. Ive been through it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-15 12:05 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 10:37 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... But the EU recognises the whole of the republic of Cyprus as being a member state as it does not recognise the northern republic. Anyway there is a border and passports are checked. Ive been through it! Correct its a border between Cyprus & Turkey ;-) ..........Not the EU >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-16 9:06 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-15 12:05 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 10:37 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... But the EU recognises the whole of the republic of Cyprus as being a member state as it does not recognise the northern republic. Anyway there is a border and passports are checked. Ive been through it! Correct its a border between Cyprus & Turkey ;-) ..........Not the EU >:-) ........ Eh? Its a border on the island of Cyprus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-16 9:21 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 9:06 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-15 12:05 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 10:37 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... But the EU recognises the whole of the republic of Cyprus as being a member state as it does not recognise the northern republic. Anyway there is a border and passports are checked. Ive been through it! Correct its a border between Cyprus & Turkey ;-) ..........Not the EU >:-) ........ Eh? Its a border on the island of Cyprus. Its a border between the Greek South and the Turkish North........I thought you said you'd been there? :-S ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-16 9:43 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-16 9:21 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 9:06 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-15 12:05 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 10:37 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... But the EU recognises the whole of the republic of Cyprus as being a member state as it does not recognise the northern republic. Anyway there is a border and passports are checked. Ive been through it! Correct its a border between Cyprus & Turkey ;-) ..........Not the EU >:-) ........ Eh? Its a border on the island of Cyprus. Its a border between the Greek South and the Turkish North........I thought you said you'd been there? :-S ......... I have. My point is you seem to be inferring that what happens in Cyprus somehow could solve the Irish border problem but there is a border in Cyprus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-16 11:17 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 9:43 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-16 9:21 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 9:06 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-15 12:05 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 10:37 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-14 10:31 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-14 9:00 AM Looks like the Remoaners claims about the GFA and Brexit is a load of TOSH >:-) ........... “Neither the Belfast Agreement nor this suite of provisions was predicated on the basis that UK membership of the EU would continue forever. Neither of them can be construed as requiring a customs Union or continued regulatory alignment. More fundamentally, there is no sufficient evidential foundation for the incompatibility asserted. There is no suggestion that the incompatibility has already materialised” https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/ Gloaty McGloatface time :D .......... But, the case tried was over whether the Belfast Agreement implied a legal obligation on the UK to stay in the EU. The judgement is clear that it does not, and could not, impose such a requirement. I'm mildly surprised that the case was brought, as it seeks to try such a tenuous argument. That is not where Brexit collides with the Belfast Agreement. The point of collision is that the Belfast agreement states that there will be no security installations along the border, and all the signatories signed up to that undertaking, as did the guarantors. When/if the UK leaves the EU, that border becomes the external border of the EU with a third country, and the EU requires that its borders are closed, and have border control points at crossings. It is the installation of such points that breaches the Belfast Agreement. This requirement dates from the inception of the EEC, and it has never changed. It was true when the UK joined the EEC, and it was true when the Belfast Agreement was signed. It is totally disingenuous for the UK to claim that the border can remain unguarded when it has known for the past 45 years what border controls are required at EEC/EU third country borders. People and goods entering the UK from third countries over those past 45 years have been subject to EEC/EU entry checks at UK ports of entry. How can the UK suddenly claim selective amnesia on that point, and expect anyone else to take it seriously? How can the UK secure its own border with the EU in the absence of checks? How can it prevent smuggling without checks? How can it protect its import duty revenues without checks? How can it prevent illegal immigration without checks? How can it implement checks without checkpoints? These are the questions the Brexiters need to answer, instead of standing in the middle of the room with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed saying you can't see us, and we can't hear you? Time the toddlers faced reality grew up? I refer the the gormless bloke above......To the the the Cyprus border >:-) ....... Status in the EU As of 2018, the EU recognises the north as being outside the control of the Greek Cypriot–led government of the Republic and hence is temporarily exempt from EU legislation. The euro also does not officially circulate in the north (although it does have widespread usage[3]) and the Schengen agreement is not in effect in Cyprus due to complications in security at the external border to the north. The free movement of goods, capital, services and people is also not in effect.