Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-04 4:29 PM ... Just like us Brexiteers ......... I like Confucious who said: " If you make a mistake and do not correct it, this is called a mistake " " Don’t complain about the snow on your neighbor’s roof when your own doorstep is unclean " " Consideration for others is the basis of a good life and of a good society " " Time flows away like the water in the river ". We will see. Max Indeed we will B-) ......... How quickly 27 nations recover from COVID19 whilst under EU bureaucracy.......and Billy No Mates UK :D ........ My bets on the UK seeing as Italy has been in recession 3 times in the past decade 8-) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-04 4:35 PM mtravel - 2020-05-04 4:29 PM ... Just like us Brexiteers ......... I like Confucious who said: " If you make a mistake and do not correct it, this is called a mistake " " Don’t complain about the snow on your neighbor’s roof when your own doorstep is unclean " " Consideration for others is the basis of a good life and of a good society " " Time flows away like the water in the river ". We will see. Max Thats a bit too complicated for Pelmet who will be confused by Confucious! :D I saw through your Boolocks >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 What a breath of fresh air you are Max. “Would some power the gift give us, to see ourselves as others see us”. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Violet1956 - 2020-05-04 4:56 PM What a breath of fresh air you are Max. “Would some power the gift give us, to see ourselves as others see us”. Veronica Some of us don't need a mirror ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Tracker - 2020-05-04 4:39 PM Confuscious - he say a lot more than a few selected quotes! https://www.thoughtco.com/best-confucius-quotes-2833291 Yes here are a couple of good ones. :-D "In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of." "Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:02 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... I’ve been there quite a few times over the years , all around the country, most recently in Rome. I think I preferred the 60’s and 70’s as it seemed less pretentious than now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-04 5:16 PM Tracker - 2020-05-04 4:39 PM Confuscious - he say a lot more than a few selected quotes! https://www.thoughtco.com/best-confucius-quotes-2833291 Yes here are a couple of good ones. :-D "In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of." How very Communist ;-) .......I can see why you and Max get on so well :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-04 4:44 PM Indeed we will B-) ......... How quickly 27 nations recover from COVID19 whilst under EU bureaucracy.......and Billy No Mates UK :D ........ My bets on the UK seeing as Italy has been in recession 3 times in the past decade 8-) ...... I don't know what data your government shares with the population and I don't care. But the internet is full of independent data sources. It does not seem to me that the nations of the European Community have reacted badly in fighting the pandemic. With the exception of Sweden (which, by the way, is not in the euro zone), coincidentally it is a nation that trusted in herd immunity. Outside the Community, of course not speaking of Trump's kingdom, I know another one but I leave you to find out which it is. As for the economy, it is useless to make meaningless comparisons. I suggest you look at your data since 1976 and also those from 1993 when the customs barriers were broken down. Then wait a couple of years and check the progress again. I'll give you two years because I won't consider the next one, the pandemic will surely have a dramatic impact and it wouldn't make sense to evaluate it. I repeat, I wish you all the best but only time will tell, Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-05 1:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 4:44 PM Indeed we will B-) ......... How quickly 27 nations recover from COVID19 whilst under EU bureaucracy.......and Billy No Mates UK :D ........ My bets on the UK seeing as Italy has been in recession 3 times in the past decade 8-) ...... I don't know what data your government shares with the population and I don't care. But the internet is full of independent data sources. It does not seem to me that the nations of the European Community have reacted badly in fighting the pandemic. With the exception of Sweden (which, by the way, is not in the euro zone), coincidentally it is a nation that trusted in herd immunity. Outside the Community, of course not speaking of Trump's kingdom, I know another one but I leave you to find out which it is. As for the economy, it is useless to make meaningless comparisons. I suggest you look at your data since 1976 and also those from 1993 when the customs barriers were broken down. Then wait a couple of years and check the progress again. I'll give you two years because I won't consider the next one, the pandemic will surely have a dramatic impact and