CurtainRaiser Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-06-15 9:25 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 9:21 PM pelmetman - 2021-06-15 9:13 PM (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ............. ‘Whenever somebody is becoming fanatical and dogmatic, we have to assume - I would assume - that something is going wrong.’ (Psychoanalyst and writer, Adam Phillips) https://voicebritannia.co.uk/starmer-where-did-it-go-wrong/ (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ How you enjoying the longer lockdown? The one caused by your chum Johnson allowing 20,000 people to come in from India for a month after he was warned about it. And a month after other countries closed access. All those countries that were not over relying on the vaccine, your favorites in France, Spain and Germany, are back to normal. Didn't you say that they were going to overtake us in the league of leadership shame? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 9:21 PM pelmetman - 2021-06-15 9:13 PM (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ............. ‘Whenever somebody is becoming fanatical and dogmatic, we have to assume - I would assume - that something is going wrong.’ (Psychoanalyst and writer, Adam Phillips) It's best that the pest is completely ignored. Ideally Duncan will remove his trolling posts or the pest itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 8:44 PM I voted for Starmer in the leadership contest on the basis that he was promising to unite the party AND continue with the manifesto commitments. Since he has been in office he has divided the party further, lost 250,000 members (including me!) and is about to lose the backing of the unions, 20 points down in the polls. But we got flags, hurrah. "But we got flags, hurrah" (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:33 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 9:21 PM pelmetman - 2021-06-15 9:13 PM (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ............. ‘Whenever somebody is becoming fanatical and dogmatic, we have to assume - I would assume - that something is going wrong.’ (Psychoanalyst and writer, Adam Phillips) It's best that the pest is completely ignored. Ideally Duncan will remove his trolling posts or the pest itself. Suddenly he doesn't want to discuss Brexit or Johnson's covid cockups. At least the fishermen and farmers are prepared to admit they were conned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| Ed would have but Murdoch switched allegiance to the Tory party and decided the country was going to have a Tory PM. All bar three of msm are right wing. Look at the pro-Brexit fanatically anti-EU stance the right wing media has pumped out with it's screechy headers. That appeals to the simple minds and not so bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 9:57 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:33 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 9:21 PM pelmetman - 2021-06-15 9:13 PM (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) ............. ‘Whenever somebody is becoming fanatical and dogmatic, we have to assume - I would assume - that something is going wrong.’ (Psychoanalyst and writer, Adam Phillips) It's best that the pest is completely ignored. Ideally Duncan will remove his trolling posts or the pest itself. Suddenly he doesn't want to discuss Brexit or Johnson's covid cockups. At least the fishermen and farmers are prepared to admit they were conned. Of course not. Like his boyfriend he cannot debate/discuss. All they're on here for is to disrupt threads and behave like juveniles which is why the pair of them are best totally ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I wonder if he would still keep spamming the threads with the Union Jack if he knew what it was costing him to maintain it. How much of his money BoJo is giving to Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales to maintain BoJo's empire at his expense. Do you think he might realise who the LOSER is *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. -| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| Exactly. Being cynical, it is the safe option. You can hardly be criticised for doing the wrong thing if you continually evade office. So squeaky clean, but no experience of having to make the deeds match the rhetoric. What is the point of that? It achieves nothing except perpetual virtue signalling. It is necessary to appeal to a (sufficient) majority of voters to gain a majority of seats. If the policies do not appeal or convince, the voters won't buy them. So find out what is putting the voters off, and change it. Sod the arguments about political purity. Angels on pinheads? Just look at what appeals to the people as a whole, not at what appeals to extreme political purists. We currently have two problems. First a government with an 80 seat majority in parliament, which itself represents more of a failure on the part of the other parties than an outstanding success on the part of the party in office. Second, we have a floundering, ineffective, opposition, that has hardly laid a paw on the government despite their many failings and the weaknesses of the ministers. We need effective opposition for good government, whichever party is in office. We have a weak cabinet and an singularly ineffective shadow cabinet. Whose fault is that? Go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:33 PM It's best that the pest is completely ignored. Ideally Duncan will remove his trolling posts or the pest itself. Perhapds thats what he wants - so he can't be accused of running away from the mess he has made :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 One of the best descriptions of BoJo I have heard came from Michael Hesletine 'Boris looks which way the mob is running, then runs in front shouting 'follow me' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| The opposition