jumpstart Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 4:24 PM We're well off topic now, but what does Scottish independence really mean? What is the Ambition; total severance, or partial? If partial, what is to remains unite, and what separated? Full fiscal autonomy with its own currency, or does it want to retain the Pound? If the latter, its national bank would be in England. Awkward? Is that independence? How might the border work, especially if Scotland applied to join the EU? What defence capability does it envisage? At £6.2 billion a pop, I don't foresee too many aircraft carriers being on the shopping list! Arguably not necessary, but military kit is extremely expensive, and prone to destruction/damage if used in anger - which, whisper it not - is what it is ultimately for. Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-30 3:57 PM malc d - 2021-01-30 3:51 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 7:39 AM Oh , i don't think having a referendum is a problem with all UK taking part. It could be quite a problem if we have a referendum and the English vote is for Scotland to go - and the Scottish vote is to stay. :-| Good point, perhaps then ask the EU. What about ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 5:09 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. 1) Scotland could charge the Sassenachs a parking fee, unless we moved them to some English port.....and that wouldn't be popular as not many folk want nuclear bombs sat in their backyard! 3) Oil is the main reason England doesn't want Scotland to have independence. It's history now but Scotland know how we screwed them over big time with oil and with what's left, the tables would turn. I remember years ago touring Scotland and being shocked at the pump price which was way above even the most expensive village garage in England. Pump price in London was absolute peanuts. https://platformlondon.org/scotland/https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-30/scots-lost-out-in-uk-oil-and-gas-endgame/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15483952.revealed-westminster-and-the-big-lie-about-scotlands-oil/ https://platformlondon.org/scotland/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 5:09 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. Oh Brian, I'm not being serious... I'll give you a sign next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 5:09 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. 1) Scotland could charge the Sassenachs a parking fee, unless we moved them to some English port.....and that wouldn't be popular as not many folk want nuclear bombs sat in their backyard! 3) Oil is the main reason England doesn't want Scotland to have independence. It's history now but Scotland know how we screwed them over big time with oil and with what's left, the tables would turn. I remember years ago touring Scotland and being shocked at the pump price which was way above even the most expensive village garage in England. Pump price in London was absolute peanuts. https://platformlondon.org/scotland/https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-30/scots-lost-out-in-uk-oil-and-gas-endgame/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15483952.revealed-westminster-and-the-big-lie-about-scotlands-oil/ https://platformlondon.org/scotland/ We've hot a nuclear power station in the West Country , four subs wont be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-30 7:00 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 5:09 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. 1) Scotland could charge the Sassenachs a parking fee, unless we moved them to some English port.....and that wouldn't be popular as not many folk want nuclear bombs sat in their backyard! 3) Oil is the main reason England doesn't want Scotland to have independence. It's history now but Scotland know how we screwed them over big time with oil and with what's left, the tables would turn. I remember years ago touring Scotland and being shocked at the pump price which was way above even the most expensive village garage in England. Pump price in London was absolute peanuts. https://platformlondon.org/scotland/https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-30/scots-lost-out-in-uk-oil-and-gas-endgame/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15483952.revealed-westminster-and-the-big-lie-about-scotlands-oil/ https://platformlondon.org/scotland/ We've hot a nuclear power station in the West Country , four subs wont be a problem. Bridgewater? Due for decommissioning next year when the French get the other Hinkley online and start raking in the money from us proles. Taking back control and all that stuff eh? (lol) You need to get your house lead lined to guard against all those nuclear biowaves which can seriously mess with your gut biome. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Ooops i hope its not a hot nuclear power station or I'll need to make a hasty exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 7:33 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 7:00 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 5:09 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. 1) Scotland could charge the Sassenachs a parking fee, unless we moved them to some English port.....and that wouldn't be popular as not many folk want nuclear bombs sat in their backyard! 3) Oil is the main reason England doesn't want Scotland to have independence. It's history now but Scotland know how we screwed them over big time with oil and with what's left, the tables would turn. I remember years ago touring Scotland and being shocked at the pump price which was way above even the most expensive village garage in England. Pump price in London was absolute peanuts. https://platformlondon.org/scotland/https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-30/scots-lost-out-in-uk-oil-and-gas-endgame/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15483952.revealed-westminster-and-the-big-lie-about-scotlands-oil/ https://platformlondon.org/scotland/ We've hot a nuclear power station in the West Country , four subs wont be a problem. Bridgewater? Due for decommissioning next year when the French get the other Hinkley online and start raking in the money from us proles. Taking back control and all that stuff eh? (lol) You need to get your house lead lined to guard against all those nuclear biowaves which can seriously mess with your gut biome. :D Taking back control isn't one of my catch lines it's more ...get rid of Brussels... But they seem to be doing the job themselves very well. I'm not against foreign investment. Now back to your gut , i hope you're eating less carbs and more fruit and veg .Carbs like Pizza and Pasta not good for your gut. Stay safe...look after your gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-30 7:41 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 7:33 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 7:00 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-30 5:09 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-30 4:31 PM......................... 1 Doesn't it have 4 nuclear submarines. 