[1] Turkish Cypriots are considered citizens of the European Union as the EU considers them Cypriot citizens, merely living in a part of Cyprus outside of the control of the Republic of Cyprus.[4] All we need to do is change the country's names ;-) .......... Sorted >:-) ....... But the EU recognises the whole of the republic of Cyprus as being a member state as it does not recognise the northern republic. Anyway there is a border and passports are checked. Ive been through it! Correct its a border between Cyprus & Turkey ;-) ..........Not the EU >:-) ........ Eh? Its a border on the island of Cyprus. Its a border between the Greek South and the Turkish North........I thought you said you'd been there? :-S ......... I have. My point is you seem to be inferring that what happens in Cyprus somehow could solve the Irish border problem but there is a border in Cyprus. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-13 7:19 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-13 8:14 AM So looking at the Times this morning it is possible to do a deal with some convergence of Eu rules in NI and some boarder checks on uk mainland. Nope the DUP dismissed the Times article as a total fabrication on the Today programme. Now the Guardian indicates that the DUP is prepared to look at sharing Eu rules on livestock and agriculture. As there have been no comments in the Mail I assume it to be true. There is a political way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D That border mess seems to work fine......and has done since the 70's ;-) ........ The point is that its NOT a EU border >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Yep......INSIDE THE EU (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/armed-police-unit-to-be-moved-to-irish-border-in-brexit-preparation-38510293.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-18 7:05 PM https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/armed-police-unit-to-be-moved-to-irish-border-in-brexit-preparation-38510293.html Makes perfect sense to me Paddy ;-) ........ You Irish have always been a bit temperamental :-S ....... I blame the Mc'Guinness :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Quite! This don't 'arf get 'ard, don't it? And that is the point. It is a closed border with checks at crossing points, which is exactly what the Belfast Agreement says shall not exist between NI and the Republic. There is no equivalence. Go figure! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-09-18 9:06 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Quite! This don't 'arf get 'ard, don't it? And that is the point. It is a closed border with checks at crossing points, which is exactly what the Belfast Agreement says shall not exist between NI and the Republic. There is no equivalence. Go figure! :-D Quite!!! *-) ...... Its a border manned by Cypriot Greeks and Cypriot Turks ;-) ...... All within the EU!!!!!!!! (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Kinda piss's on your EU pompous pile dont it Brian? >:-) ......... I wonder how they keep a check on that trade the EU is "Apparently" so worried about? :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Watching Boris Johnson in Dublin, where he came to ask Taoiseach Leo Varadkar to get him out of a hole, I am struck again by how disorienting Brexit has been. Everything we are used to in Anglo-Irish relations has been reversed. For the first time since Henry II invaded in 1171, Ireland has more power than England. Ireland has always been the weaker party: smaller, poorer, less influential in the wider world. Most Brexiters, if they thought about the Irish aspect of their project at all, relied on an eternal truth: Dublin would simply have to play by London’s rules. It is hard to blame them — a habit of mind formed over 800 years is hard to shake off. But the body language in Dublin is startling: Varadkar confident and fluent; Johnson shifty, fidgety and unsure, his only joke an accidental one: ‘Thirty years — I mean 30 days — ought to be enough if we concentrate our minds.’ The reason is simple: Ireland is part of a bloc of 27 countries that is bigger and more powerful than Britain. Brexiters have been enraged by Ireland’s determination to stick with the EU and see the consistent refusal of the Irish government to engage in bilateral negotiations about the border as spitefully Anglophobic. It’s really just rational politics: why would you walk away from a position of strength and return to the unhappily familiar role of the junior partner? The shift is nonetheless dizzying. None of us is used to it. The comfortable routines of condescension on one side and chippy defensiveness on the other don’t work any more. Johnson’s palpable unease in Dublin, not knowing whether to be patronisingly matey or gruffly demanding, told us much more than anything he said. As the mad angst about national identity has fallen in Ireland, it has correspondingly risen in Britain. And doesn’t Johnson look like a very Irish figure? Or at least like a particular English fictional stereotype — the Irish adventurer blagging his way into the very heart of English society, the amoral opportunist who the historian Roy Foster calls the ‘Mick on the Make’? Johnson is of course Eton and Oxford, but he has that strange outsider/insider mentality of someone who is at once desperate to belong and contemptuous of the very institutions he wants to belong to. He is a Rake on the