everyone off to scottish highlands then?

[Robinhood]

StuartO - 2020-03-24 9:40 AM

 

Doesn't the 28 day limitation has something to do with not paying Council Tax to occupy a camp site pitch, which would be required for longer term occupation?

 

There is no *planning* restriction on the length of opening of a CL/CS. The clubs are responsible for certification, and they may implement their own rules on top of these by arrangement with the site owner (for instance, a club "certificated" site does not, under planning law, have to be restricted to club members only - the main clubs implement this by (contractual) agreement with the site owner (and I know it gets flouted)). The site owner may themselves place some limitation on such stays.

 

I believe both the C&CC and C&MC impose a 28 day consecutive limit on a given unit's stay on CLs/CSs, and this may well be aligned to "Residential Campsite" legislation, but I can't (at the moment) find any such limit in the exemption regulations for CLs (though the 5 and 28 day limits for rallies and THSs are very clear).

[Billggski]

https://www.hastings.gov.uk/planning/need/caravancamping/

 

[Robinhood]

The description of the mechanisms available to recognised and authorised "Caravan Clubs" via exemption certificates, from Gov.uk (the bold italics are mine)

 

Caravan club exemptions

 

There are 3 types of exemption for caravan clubs. You’ll need to state which exemption you want in your application form.

 

Supervised and occupied sites exemption (THS)

This is known as a paragraph 4 exemption.

 

This exemption allows you (for up to 28 days) to:

 

use the site

let non-members bring and stay in their own caravan (if agreed with the landowner)

To be eligible for this type of exemption, you need to:

 

have someone to supervise the site

be able to sign a legal contract with the landowner or manager

consult local councils and planning authorities before using a site - and not use a site if the council objects

 

 

Approved sites exemption (CL/CS)

This is known as a paragraph 5 exemption.

 

With this exemption, your organisation can select sites for its members to stay on, by issuing certificates to the landowner or occupier. These certificates are valid for up to one year.

 

Non-members are allowed to stay on the site if your club and the landowner agree to it.

 

You’ll need to:

 

set a maximum limit of 5 caravans at a time for each site

have a system for consulting neighbours and the local licensing authority (Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments) before issuing a certificate

have a system for inspecting the sites and dealing with complaints from the public

send copies of the certificates you issue to Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments (depending on where your club is based)

 

Club meetings or rallies exemption (Rally)

This is known as a paragraph 6 exemption.

 

With this exemption, your club can use a site for club meetings, rallies or events. These meetings need to:

 

last no longer than 5 days

be supervised by a member of the club

be open to members only

 

 

[charleydog]

Stay away from small isolated villages, cos the old lady in the local shop gets very tired by keep moving her cat off the ham :-D

[htrevor]

Billggski - 2020-03-22 4:58 PM

 

Let’s talk about just one of the people who has ‘escaped’ to the hills to ‘socially distance’ themselves. Let’s call him Brian. Brian has been at work all week, he isn’t lucky enough to work at home. Brian eats the lunch he carefully prepared at home on Tuesday, at his desk. Tom the cleaner cleaned Brian’s desk on Monday evening, but Tom had spent the weekend getting smashed in various pubs with his mates. Tom didn’t know it but he was infected. Before Tom cleaned Brian’s desk, he coughed into his hands. He doesn’t care about COVID-19 because he’s young and he believes it wont affect him. Whilst cleaning Brians desk he sheds some of the virus onto Brians keyboard. Brian has been using his keyboard all morning, and he just started eating his sandwich. Brian is now infected, but he wont show symptoms for another week.

 

Fast forward to the weekend and Brian decides, because he’s fit and healthy, he’s going to climb Snowdon with his wife. They arrive at Pen Y Pass after a 2 hour drive during which Brian shared some of his water with his wife. Brian is literally a virus incubator right now and if she hasn’t breathed in the virus, she’s covered in it, it’s only a matter of time. Brian pays his £10 parking charge using the machine and off he goes. There’s lots of lovely virus on the machine now, waiting for the next person...and the next...and the next. Brian and his wife decide to take the PYG track and it’s really busy. It’s so busy in fact that on the way up he has to wait in a queue to go over the stile at the Crib Goch junction. Brian isn’t wearing gloves today because the weather is nice and walking keeps you warm. He’s feeling a little more fatigued than usual though. Over the stile they both go, innocently shedding virus as they do. He’s sweating quite a bit and keeps wiping his face with his hand. At several points they have to put their hands on rock, the same rocks everyone else has to. Finally though, they get to the top, yay! They both have to wait in another queue to get onto the summit trig, which they touch, because it’s a kind of ritual. They don’t think about the 1000 other people who will do the same after them today. On the way down Brian’s wife takes a little tumble and twists her ankle. Mike, a local, comes over to offer assistance, which Is gratefully accepted. Mike and Brian support Brian’s wife to the bottom, Brian shake Mikes hand and they depart. Under normal circumstances Brian would take his wife to a minor injuries clinic, but they know the NHS is under strain because of the virus, it’s probably only a light sprain anyway, so they dont bother, they’re doing their bit to help by not going to hospital. Brian doesn’t know that he’s just infected countless people, and they don’t know either. Brian thinks what he is doing wont harm anyone and he goes home really happy with himself that he’s only doing what the government told him to do.

 

On the way home he really begins to feel rough but thinks he’s tired from the walk, so he stops for a coffee at the Shell garage in Betws Y Coed and gets himself a costa express coffee. After he’s chosen his drink using his bare hands on the touch screen, he uses some hand gel, because, he doesn’t want to catch the virus! He’s a responsible citizen though, so he keeps his distance from everyone else in the shop, 2 metres!

 

Brian has no idea he’s just unleashed a plague on North Wales in spectacular fashion.

 

Stay at home folks. Don’t be Brian.

 

Brilliant. This says it all. Just arrived back to uk but was still using supermarkets and those service units at Tankstations where you have fresh water one side and can empty your bog the other with often the odd turd or two visible. I have tried using rubber gloves but you you need to change the gloves 5 or 6 times with each visit to the supermarket or service point and then you will still touch something that might be contaminated. The only way in a van to thwart the virus is to have the groceries delivered or go to clic and collect and then wash the tins or whatever with soap and water for 30 seconds and bed down in a place that has water and a separate and clean toilet disposal and spray the taps before using with something like Detol. Hard work but the only way to minimise the risks.

[Muswell]

htrevor - 2020-03-25 11:31 PM

Brilliant. This says it all. Just arrived back to uk but was still using supermarkets and those service units aand then wash the tins or whatever with soap and water for 30 seconds and bed down in a place that has water and a separate and clean toilet disposal and spray the taps before using with something like Detol. Hard work but the only way to minimise the risks.

 

We have a quarantine system for incoming goods. The virus can survive for 72 hours so were have 3 boxes, one per day. That minimises the amount of washing.

[goldi]

Good morning,

 

Near where I used to live there was a bloke who lived on a cl all through summer in his caravan and then went to spain for the winter. He did this for years .

[John52]

So its OK for Prince Charles to take Coronovirus to the highlands?

- (after having a test that front line workers can't have so have to live separated from their families.)

[DavieR]

John52 - 2020-03-26 9:26 PM

 

So its OK for Prince Charles to take Coronovirus to the highlands?

- (after having a test that front line workers can't have so have to live separated from their families.)

 

No, it's not OK. Not on any level.