are not just fighting a government though Malc, they're fighting a very powerful right wing media. Look at the incessant smear campaign they mounted against Corbyn which went on for years. Look how they tore into Starmer over Hartlepool.......one bloody constituency where voters moaned about "Labour never did anything for us" etc, completely ignoring the fact the Tories have been in power the past eleven years! Their new MP is the wife of a wealthy farmer who doesn't even live anywhere near Hartlepool so lets see how the media report on how she "connects" with the unemployed (Hartlepool has one of the highest levels of unemployment in the country at around 8.1% and around one in 11 people in the region are currently claiming benefits). Government recently rejected a request for a £170m bailout to pay operating expenses and deal with recent losses at Liberty Steel which employs 5000 in UK 250 of which are at Hartlepool. 1600 skilled jobs in Hartlepool were lost under the Tory government and manufacturing halved by 3,500......but Tory MP Dotty Dorries claimed Johnson had created "180,000 well paid jobs" in a town with a population half that. So every resident including pensioners in Hartlepool suddenly has two "well paid" jobs. *-) Worth reading the comments on this thread! https://twitter.com/search?q=nadine%20dorries%20hartlepool&src=typed_query Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-06-16 1:21 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. -| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| If the policies do not appeal or convince, the voters won't buy them. So find out what is putting the voters off, and change it. Sod the arguments about political purity. Angels on pinheads? Just look at what appeals to the people as a whole, not at what appeals to extreme political purists. Continual pathological lying seems to appeal, plenty of corruption, plundering the country for billions to hand out to your chums, whilst laughing in the faces of those daft enough to be "a believer".......that does the trick at the moment. We currently have two problems. First a government with an 80 seat majority in parliament, which itself represents more of a failure on the part of the other parties than an outstanding success on the part of the party in office. Second, we have a floundering, ineffective, opposition, that has hardly laid a paw on the government despite their many failings and the weaknesses of the ministers. We need effective opposition for good government, whichever party is in office. We have a weak cabinet and an singularly ineffective shadow cabinet. I think the only time that will change is once we've got on top of the pandemic which has provided Johnson with a smoke screen to hide behind. When that's gone, he is in deep doo doo and he knows it......and it won't matter if he's out of office either. There is a lot this government under Johnson has to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 1:55 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| The opposition are not just fighting a government though Malc, they're fighting a very powerful right wing media. Look at the incessant smear campaign they mounted against Corbyn which went on for years. Look how they tore into Starmer over Hartlepool.......one bloody constituency where voters moaned about "Labour never did anything for us" etc, completely ignoring the fact the Tories have been in power the past eleven years! Their new MP is the wife of a wealthy farmer who doesn't even live anywhere near Hartlepool so lets see how the media report on how she "connects" with the unemployed (Hartlepool has one of the highest levels of unemployment in the country at around 8.1% and around one in 11 people in the region are currently claiming benefits). Government recently rejected a request for a £170m bailout to pay operating expenses and deal with recent losses at Liberty Steel which employs 5000 in UK 250 of which are at Hartlepool. 1600 skilled jobs in Hartlepool were lost under the Tory government and manufacturing halved by 3,500......but Tory MP Dotty Dorries claimed Johnson had created "180,000 well paid jobs" in a town with a population half that. So every resident including pensioners in Hartlepool suddenly has two "well paid" jobs. *-) Worth reading the comments on this thread! https://twitter.com/search?q=nadine%20dorries%20hartlepool&src=typed_query I don't read any trivia on Twitter - ( it's irrelevant to the plight of the Labour party anyway ). It seems you believe that the collapse of the Labour party as an alternative government is everybodys' fault except its' members. If that is the general view in the party it looks like we could be stuck with Boris Johnson for years to come. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-06-16 2:30 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 1:55 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| The opposition are not just fighting a government though Malc, they're fighting a very powerful right wing media. Look at the incessant smear campaign they mounted against Corbyn which went on for years. Look how they tore into Starmer over Hartlepool.......one bloody constituency where voters moaned about "Labour never did anything for us" etc, completely ignoring the fact the Tories have been in power the past eleven years! Their new MP is the wife of a wealthy farmer who doesn't even live anywhere near Hartlepool so lets see how the media report on how she "connects" with the unemployed (Hartlepool has one of the highest levels of unemployment in the country at around 8.1% and around one in 11 people in the region are currently claiming benefits). Government recently rejected a request for a £170m bailout to pay operating expenses and deal with recent losses at Liberty Steel which employs 5000 in UK 250 of which are at Hartlepool. 