Make, strangely reminiscent of the kind of Irish chancer who haunts English literature, most recently in Edward St Aubyn’s Patrick Melrose saga, where the mother hands over the estate to the charming, cynical Seamus. Or indeed of Thackeray’s novel The Luck of Barry Lyndon, which Stanley Kubrick turned into one of the greatest of all films. Johnson’s rise and fall may be bad politics but some day it will surely make an equally splendid movie. It seems a pity that one of the great Irish rogues, Peter O’Toole or Richard Harris, isn’t around to play him. All this is rooted in the great historical irony of Brexit: England imagining itself as if it were Ireland, an oppressed little nation breaking the chains of colonial bondage. I am suitably discombobulated to read that on the door of Nigel Farage’s office in Brussels, just beneath his name, is a portrait of his hero, the 19th-century Irish nationalist leader Charles Stewart Parnell. Surely, if English nationalism wants to claim Parnell, it would be only fair to give Ireland an English hero in return. James Tyrone in Eugene O’Neill’s Long Day’s Journey into Night claims that Shakespeare was an Irish Catholic. I can’t speak for all my countrymen, but I’d be happy to live in Stratford-upon-Liffey. The Times does fine work in tracking down the story of the Englishman Billy Hampton, who has left £1.5 million to Sinn Féin in his will because he was in a rage against the British government. It reports that he had previously sliced off his own penis. Two things seem remarkable. The story only makes page 20 — and quite rightly since it is far down the list of bizarre political developments, way behind the antics at Westminster. Plus, cutting off your penis and giving all your money to the most Anglophobic party you can think of is currently only the second most extreme form of self-harm in English politics, some distance behind a no-deal Brexit. The worst thing if you are signing books is to be placed next to a superstar. My nice little trickle at the FT Weekend festival in London is washed away by the torrent of people with much better taste queuing for Robert Harris. I console myself that Harris surely doesn’t have a dog named after him — a very nice lady has sent me a photo of her new baby pug which she has called Fintan O’Toole. It could be worse: if he were a British bulldog, Anglo-Irish confusions would have gone too far. Fintan O’Toole is a columnist for the Irish Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-09-19 10:05 AM Fintan O’Toole is a columnist for the Irish Times. O'Toole by name ;-) .........EU propaganda Tool by nature >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Only for tourists the resident Greek and Turkish Cypriots pass without hindrance so a soft border which the Irish are not adverse to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 teflon2 - 2019-09-19 6:55 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Only for tourists the resident Greek and Turkish Cypriots pass without hindrance so a soft border which the Irish are not adverse to. I wonder if they have a EU citizens only queue? :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-18 9:12 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-18 9:06 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Quite! This don't 'arf get 'ard, don't it? And that is the point. It is a closed border with checks at crossing points, which is exactly what the Belfast Agreement says shall not exist between NI and the Republic. There is no equivalence. Go figure! :-D Quite!!! *-) ...... Its a border manned by Cypriot Greeks and Cypriot Turks ;-) ...... All within the EU!!!!!!!! (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Kinda piss's on your EU pompous pile dont it Brian? >:-) ......... I wonder how they keep a check on that trade the EU is "Apparently" so worried about? :D ........ Reality check? Have a little read here, http://tinyurl.com/yyu83tl9 plus as many of the kinked articles as you feel you can cope with, and then explain to us all how the Cyprus border issue is in any way equivalent to that in Ireland. But don't forget to take note of the description of the Cyprus border (i.e. barbed wire and concrete, with watch towers, and limited crossing points), and the UN administered "green line", as they exist at present. Oh, I know, it's equivalent because it's called a border! Yep: for sure that'll do. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-09-20 10:44 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-18 9:12 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-18 9:06 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Quite! This don't 'arf get 'ard, don't it? And that is the point. It is a closed border with checks at crossing points, which is exactly what the Belfast Agreement says shall not exist between NI and the Republic. There is no equivalence. Go figure! :-D Quite!!! *-) ...... Its a border manned by Cypriot Greeks and Cypriot Turks ;-) ...... All within the EU!!!!!!!! (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Kinda piss's on your EU pompous pile dont it Brian? >:-) ......... I wonder how they keep a check on that trade the EU is "Apparently" so worried about? :D ........ Reality check? Have a little read here, http://tinyurl.com/yyu83tl9 plus as many of the kinked articles as you feel you can cope with, and then explain to us all how the Cyprus border issue is in any way equivalent to that in Ireland. But don't forget to take note of the description of the Cyprus border (i.e. barbed wire and concrete, with watch towers, and limited crossing points), and the UN administered "green line", as they exist at present. Oh, I know, it's equivalent because it's called a border! Yep: for sure that'll do. :-D The point is ;-) ..........It's a border on a Island that is "in the EU" 8-) ......... You know that EU where they have free movement from one EU country to another :-| ......... Yet they ALLOW an internal border between the North & South >:-) ........ If they're prepared to fudge that border.......Why not treat the NI border the same? *-) ......... But we all know why don't we???..........The EU doesn't get 12 billion a year from Cyprus or the Greeks (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-21 9:06 AM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-20 10:44 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-18 9:12 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-18 9:06 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-18 5:50 PM teflon2 - 2019-09-18 4:29 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-09-17 10:16 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-16 1:33 PM...........................……….. My point is that the EU has obviously done a border fudge in Cyprus ;-) ........... So there's no damn reason why they cant do the same for the Irish :-| .......... They're just using it as an excuse to cling on to their UK meal ticket *-) .......... Dave, I don't think you've read and understood you own quote. Go back and read it again. Barry is right, there is a hard border between north and south Cyprus, and there is no hard border between Ireland and NI, and the Belfast Agreement says, in terms, there shall not be one. There is no equivalence between Cyprus (which, as your quote confirms, is within the EU) and Northern Ireland (which is currently also within the EU). The Cyprus problem is that the EU does not recognise the independent status of North Cyprus, regarding both north and south as being a unified state. Since North Cyprus does not itself recognise its membership of the EU the border is maintained and, as your quote again confirms, the normal EU provisions for passage of people, goods, and finance across internal borders does not take place. Cyprus is a mess. What would be the point in creating another similar mess that in ay case would not solve the different NI border issue? I can see why you didn't pursue a career in the Foreign Office or the Diplomatic Service! :-D You could try Cyprus Holiday Adviser for the correct information. There is no hindrance on border crossing between the South and North of Cyprus. ie. it's a soft border exactly what the ROI and Northern Ireland want. You know a border that only exists on paper. Its still a border with manned checkpoints and passport checks. http://www.cyprus44.com/holidays/border-crossings.asp Quite! This don't 'arf get 'ard, don't it? And that is the point. It is a closed border with checks at crossing points, which is exactly what the Belfast Agreement says shall not exist between NI and the Republic. There is no equivalence. Go figure! :-D Quite!!! *-) ...... Its a border manned by Cypriot Greeks and Cypriot Turks ;-) ...... All within the EU!!!!!!!! (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Kinda piss's on your EU pompous pile dont it Brian? >:-) ......... I wonder how they keep a check on that trade the EU is "Apparently" so worried about? :D ........ Reality check? Have a little read here, http://tinyurl.com/yyu83tl9 plus as many of the kinked articles as you feel you can cope with, and then explain to us all how the Cyprus border issue is in any way equivalent to that in Ireland. But don't forget to take note of the description of the Cyprus border (i.e. barbed wire and concrete, with watch towers, and limited crossing points), and the UN administered "green line", as they exist at present. Oh, I know, it's equivalent because it's called a border! Yep: for sure that'll do. :-D 1 The point is ;-) ..........It's a border on a Island that is "in the EU" 8-) ......... You know that EU where they have free movement from one EU country to another :-| ......... Yet they ALLOW an internal border between the North & South >:-) ........If they're prepared to fudge that border....... 2 Why not treat the NI border the same? *-) ......... 3 But we all know why don't we???..........The EU doesn't get 12 billion a year from Cyprus or the Greeks (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... So 1, is, as I suggested, "because it's called a border", and 2 is because Neither Cyprus nor the Greeks pay as much into the EU budget as the UK pays? 1 Was predictable (and was predicted!). 3 Defies all logic. Usually you do deals with those who pay you the most, and are less flexible in dealing with those who want money from you - unless, of course, they have alternative assets that can bring to the party, which sadly, in the case of Greece and/or Cyprus, seems improbable in the extreme. In your reasoning you turn away from one of your big creditors and fall over yourself to favour one of your biggest debtors. Dave, do not seek a career in financial services. :-D 2 Is answered when/if you read the link I posted about the Cyprus border and how it operates under present circumstances, and compare that with the a) Belfast Agreement, b) The Common Travel Area, and c) the NI-Republic border as it would have to operate should Britain leave the EU. So, as before, and as it was your selected example, please explain how you can see equivalence there. I note you offered no explanation above as to how the Cyprus border, as described in that link, could be equivalent to the NI-Republic border, nor how constructing a Cyprus style border between NI and the Republic without land swaps, constructing it of barbed wire and concrete, incorporating border check points - as the Cyprus border is described as being - might fit in with the Belfast Agreement. I'll let you off explaining the presence of the "Green Line" and why it is still under UN administration, as that might be a bit OTT between NI and Ireland. Yet again, Brexiter unicorns come to mind! :-D Cyprus border? Phooey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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