it wouldn't make sense to evaluate it. I repeat, I wish you all the best but only time will tell, Max Best come back in 2 years then ;-) ......... Then we'll have a clearer picture of who was lucky and not so lucky :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:02 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... Mister emoticon, let's put it this way. August 1976, pub on Oxford Street / Baywater Road (not a notorious Soho street). I have lunch in a nice pub. I ask where the toilet is. Downstairs they tell me. Well, the staircase and floor were so dirty that shoes stuck to the tiles. Can I say that all British pubs are like that one ? Maybe not, what do you think? As for the pornographic key rings for sale, I don't see anything strange. Maybe you're the one who has some form of morbid curiosity or at least prudery. Maybe they only sell them to guys like you. However the ancient populations had a relationship with sex quite different from the Anglo-Saxon Puritan one. Not only in Pompeii, you just have to enter the ceramics section of the National Archaeological Museum of Athens to find vases and dishes with highly explicit contents. I don't think it is adults only but if one wants, he can avoid visiting it. Just as he can avoid visiting the brothels of Pompeii that I bet you saw and key rings vendors. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Every country has it's own foibles, highlights and low spots. We enjoy France and Spain but there are aspects that are less appealing. We love living in the UK but there are aspects that are less appealing. We have not seen much of Italyand we liked what we have seen but as with all countries there are no doubt less appealing aspects of Italy It is very sad when reflections of an entire country and it's people who, by and large, are no different from anyone else in Europe are summed up in a few derogatory words, albeit in humour, as mainland European humour can be very different to UK humour. A few more years of the EU and there will be no differences between countries as the Brussells one size fits all mantra is applied! In a few short years you will all use the Euro, drive on the wrong side of the road, and speak German as your second language! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Tracker - 2020-05-06 11:05 AM Every country has it's own foibles, highlights and low spots. We have not seen much of Italyand we liked what we have seen but as with all countries there are no doubt less appealing aspects of Italy In a few short years you will all use the Euro, drive on the wrong side of the road, and speak German as your second language! Agree on everything except the last ... However in Alsace they are already Germans but don't tell Madame Le Pen ... If you think you can ever go back to Italy, give me your rough itinerary, tell me what you have already seen, what your interests are and how long you think to spend there and I will be more than happy to give you hints on places that you don't even imagine. Max p.s. We use euros since the beginning. Are you going back to farthings and shillings ? Smile. Wrong side ? You kow that the clever Swedish in one night have been able to switch driveside from left to right (google Dagen H) ? Smile again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-06 1:24 PM If you think you can ever go back to Italy, give me your rough itinerary, tell me what you have already seen, what your interests are and how long you think to spend there and I will be more than happy to give you hints on places that you don't even imagine. Max p.s. We use euros since the beginning. Are you going back to farthings and shillings ? Smile. Wrong side ? You kow that the clever Swedish in one night have been able to switch driveside from left to right (google Dagen H) ? Smile again. Thanks Max, unfortunately health issues will probably stop us seeing more of Italy by our preferred mode of Motorhome touring but it was a kind and much appreciated thought. Our currency seems to work fine for us and whilst maybe not ideal for the rest of Europe we do at least have the freedom to ruin our own country's economics without any help from the EU! That was a remarkable and brave transformation that the Swedish people undertook in 1967 but I fancy that current elf and safety rules, and the general loss of common sense by UK residents, would make it a lot more difficult these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 6, 2020 Author Share Posted May 6, 2020 Tracker - 2020-05-06 2:19 PM mtravel - 2020-05-06 1:24 PM If you think you can ever go back to Italy, give me your rough itinerary, tell me what you have already seen, what your interests are and how long you think to spend there and I will be more than happy to give you hints on places that you don't even imagine. Max p.s. We use euros since the beginning. Are you going back to farthings and shillings ? Smile. Wrong side ? You kow that the clever Swedish in one night have been able to switch driveside from left to right (google Dagen H) ? Smile again. Thanks