1600 skilled jobs in Hartlepool were lost under the Tory government and manufacturing halved by 3,500......but Tory MP Dotty Dorries claimed Johnson had created "180,000 well paid jobs" in a town with a population half that. So every resident including pensioners in Hartlepool suddenly has two "well paid" jobs. *-) Worth reading the comments on this thread! https://twitter.com/search?q=nadine%20dorries%20hartlepool&src=typed_query I don't read any trivia on Twitter - ( it's irrelevant to the plight of the Labour party anyway ). It seems you believe that the collapse of the Labour party as an alternative government is everybodys' fault except its' members. If that is the general view in the party it looks like we could be stuck with Boris Johnson for years to come. :-| How is it "everybodys fault except the members?" From what I said, how have you managed to draw that conclusion? I never mentioned anything about the members so what about them? :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I think Malc has a point. The Labour party and its members especially are divided in its direction. On the one side you have the sandal wearing beardy Corbynistas and on the other the centre left Starmerites and they flaming hate each other. The hard left just dont seem to grasp that the UK is not really a Socialist country in its purest forms and never really was but it certainly isnt now. I like Starmer, I think he is a good man and a statesman but unless they unite behind him and stop whinging on about Corbyn etc and Starmer just being a secret Tory they are never going to get elected. Maybe its true, maybe some of them dont want to be elected. I think Starmer is playing the long game though. Slagging off the Tories or constantly calling them to account in the height of the pandemic probably wouldnt have been a good move because right now the new Baby Tories are heavily invested and its going to take time for them to come to their senses. It will be costly of course both for them and the country but when they do I hope Starmer has his house in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 2:50 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 2:30 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 1:55 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| The opposition are not just fighting a government though Malc, they're fighting a very powerful right wing media. Look at the incessant smear campaign they mounted against Corbyn which went on for years. Look how they tore into Starmer over Hartlepool.......one bloody constituency where voters moaned about "Labour never did anything for us" etc, completely ignoring the fact the Tories have been in power the past eleven years! Their new MP is the wife of a wealthy farmer who doesn't even live anywhere near Hartlepool so lets see how the media report on how she "connects" with the unemployed (Hartlepool has one of the highest levels of unemployment in the country at around 8.1% and around one in 11 people in the region are currently claiming benefits). Government recently rejected a request for a £170m bailout to pay operating expenses and deal with recent losses at Liberty Steel which employs 5000 in UK 250 of which are at Hartlepool. 1600 skilled jobs in Hartlepool were lost under the Tory government and manufacturing halved by 3,500......but Tory MP Dotty Dorries claimed Johnson had created "180,000 well paid jobs" in a town with a population half that. So every resident including pensioners in Hartlepool suddenly has two "well paid" jobs. *-) Worth reading the comments on this thread! https://twitter.com/search?q=nadine%20dorries%20hartlepool&src=typed_query I don't read any trivia on Twitter - ( it's irrelevant to the plight of the Labour party anyway ). It seems you believe that the collapse of the Labour party as an alternative government is everybodys' fault except its' members. If that is the general view in the party it looks like we could be stuck with Boris Johnson for years to come. :-| How is it "everybodys fault except the members?" From what I said, how have you managed to draw that conclusion? I never mentioned anything about the members so what about them? :-S Seems to me you blame the media for having a go at Labour - and the voters for not voting for them. The members should be asking themselves ' why ' Re-assuring to see that Barry, at least, gets my point. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 When 42% of the electorate can give you a 80 seat majority the country is f*&^ed. As I said I was a member, one who went out on the doorstep and one who voted for Starmer - he squandered any goodwill left in the left, so as a party its truly fecked too. Young members have moved their votes to the Greens and being young at heart I'm joining them. I think there is a decade or so in the wilderness and then all the young people who cant afford homes or pensions will kick back. Bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-06-16 4:27 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 2:50 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 2:30 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 1:55 PM malc d - 2021-06-16 9:34 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-06-15 10:12 PM malc d - 2021-06-15 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2021-06-15 9:30 PM David was a committed Blairite where Ed was more to the left. ...... and Blair won three elections for the party. :-| And continued with Thatchers policies and took the country into a illegal war. There was a reason Murdoch backed him. That doesn't mean that David Miliband would have started an illegal war. Seems to me there is a section of the Labour movement who are not concerned about ever being in government again. If that is their choice they are doing well - :-| The opposition are not just fighting a government though Malc, they're fighting a very powerful right wing media. Look at the incessant smear campaign they mounted against Corbyn which went on for years. Look how they tore into Starmer over Hartlepool.......one bloody constituency where voters moaned about "Labour never did anything for us" etc, completely ignoring the fact the Tories have been in power the past eleven years! Their new MP is the wife of a wealthy farmer who doesn't even live anywhere near Hartlepool so lets see how the media report on how she "connects" with the unemployed (Hartlepool has one of the highest levels of unemployment in the country at around 8.1% and around one in 11 people in the region are currently claiming benefits). Government recently rejected a request for a £170m bailout to pay operating expenses and deal with recent losses at Liberty Steel which employs 5000 in UK 250 of which are at Hartlepool. 