Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-02-14 11:31 AM Lets dig a tunnel to Northern Ireland a thousand feet below the sea through a seabed littered with volatile WW2 munitions in order to sneak stuff into Northern Ireland! (lol) Can someone point out to me what difference this will make to the current situation? . It means that customs checks will be at the end of a tunnel, instead of in ports. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 malc d - 2021-02-14 9:32 PM Barryd999 - 2021-02-14 11:31 AM Lets dig a tunnel to Northern Ireland a thousand feet below the sea through a seabed littered with volatile WW2 munitions in order to sneak stuff into Northern Ireland! (lol) Can someone point out to me what difference this will make to the current situation? . It means that customs checks will be at the end of a tunnel, instead of in ports. :-| Assuming the EU still exists by the time its built :D ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... Now are you sure about where that decimal point is? We wouldn't want you to look silly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-02-14 9:41 PM pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... Now are you sure about where that decimal point is? We wouldn't want you to look silly again. No worries........even if it costs me £3.70 a year to annoy the SNP and Joke52........Its a bargain :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-14 5:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Four centuries of Roman domination were not enough to teach you the basics of road engineering. In fact, just googling something like "roman roads in great britain" and you will see maps from which you will discover that the Romans have nothing to do with the Cornish roads. Which are pure Blighty technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... You can carry on believing £12 billion = 0.00037p if it makes you happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-15 10:00 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... You can carry on believing £12 billion = 0.00037p if it makes you happy Like I've said ;-) ........... Even if it costs £3.70 a year to annoy the SNP and You.......Its a bargain :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 mtravel - 2021-02-15 9:57 AM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 5:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Four centuries of Roman domination were not enough to teach you the basics of road engineering. In fact, just googling something like "roman roads in great britain" and you will see maps from which you will discover that the Romans have nothing to do with the Cornish roads. Which are pure Blighty technology. Of course straight roads are better, everyone knows that. But the Romans were a conquering army They could build straight roads because they didn't care what was in their way They just took it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:03 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 10:00 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... You can carry on believing £12 billion = 0.00037p if it makes you happy Like I've said ;-) ........... Even if it costs £3.70 a year to annoy the SNP and You.......Its a bargain :D ....... Why do you think you are annoying me by sending us £12 billion a year plus the cost of a tunnel to the EU we'll charge you to use :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-02-14 8:52 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. I can't speak for NZ but i've driven some very remote roads in Scotland such as the B871 south of Invernaver and the B887 to Hushinish on the outer Hebrides, both excellently maintained with good surface. Yes, and not just that. There are roads with hairpin bends on hills I couldn't get up in my FWD van in both Lake District and Cornwall. Never found one in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-15 10:08 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:03 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 10:00 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... You can carry on believing £12 billion = 0.00037p if it makes you happy Like I've said ;-) ........... Even if it costs £3.70 a year to annoy the SNP and You.......Its a bargain :D ....... Why do you think you are annoying me by sending us £12 billion a year plus the cost of a tunnel to the EU we'll charge you to use :D There's no chance of me wanting to go too NI or Scotland ever again ;-) .......... I prefer the sun to getting cold wet and eaten by midges 8-) ......... Of course we're annoying you by sending you £12 billion a year :D ........ That's why you keep on moaning about being bribed >:-) ......... But are you being bribed or are you allowing yourselves to be Bought? ;-) ....... Perhaps if the EU had offered to pay me to stay, I might of voted Remain (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:14 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 10:08 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:03 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 10:00 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... You can carry on believing £12 billion = 0.00037p if it makes you happy Like I've said ;-) ........... Even if it costs £3.70 a year to annoy the SNP and You.......Its a bargain :D ....... Why do you think you are annoying me by sending us £12 billion a year plus the cost of a tunnel to the EU we'll charge you to use :D There's no chance of me wanting to go too NI or Scotland ever again ;-) .......... I prefer the sun to getting cold wet and eaten by midges 8-) ......... Of course we're annoying you by sending you £12 billion a year :D ........ That's why you keep on moaning about being bribed >:-) ......... But are you being bribed or are you allowing yourselves to be Bought? ;-) ....... Perhaps if the EU had offered to pay me to stay, I might of voted Remain (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... You will still be paying the toll indirectly on the lorries bringing your goods. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-15 10:20 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:14 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 10:08 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:03 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 10:00 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-14 8:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. What do you expect for 0.00037p per year? :D .......... You can carry on believing £12 billion = 0.00037p if it makes you happy Like I've said ;-) ........... Even if it costs £3.70 a year to annoy the SNP and You.......Its a bargain :D ....... Why do you think you are annoying me by sending us £12 billion a year plus the cost of a tunnel to the EU we'll charge you to use :D There's no chance of me wanting to go too NI or Scotland ever again ;-) .......... I prefer the sun to getting cold wet and eaten by midges 8-) ......... Of course we're annoying you by sending you £12 billion a year :D ........ That's why you keep on moaning about being bribed >:-) ......... But are you being bribed or are you allowing yourselves to be Bought? ;-) ....... Perhaps if the EU had offered to pay me to stay, I might of voted Remain (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... You will still be paying the toll indirectly on the lorries bringing your goods. :D Psst ;-) ...........I bet the toll will be cheaper than the ferry costs (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:22 AM Psst ;-) ...........I bet the toll will be cheaper than the ferry costs (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Do you think we will give you LOSERS a discount on your toll because you paid for our tunnel (lol) (lol) (lol) ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 mtravel - 2021-02-15 9:57 AM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 5:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Four centuries of Roman domination were not enough to teach you the basics of road engineering. In fact, just googling something like "roman roads in great britain" and you will see maps from which you will discover that the Romans have nothing to do with the Cornish roads. Which are pure Blighty technology. Maybe you need to update your maps.... According to several antiquaries there were two Roman roads through Cornwall, both of which can be still partially traced. One was a continuation of Watling-street, and, coming by Exeter, entered Cornwall at Saltash, passed through Liskeard and Lostwithiel—with branches to Looe and Fowey—to St. Austell, Truro, Falmouth, and on to the west. The other passed through, Stratton, Camelford, Bodmin, Redruth, and St. Ives to the Land’s End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-02-15 1:20 PM mtravel - 2021-02-15 9:57 AM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 5:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Four centuries of Roman domination were not enough to teach you the basics of road engineering. In fact, just googling something like "roman roads in great britain" and you will see maps from which you will discover that the Romans have nothing to do with the Cornish roads. Which are pure Blighty technology. Maybe you need to update your maps.... According to several antiquaries there were two Roman roads through Cornwall, both of which can be still partially traced. One was a continuation of Watling-street, and, coming by Exeter, entered Cornwall at Saltash, passed through Liskeard and Lostwithiel—with branches to Looe and Fowey—to St. Austell, Truro, Falmouth, and on to the west. The other passed through, Stratton, Camelford, Bodmin, Redruth, and St. Ives to the Land’s End. Perhaps the only wide ones in the whole Region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-15 10:13 AM Bulletguy - 2021-02-14 8:52 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 8:21 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 7:57 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:37 PM mtravel - 2021-02-14 4:07 PM jumpstart - 2021-02-14 4:36 PM If it’s a Scottish Road they will have to engineer the potholes and make it single track . At least the Scots are smart enough to have put passing zones everywhere. In England (e.g. Cornwall) not even those. Could this be the reason why the best-selling motorhome accessory are mirror guards ? Max Built by the Romans. Built with LOSER pelmet's money more like :D Romans never got into Scotland Yes ,it was a joke, as you know ,like the roads , worse than some of the dirt tracks in New Zealand. I can't speak for NZ but i've driven some very remote roads in Scotland such as the B871 south of Invernaver and the B887 to Hushinish on the outer Hebrides, both excellently maintained with good surface. Yes, and not just that. There are roads with hairpin bends on hills I couldn't get up in my FWD van in both Lake District and Cornwall. Never found one in Scotland. Hardknott Pass in Cumbria is notoriously bad and the last time I drove it I was shocked at the state it had fallen into. Patches all over the place and chunks of asphalt crumbling away at the