Guest pelmetman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Belarus is clearly responsible for the welfare of these people, who they conned into thinking that Poland would let them in, but Belarus are very unlikely to look after any of them. My guess is that Poland/ EU/ UN will set up a camp inside Poland where they can be taken care of until they are " processed " i.e. either allowed entry or returned home. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-11-16 1:35 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Getting a plane to land, and take off again, in a forest, is not at all "simple ". You obviously haven't given that idea a lot of thought. ( No change there then ! ) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-11-16 1:43 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 1:35 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Getting a plane to land, and take off again, in a forest, is not at all "simple ". You obviously haven't given that idea a lot of thought. ( No change there then ! ) ;-) Thats about as much detail as the Brexit / Johnson / Daily Express / Sun reader "types" can probably muster. The campaign slogan for Brexit and the ToryKippers should have just been whats on the Skeggy poster Go Away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 2:53 PM malc d - 2021-11-16 1:43 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 1:35 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Getting a plane to land, and take off again, in a forest, is not at all "simple ". You obviously haven't given that idea a lot of thought. ( No change there then ! ) ;-) Thats about as much detail as the Brexit / Johnson / Daily Express / Sun reader "types" can probably muster. I was surprised that Dave would open the border and allow them into Poland. I think he might have gone a bit soft in his sunlit uplands. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-11-16 1:43 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 1:35 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Getting a plane to land, and take off again, in a forest, is not at all "simple ". You obviously haven't given that idea a lot of thought. ( No change there then ! ) ;-) So Poland dosen't have airports 8-) .......... It's amazing what I learn from you edjermercated types ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 They managed to walk all the way to Polands border, Im pretty sure the liccle darlings could walk to an airport for a free plane ticket and bacon sarnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 Migrant city and banking sector https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/16/chaos-at-belarus-poland-border-as-migrants-attempt-to-enter-eu workers attack Polish border guards ... Nice lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-11-16 7:06 PM They managed to walk all the way to Polands border, Im pretty sure the liccle darlings could walk to an airport for a free plane ticket and bacon sarnie Except they didn't. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59233244 Most people would have begun to understand by now that Putin is trying to destabilise the west. But you and Pelmethead can't see the link between Russian oligarchs funding the Tories, Brexit and this latest little caper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-11-16 8:03 PM Birdbrain - 2021-11-16 7:06 PM They managed to walk all the way to Polands border, Im pretty sure the liccle darlings could walk to an airport for a free plane ticket and bacon sarnie Except they didn't. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59233244 Most people would have begun to understand by now that Putin is trying to destabilise the west. But you and Pelmethead can't see the link between Russian oligarchs funding the Tories, Brexit and this latest little caper. Your talking for a lot of folk princess with your "Most people" guff, can you back that up??? ... If those young male chancers know where Minsk Airport is already then they dont need a taxi back to it do they??? ... Hate on Sugar Plum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-11-16 5:16 PM malc d - 2021-11-16 1:43 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 1:35 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Getting a plane to land, and take off again, in a forest, is not at all "simple ". You obviously haven't given that idea a lot of thought. ( No change there then ! ) ;-) So Poland dosen't have airports 8-) .......... It's amazing what I learn from you edjermercated types ;-) ........ I can see you are struggling with this one Dave so I will explain. Poland DOES have airports - but not in the forests at the border with Belarus, where the immigrants are. So, to get them to a Polish airport, YOU would have to let them enter into Poland, to get to an airport. Get it ? Hopefully that is clear enough for you to follow - I don't want to have to explain why planes can't land in forests. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 malc d - 2021-11-16 8:46 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 5:16 PM malc d - 2021-11-16 1:43 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 1:35 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 12:09 PM pelmetman - 2021-11-16 10:49 AM Barryd999 - 2021-11-16 10:31 AM Lukashenko needs dealing with. This is shaping up to be a real humanitarian crisis and Lukashenko is to blame. Somethings got to give, This is Europe not Iraq. I guess Lukashenko is counting on the EU persuading Poland to let them in so we can deal with them and that is probably what will happen. These poor people have been conned though. If they are from a state in Iraq that is stable they probably wont have grounds for Asylum anyway and are just suffering misery as pawns in Lukashenko's retaliation for sanctions, sanctions which were justly deserved. It looks dreadful. Yeah let the EU do another Merkel and let them in 8-) .......... Like that solved the problem last time *-) ........... What would you suggest then? Lukashenko has trafficked them here. How do you think he will respond in caring for them if Poland stands firm as Mr Birdbrain suggests? Its sub zero temperatures, there are women and small children, people are huddling together on the ground to stay alive at night and its only going to get worse. Do you suggest they just let them start dying? Chances are most of them will get deported by the sound of it but they cant just leave them there to freeze to death. Is that what you want? If not lets hear your suggestions. Straight onto a plane back home.......or they get locked up.......simples *-) ......... Getting a plane to land, and take off again, in a forest, is not at all "simple ". You obviously haven't given that idea a lot of thought. ( No change there then ! ) ;-) So Poland dosen't have airports 8-) .......... It's amazing what I learn from you edjermercated types ;-) ........ I can see you are struggling with this one Dave so I will explain. Poland DOES have airports - but not in the forests alongside Belarus, where the immigrants are. So, to get them to a Polish airport, YOU would have to let them enter into Poland, to get to an airport. Get it ? Hopefully that is clear enough for you to follow - I don't want to have to explain why planes can't land in forests. ;-) You will need pictures of airports with big red arrows pointing "this is an airport.....planes take off and land here". *-) It's worse than nappy training a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Got to feel sorry for those poor Polish security forces ... Simply doing their jobs and protecting their country from invaders and they come under attack from the women and children trying to break in ... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-turns-water-cannon-rock-throwing-migrants-border-2021-11-16/ ... I bet if it was Christian invaders trying to get into the countries those types on the border come from it would be more than water cannons being used ... Lordy My Boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 12:03 PM Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report If they were genuine then they'd seek refuge in the first country they arrived in *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-11-17 1:40 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 12:03 PM Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report If they were genuine then they'd seek refuge in the first country they arrived in *-) ........... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 pelmetman - 2021-11-17 1:40 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 12:03 PM Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report If they were genuine then they'd seek refuge in the first country they arrived in *-) ........... Why would they do that when it's so easy to get into the U.K. ? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 12:03 PM Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report Damn, aren't facts just the most pesky of things? :-D The Guardian article points out that the report uses Home Office information as its basis, and also states "According to the Home Office, 98% of people coming across the Channel apply for asylum." This rather contradicts Farage type claims that substantial numbers just "disappear" into the black economy. Seemingly, only 2% evade detection. It goes on to quote the report findings as follows: "The report shows that for Syrians, 88% are granted refugee status; for Eritreans the rate is 84%; for Sudanese and those from Yemen, 70%; for Iranians, 67%; for Vietnamese, 65%; for people from Kuwait Bidoun, 61%; and for Afghans, 56%. If an asylum claim is refused by the Home Office at the initial decision stage, the applicant has a right of appeal to an independent tribunal. The report shows 59% of appeals are likely be allowed for the top 10 countries of origin, compared with 46% for appeals allowed for all countries. For example, 59% of appeals by Iranians are likely to be successful, as are 69% of Sudanese appeals and 73% of appeals by Syrians. Enver Solomon, the chief executive of the Refugee Council, said: “The analysis contradicts the government’s narrative that people coming across the Channel are not refugees. The reality is that people who come to the UK by taking terrifying journeys in small boats across the Channel do so because they are desperately seeking safety having fled persecution, terror and oppression.” Patel is trying to ride two horses. First, the legal horse imposed on her by Parliament. Second the populist horse she rides to keep Dave and Antony happy. Going well, ain't it? (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I've said it before and ill say it again. If someone is clever and brave enough to escape war zones, cross continents, perilous sea journeys in beach toys and then somehow make it to Calais and then paddle to England they must be made of stern stuff and ingenuity. Dave says we have thousands of job vacancies. Can you see where i am going with this? (lol) I would say people like that are bound to make more of a success of post Brexit blighty than our average unemployed Brit who cant even be arsed to go pull a few cabbages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 5:04 PM I've said it before and ill say it again. If someone is clever and brave enough to escape war zones, cross continents, perilous sea journeys in beach toys and then somehow make it to Calais and then paddle to England they must be made of stern stuff and ingenuity. Dave says we have thousands of job vacancies. Can you see where i am going with this? (lol) I would say people like that are bound to make more of a success of post Brexit blighty than our average unemployed Brit who cant even be arsed to go pull a few cabbages. Ive said it before and ill say it again if someone is clever and brave enough to pretend to be escaping war zones, cross continents, perilous sea journeys in beach toys then its our duty as tax payers to fund their new lifestyle that they wouldnt get in all the other countries they've graced on the way ere ... Why dont you have a word with the local farmers and tell em your willing to put up a young hard working male in your gaff if they give him a job??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 12:03 PM Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report Fella who endlessly pukes out up and down his internet world that this government is the "most corrupt, lying government ever" now all of a sudden believes the "most corrupt, lying government ever" ... You couldn't make it up ... Well Barry could ... Hypocrite ... If those young males are that decent why havent you housed one??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Lets hope it sends a message to other young male professionals wanting a bit ... https://news.sky.com/story/i-am-scared-messages-of-regret-and-warnings-from-migrants-on-the-belarus-poland-border-12470873 ... Go to a warmer country ... Keep strong Poland, you are doing a cracking job xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-11-17 6:07 PM Barryd999 - 2021-11-17 12:03 PM Ooooh look! Bang goes the theory that all these Asylum seekers are all young male chancers which is pretty much what Cruella Patel said. Its official. Almost two thirds of them are genuine asylum seekers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/most-people-who-risk-channel-boat-crossings-are-refugees-report Fella who endlessly pukes out up and down his internet world that this government is the "most corrupt, lying government ever" now all of a sudden believes the "most corrupt, lying government ever" ... You couldn't make it up ... Well Barry could ... Hypocrite ... If those young males are that decent why havent you housed one??? LOL! This is based on home office data and freedom of information requests. Its a fair point though and I am surprised this corrupt government doesnt seem to have been able to spread its corruption tentacles deep enough (yet) to cover this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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