2 They don't actually need an army its difficult enough to stop people leaving. 3 The biggest problem is they spend more than they get in revenue. 1 Not that I'm aware of. There are 4 at Faslane, but they are British, not Scottish, and I can't somehow see HMG giving them away. 2 :-D 3 Yes, and I think they'd find it difficult to maintain that in independence. 1) Scotland could charge the Sassenachs a parking fee, unless we moved them to some English port.....and that wouldn't be popular as not many folk want nuclear bombs sat in their backyard! 3) Oil is the main reason England doesn't want Scotland to have independence. It's history now but Scotland know how we screwed them over big time with oil and with what's left, the tables would turn. I remember years ago touring Scotland and being shocked at the pump price which was way above even the most expensive village garage in England. Pump price in London was absolute peanuts. https://platformlondon.org/scotland/https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-09-30/scots-lost-out-in-uk-oil-and-gas-endgame/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15483952.revealed-westminster-and-the-big-lie-about-scotlands-oil/ https://platformlondon.org/scotland/ We've hot a nuclear power station in the West Country , four subs wont be a problem. Bridgewater? Due for decommissioning next year when the French get the other Hinkley online and start raking in the money from us proles. Taking back control and all that stuff eh? (lol) You need to get your house lead lined to guard against all those nuclear biowaves which can seriously mess with your gut biome. :D Taking back control isn't one of my catch lines it's more ...get rid of Brussels. A puny little bloke with funny moustache tried 81 years ago. He committed suicide and Brussels remains. B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM unless we moved (Nuclear Subs) to some English port. My understanding is English ports are not deep enough for the subs to go in and out underwater and invisible. They have to go on the surface, making themselves visible. Which defeats the whole point of a military submarine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 interesting that at no time did England believe all of the EU should vote to decide if England could be Independent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 John52 - 2021-01-30 10:07 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM unless we moved (Nuclear Subs) to some English port. My understanding is English ports are not deep enough for the subs to go in and out underwater and invisible. They have to go on the surface, making themselves visible. Which defeats the whole point of a military submarine. There's Devonport in Plymouth and another sub base at Portsmouth but you'd be better off keeping 'em parked up at Faslane and billing England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Mikey - 2021-01-30 10:28 PM interesting that at no time did England believe all of the EU should vote to decide if England could be Independent? Yes that's been noted on more than a few forums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 John52 - 2021-01-30 10:07 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM unless we moved (Nuclear Subs) to some English port. My understanding is English ports are not deep enough for the subs to go in and out underwater and invisible. They have to go on the surface, making themselves visible. Which defeats the whole point of a military submarine. Have you ever been to Scotland? The Subs at Faslane arrive and depart on the surface with an escorting Frigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 John52 - 2021-01-30 10:07 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM unless we moved (Nuclear Subs) to some English port. My understanding is English ports are not deep enough for the subs to go in and out underwater and invisible. They have to go on the surface, making themselves visible. Which defeats the whole point of a military submarine. Further evidence that Joke52 doesn't know what he's talking about *-) .......... As per usual (lol) (lol) (lol) ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-31 8:10 AM John52 - 2021-01-30 10:07 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM unless we moved (Nuclear Subs) to some English port. My understanding is English ports are not deep enough for the subs to go in and out underwater and invisible. They have to go on the surface, making themselves visible. Which defeats the whole point of a military submarine. Have you ever been to Scotland? The Subs at Faslane arrive and depart on the surface with an escorting Frigate. Some do of course But they can get in and out underwater if they want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-01-31 9:12 AM John52 - 2021-01-30 10:07 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-30 6:45 PM unless we moved (Nuclear Subs) to some English port. My understanding is English ports are not deep enough for the subs to go in and out underwater and invisible. They have to go on the surface, making themselves visible. Which defeats the whole point of a military submarine. Further evidence that Joke52 doesn't know what he's talking about *-) .......... As per usual (lol) (lol) (lol) ...... Go on then explain to us why BoJo is showering Scotland with you LOSERs money *-) (and Northern Ireland and Wales) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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