Max, unfortunately health issues will probably stop us seeing more of Italy by our preferred mode of Motorhome touring but it was a kind and much appreciated thought. Our currency seems to work fine for us and whilst maybe not ideal for the rest of Europe we do at least have the freedom to ruin our own country's economics without any help from the EU! That was a remarkable and brave transformation that the Swedish people undertook in 1967 but I fancy that current elf and safety rules, and the general loss of common sense by UK residents, would make it a lot more difficult these days! Sweden had less population than London, so not really terribly difficult, however in Rome they drive on both sides of the road and try crossing the road as a pedestrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-06 10:34 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:02 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... Mister emoticon, let's put it this way. August 1976, pub on Oxford Street / Baywater Road (not a notorious Soho street). I have lunch in a nice pub. I ask where the toilet is. Downstairs they tell me. Well, the staircase and floor were so dirty that shoes stuck to the tiles. Can I say that all British pubs are like that one ? Maybe not, what do you think? As for the pornographic key rings for sale, I don't see anything strange. Maybe you're the one who has some form of morbid curiosity or at least prudery. Maybe they only sell them to guys like you. However the ancient populations had a relationship with sex quite different from the Anglo-Saxon Puritan one. Not only in Pompeii, you just have to enter the ceramics section of the National Archaeological Museum of Athens to find vases and dishes with highly explicit contents. I don't think it is adults only but if one wants, he can avoid visiting it. Just as he can avoid visiting the brothels of Pompeii that I bet you saw and key rings vendors. Max 1) There are still a few pubs like that though not a lot. You will find them in tacky areas like Blackpool and Skegness. Commonly known as 'dives' meaning a rough place. I doubt they get much custom so thankfully most have long shut down! Oxford street is just a crazily busy shopping street in central London and not the most ideal place to have a drink. Soho has totally changed. All the strip clubs have gone and now there are restaurants and coffee bars.....but not cheap! It's always going to be expensive in any city. 2) Brits have an odd mindset rooted in Victorian days when it comes to pornography. 3) I was only once in Italy, by accident! I was in the south of France and planned to drive Route Napoleon heading for Switzerland, but the road was closed due to a dispute. This was pre-GPS days so all my planning was via hard mapping. Also it was pre-Euro and before long i found myself over the border in Italy....with zero Lira! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-06 10:34 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:02 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... Mister emoticon, let's put it this way. August 1976, pub on Oxford Street / Baywater Road (not a notorious Soho street). I have lunch in a nice pub. I ask where the toilet is. Downstairs they tell me. Well, the staircase and floor were so dirty that shoes stuck to the tiles. Can I say that all British pubs are like that one ? Maybe not, what do you think? As for the pornographic key rings for sale, I don't see anything strange. Maybe you're the one who has some form of morbid curiosity or at least prudery. Maybe they only sell them to guys like you. However the ancient populations had a relationship with sex quite different from the Anglo-Saxon Puritan one. Not only in Pompeii, you just have to enter the ceramics section of the National Archaeological Museum of Athens to find vases and dishes with highly explicit contents. I don't think it is adults only but if one wants, he can avoid visiting it. Just as he can avoid visiting the brothels of Pompeii that I bet you saw and key rings vendors. Max Lets put it this way ;-) ......... You don't spend 10 years on the lower deck of Her Majesties Navy and come out a Puritan (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:00 PM mtravel - 2020-05-06 10:34 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:02 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... Mister emoticon, let's put it this way. August 1976, pub on Oxford Street / Baywater Road (not a notorious Soho street). I have lunch in a nice pub. I ask where the toilet is. Downstairs they tell me. Well, the staircase and floor were so dirty that shoes stuck to the tiles. Can I say that all British pubs are like that one ? Maybe not, what do you think? As for the pornographic key rings for sale, I don't see anything strange. Maybe you're the one who has some form of morbid curiosity or at least prudery. Maybe they only sell them to guys like you. However the ancient populations had a relationship with sex quite different from the Anglo-Saxon Puritan one. Not only in Pompeii, you just have to enter the ceramics section of the National Archaeological Museum of Athens to find vases and dishes with highly explicit contents. I don't think it is adults only but if one wants, he can avoid visiting it. Just as he can avoid visiting the brothels of Pompeii that I bet you saw and key rings vendors. Max Lets put it this way ;-) ......... You don't spend 10 years on the lower deck of Her Majesties Navy and come out a Puritan (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ No, just a very sore bottom. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest pelmetman Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-06 5:58 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:00 PM mtravel - 2020-05-06 10:34 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-04 5:02 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-04 11:45 AM I think Italy is a lovely country. Haven't been there since the late 70's....... My abiding memories of Italy are..... being eye to eye with a rat at a urinal in Naples 8-) .......and the pornographic key rings they sold at the entrance to Pompeii :D ....... Mister emoticon, let's put it this way. August 1976, pub on Oxford Street / Baywater Road (not a notorious Soho street). I have lunch in a nice pub. I ask where the toilet is. Downstairs they tell me. Well, the staircase and floor were so dirty that shoes stuck to the tiles. Can I say that all British pubs are like that one ? Maybe not, what do you think? As for the pornographic key rings for sale, I don't see anything strange. Maybe you're the one who has some form of morbid curiosity or at least prudery. Maybe they only sell them to guys like you. However the ancient populations had a relationship with sex quite different from the Anglo-Saxon Puritan one. Not only in Pompeii, you just have to enter the ceramics section of the National Archaeological Museum of Athens to find vases and dishes with highly explicit contents. I don't think it is adults only but if one wants, he can avoid visiting it. Just as he can avoid visiting the brothels of Pompeii that I bet you saw and key rings vendors. Max Lets put it this way ;-) ......... You don't spend 10 years on the lower deck of Her Majesties Navy and come out a Puritan (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ No, just a very sore bottom. :-( The only people that have been up my back passage is the NHS ;-) ........... Like a lot of people......I have had to put up with a lot of pain in the ar*es from June 2016 8-) .......... But they were cured on the 31st January at midnight B-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-05-06 2:46 PM ... however in Rome they drive on both sides of the road and try crossing the road as a pedestrian... If you have problems in Rome now I understand why your women are not able do 30 feet of reverse when we meet them in some passing zone on the Scottish single tracks. However Rome is far from the ranking of the worst cities. Try Naples where red traffic light is just a warning: someone could cross your way ... Or Catania where there are 1.5 cars per lane. Or Palermo where the signs Give way are to be interpreted in reverse (Palermitan kindness let you pass if they have precedence but the opposite must also apply). However nothing to worry about. If you really want to learn to drive with ease you have to try (increasing order of required skills): Mexico Cairo All Indian cities. But here you have too many advantages, they drive on the left too. Almost always.... Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:00 PM Lets put it this way ;-) ......... You don't spend 10 years on the lower deck of Her Majesties Navy and come out a Puritan (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Lets put this other... You mean back in the days when Britain had an empire. Gee, a long time ago. How many Independence days have there been since ...? Max p.s. I bet someone here would have appreciated being in the Navy at the time ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-07 10:18 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-06 3:00 PM Lets put it this way ;-) ......... You don't spend 10 years on the lower deck of Her Majesties Navy and come out a Puritan (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Lets put this other... You mean back in the days when Britain had an empire. Gee, a long time ago. How many Independence days have there been since ...? Max p.s. I bet someone here would have appreciated being in the Navy at the time ... Yeah we learn't all about Empire building from you Romans (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 ... Yeah we learn't all about Empire building from you Romans ... Romans also taught you how to collapse it. Think what a coincidence: September 4, 476 (AD) - abdication of Romulus Augustus and fall of the Roman empire. Always on the fourth day of a month of thirteen centuries after the beginning of the collapse of the English one. You kow what I mean. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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