edges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-14 8:57 PM Romans never got into Scotland Partially true. Although it has been led to believe that the Romans only reached Hadrian's Wall, they went further north, into what is Scotland today. There are still quite evident traces of the Antonine Wall, built about twenty years after the most famous. That they then stop facing the resistance and bravery of the Scottish peoples is certainly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 mtravel - 2021-02-15 2:04 PM John52 - 2021-02-14 8:57 PM Romans never got into Scotland Partially true. Although it has been led to believe that the Romans only reached Hadrian's Wall, they went further north, into what is Scotland today. There are still quite evident traces of the Antonine Wall, built about twenty years after the most famous. That they then stop facing the resistance and bravery of the Scottish peoples is certainly true. Well the Scottish people had a lot of help from the mountainous terrain which greatly favoured the defenders. Even the border country is very difficult - so much so that the Scottish and English rail networks weren't connected for some years. You had to go up to Fleetwood by rail, get a boat to Ardrossan to rejoin the rail network. Like the Rock of Gibraltar where a small garrison kept the entire French & Spanish armies at bay till they gave up. If you walk up the Rock of Gibraltar, like some of Scotlands mountains, you begin to appreciate how difficult they would be to attack. Like Switzerland - Hitler left it because of its mountains. Which makes it all the more remarkable that Scottish roads are more passable for Motorhomes than some of Englands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-15 11:48 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:22 AM Psst ;-) ...........I bet the toll will be cheaper than the ferry costs (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Do you think we will give you LOSERS a discount on your toll because you paid for our tunnel (lol) (lol) (lol) ..... Who's economy do you think will suffer if they make it to expensive to bring stuff into the UK? ;-) ....... Irelands >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-15 5:33 PM Well the Scottish people had a lot of help from the mountainous terrain which greatly favoured the defenders. Even the border country is very difficult... ... ... Like Switzerland - Hitler left it because of its mountains. I don't think Hitler didn't invade Switzerland because of the mountains. Most likely for the money the Germans had in their banks. As for the orography of Scotland and the Romans, keep in mind that Ben Nevis is as high as the lower Prealps or the Vosges which were conquered a hundred years earlier. More likely, the Romans stop because they considered that Scotland was not worth the effort of a war of attrition being at that time not very interesting from an economic point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-02-16 9:42 AM John52 - 2021-02-15 11:48 AM pelmetman - 2021-02-15 10:22 AM Psst ;-) ...........I bet the toll will be cheaper than the ferry costs (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Do you think we will give you LOSERS a discount on your toll because you paid for our tunnel (lol) (lol) (lol) ..... Who's economy do you think will suffer if they make it to expensive to bring stuff into the UK? ;-) ....... Irelands >:-) ........... Ireland will have all the trade it needs with the EU How are your trade deals coming along *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 mtravel - 2021-02-16 1:26 PM John52 - 2021-02-15 5:33 PM Well the Scottish people had a lot of help from the mountainous terrain which greatly favoured the defenders. Even the border country is very difficult... ... ... Like Switzerland - Hitler left it because of its mountains. I don't think Hitler didn't invade Switzerland because of the mountains. Most likely for the money the Germans had in their banks. As for the orography of Scotland and the Romans, keep in mind that Ben Nevis is as high as the lower Prealps or the Vosges which were conquered a hundred years earlier. More likely, the Romans stop because they considered that Scotland was not worth the effort of a war of attrition being at that time not very interesting from an economic point of view. I would have thought the money in Switzerland would be an attraction to Hitler. He threatened to invade Switzerland if they didn't do as he told them. The Swiss said if you do that we will withdraw from the lowlands, and fight a war of attrition from the mountains like the British did at Gibraltar Hitler said 'you won't' Swiss said 'we will' etc I think Hitler believed them but who knows? What made Scotland so difficult to invade is that there are large areas where they could only get weapons and supplies in by the sea lochs. Doing that whilst under attack would be suicide without local knowledge. The Jacobite rebellion failed because both sides had that. Its commonly misconstrued as England v Scotland but in fact there were English and Scots on both sides. They didn't care who won as both sides were as bad. They just wanted to be on the winning side! Some families hedged their bets by having two brothers with one fighting on each side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 John52 - 2021-02-16 3:00 PM mtravel - 2021-02-16 1:26 PM John52 - 2021-02-15 5:33 PM Some families hedged their bets by having two brothers with one fighting on each side! W Flora MacDonald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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