1600 skilled jobs in Hartlepool were lost under the Tory government and manufacturing halved by 3,500......but Tory MP Dotty Dorries claimed Johnson had created "180,000 well paid jobs" in a town with a population half that. So every resident including pensioners in Hartlepool suddenly has two "well paid" jobs. *-) Worth reading the comments on this thread! https://twitter.com/search?q=nadine%20dorries%20hartlepool&src=typed_query I don't read any trivia on Twitter - ( it's irrelevant to the plight of the Labour party anyway ). It seems you believe that the collapse of the Labour party as an alternative government is everybodys' fault except its' members. If that is the general view in the party it looks like we could be stuck with Boris Johnson for years to come. :-| How is it "everybodys fault except the members?" From what I said, how have you managed to draw that conclusion? I never mentioned anything about the members so what about them? :-S Seems to me you blame the media for having a go at Labour - and the voters for not voting for them. The members should be asking themselves ' why ' Re-assuring to see that Barry, at least, gets my point. ;-) The media did a lot more than "having a go" during Corbyns tenure Malc. It was an incessant constant daily smear attack which at times, the depths to which they plummeted became embarrassing as it was so blatantly obvious what they were doing. Even people who were not Labour were asking on forums, "what is it he's supposed to have said re antisemitism because we can't find anything?" Naturally nobody could provide anything for them. Johnsons racism is very clear though as the remarks he's made are in print and easily found. The few Tories who have spoken out about it get shot down and shut up like Baroness Warsi, same as the Tory peer who complained to Johnson about the parties involvement with far right neo-Nazi parties in Europe. Certainly Corbyn didn't make it clear where he and the LP stood over Brexit which didn't help matters though as i've said before, thats because Corbyn is really a Brexiteer where Johnson isn't. People wanted Brexit and they won their little referendum......but lost everything else. Not one of them has yet managed a logical explanation of how it's benefitting them, I suspect because they don't know. An update on that "first major Brexit success", the Australian deal. The 15 year protection clause for UK farmers got quietly dropped so we can wave our farming industry goodbye too. In 2015 a year before the referendum UK was exporting over 90% of it's meat to EU countries. Still, as with the fishing industry I expect many farmers voted Brexit too so i've no sympathy for those that did......they wanted to believe liars and a snake oil salesman and it appears they still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Chuckle ... The Corbyn Brothers dont get it ... Thats why Labour wont be in power any time soon ... They'll blame everyone else ... As usual ... Chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Which is hardly a ringing endorsement for Labour. On the face of it, it reads like plea for people to wait for the present administration to shoot itself in the foot, and vote for Labour because they aren't Tories. How about Labour puts forward policies that inspire people to vote for them. Since 1945 there have been 13 Labour administrations, 21 Conservative, and one Coalition. Why? It can't all be due to media hostility, can it? In terms of tenure, Blair was the most successful PM Labour has ever had. Yes, Iraq was an appalling misjudgement, but Iraq wasn't what got Labour elected in the first place. What got them elected was what they offered compared to a very tired Conservative offering. Now Blair is dismissed as a proto-Tory, but what he offered was what people wanted, and it was a sort of pragmatic Socialism, not the "pure" version. Three terms seems the practical limit before folie de grandeur strikes, and he managed that - albeit the folie was spectacularly disastrous when it struck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-06-16 7:40 PM On the face of it, it reads like plea for people to wait for the present administration to shoot itself in the foot, and vote for Labour because they aren't Tories. They're already doing it Brian......we're looking at a fanatical cult here more than willing to throw themselves under the next bus for their Dear Leader. Look at the jobs and industries which have been thrown on the scrap heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-06-16 7:48 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-06-16 7:40 PM On the face of it, it reads like plea for people to wait for the present administration to shoot itself in the foot, and vote for Labour because they aren't Tories. They're already doing it Brian......we're looking at a fanatical cult here more than willing to throw themselves under the next bus for their Dear Leader. Look at the jobs and industries which have been thrown on the scrap heap. I look forward to hearing a united Labour party announcing their plans to persuade the voters to replace Johnson and Co. at the next election. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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