Barryd999 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Didn't we also fall from the top of the G7 to the bottom after Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Just spent a couple of seconds finding your data, interesting how we used to be at the top so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 colin - 2022-02-13 10:52 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Just spent a couple of seconds finding your data, interesting how we used to be at the top so often. Most odd that innit? Its like from 2016 onwards it fell of a cliff. Can anyone think why that might be? What happened in 2016 to send it plunging downwards? 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-02-13 9:29 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM Source: OECD. Care to link to your evidence? ;-) ........ Couldn't you find it in the Daily Mail Dave *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Barryd999 - 2022-02-13 11:05 AM colin - 2022-02-13 10:52 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Just spent a couple of seconds finding your data, interesting how we used to be at the top so often. Most odd that innit? Its like from 2016 onwards it fell of a cliff. Can anyone think why that might be? What happened in 2016 to send it plunging downwards? 8-) Pelmet ran off to hide under his rock after Colin posted that graph. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-02-13 9:29 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Care to link to your evidence? ;-) ........ I did. All you have to do is read - again! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Bulletguy - 2022-02-13 3:06 PM Barryd999 - 2022-02-13 11:05 AM colin - 2022-02-13 10:52 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Just spent a couple of seconds finding your data, interesting how we used to be at the top so often. Most odd that innit? Its like from 2016 onwards it fell of a cliff. Can anyone think why that might be? What happened in 2016 to send it plunging downwards? 8-) Pelmet ran off to hide under his rock after Colin posted that graph. :D Maybe he's gone off to ask someone what all those wiggly lines on the chart mean. ? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Brian Kirby - 2022-02-13 3:41 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-13 9:29 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Care to link to your evidence? ;-) ........ I did. All you have to do is read - again! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Yeah I had a look at the OECD website ;-) ......... Couldn't find any evidence of what you claim (?) ....... Perhaps you could post a link to the OECD page? :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-02-13 5:21 PM Yeah I had a look at the OECD website ;-) ......... Couldn't find any evidence of what you claim (?) ....... Perhaps you could post a link to the OECD page? :-| ......... And yet it took me mere seconds to find the data. Maybe you would like to post a link to the data which says the UK has never topped G7 when in EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 colin - 2022-02-13 7:35 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-13 5:21 PM Yeah I had a look at the OECD website ;-) ......... Couldn't find any evidence of what you claim (?) ....... Perhaps you could post a link to the OECD page? :-| ......... And yet it took me mere seconds to find the data. Maybe you would like to post a link to the data which says the UK has never topped G7 when in EU. Bump (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 pelmetman - 2022-02-13 5:21 PM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-13 3:41 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-13 9:29 AM Brian Kirby - 2022-02-12 4:04 PM pelmetman - 2022-02-11 7:37 PM colin - 2022-02-11 7:27 PM Economy still below pre-pandemic, meanwhile the US and France are forging ahead. How very "Last quarter" :D ....... Who's had the best performing economy in the G7 2021? B-) ....... And is predicted to be top of the G7 again in 2022 >:-) ....... Remind me....... WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU??? (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Well, since you ask Dave: :-D Years with UK annual GDP growth higher than G7: 1973 (the year we joined the EEC) - 2020 (last available full year figures: and our first full year out). Source: OECD. 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018. So, in 24 out of the 47 years we were in the EEC/EU, or just over 50% of the time! Care to link to your evidence? ;-) ........ I did. All you have to do is read - again! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) Yeah I had a look at the OECD website ;-) ......... Couldn't find any evidence of what you claim (?) ....... Perhaps you could post a link to the OECD page? :-| ......... Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle! (lol) (lol) (lol) I anticipated some such tripe, and I also realised that the government's current (highly selective) claim is that the UK has the highest rate of GDP increase of all of the G7 countries, and not just higher than the G7 average (as in the above figures). So, as you seem to have missed that error, just for accuracy you understand, I looked again - for the years when UK actually had the highest rate of GDP growth in the G7. So, first definitions: The G7 economies are those of Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, and the USA. (It's a bit difficult to understand why you consider the UK's economic performance relative to the USA, Canada, and Japan is of special significance to our membership of the EEC/EU - but I'll leave you to worry over that! :-D) Of the 48 years (inclusive), from 1973 (when we joined the EEC), to 2020 (which is the last year with full data), the fastest rate of GDP growth in the G7 has been recorded by: The USA: in 1977, ’78, ’83, ’84, ’86, ’92, ’93, ’96, ’98, 2004, ’05, ’09, ’12, ’15, ’18, ‘19’ and ’20, so 17 times. Japan: in 1973, ’75, ’81, ’82, ’85, ’88, ’89, and ’90, so 8 times. Canada: in 1994, ’99, ‘2000, ‘02, ’08, ’13, and ’17, so 7 times. Britain: in 1987, ’97, 2001, ’03, ’14, and ’16, so 6 times. Germany: in 1991, 2006, ’07, ’10, and ’11, so 5 times. Italy: in 1974, ’76, ’79, ’80, and ’95, so 5 times. France has not recorded the fastest annual rate of GDP growth in the G7 in any year within that period. That information is all available from the OECD website, in the form of charts and tables, and all are downloadable as .csv files. I downloaded the relevant file (annual GDP growth for the G7 1973 - 2020) into Excel, so that I could sort it by years and then by countries, and the above is the result. As there are 7 countries in the G7, and the timespan in 1973 - 2020 inc. (48 years) there are 329 lines of data to review. So, if you want any more, you can exercise your brain cell and do it yourself! It's all there, for those willing to look, and I'm not wasting any more time spoon-feeding my way past your bias and your stupid implication that I'm making up the answers. What I'm showing you is the world as it really is, Dave, so get used to it. Every one of those 48 years is there, nothing is added or left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 LOL! Another skewering. (lol) Then there is this from 2016 https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/news/brexit/ Nothing seems so rosy now though does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM I’m not trying to burst anyones bubble but this playground spat between those that want to show the U.K. doing well after Brexit and those that want to show the opposite - is, IMO, one of the most puerile discussions I have come across. It has receded into tribal willy waving. It matters not a jot about which country has the biggest XXXX - because it depends upon how you measure the data and what data you look at. GDP? or GDPgrowth? or PPP? I really don’t understand the mentality of people who seem childishly desperate to cherry pick data that “proves” they are bigger plonkers than the other tribe. Eh? pelmetman asked the question WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU? and got an answer whats wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:51 PM John52 - 2022-02-14 1:48 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM I’m not trying to burst anyones bubble but this playground spat between those that want to show the U.K. doing well after Brexit and those that want to show the opposite - is, IMO, one of the most puerile discussions I have come across. It has receded into tribal willy waving. It matters not a jot about which country has the biggest XXXX - because it depends upon how you measure the data and what data you look at. GDP? or GDPgrowth? or PPP? I really don’t understand the mentality of people who seem childishly desperate to cherry pick data that “proves” they are bigger plonkers than the other tribe. Eh? pelmetman asked the question WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU? and got an answer whats wrong with that? The fact that you lot could not ignore a prod from a prankster who winds you up every time. You’re so daft that you don’t see what is going on. But still you come back for more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:51 PM John52 - 2022-02-14 1:48 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM I’m not trying to burst anyones bubble but this playground spat between those that want to show the U.K. doing well after Brexit and those that want to show the opposite - is, IMO, one of the most puerile discussions I have come across. It has receded into tribal willy waving. It matters not a jot about which country has the biggest XXXX - because it depends upon how you measure the data and what data you look at. GDP? or GDPgrowth? or PPP? I really don’t understand the mentality of people who seem childishly desperate to cherry pick data that “proves” they are bigger plonkers than the other tribe. Eh? pelmetman asked the question WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU? and got an answer whats wrong with that? The fact that you lot could not ignore a prod from a prankster who winds you up every time. You’re so daft that you don’t see what is going on. We all like playing the game ?? Personally I'm beginning to think 'leftie dave' is a plant by the labour party to highlight the governments shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-14 1:55 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:51 PM John52 - 2022-02-14 1:48 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM I’m not trying to burst anyones bubble but this playground spat between those that want to show the U.K. doing well after Brexit and those that want to show the opposite - is, IMO, one of the most puerile discussions I have come across. It has receded into tribal willy waving. It matters not a jot about which country has the biggest XXXX - because it depends upon how you measure the data and what data you look at. GDP? or GDPgrowth? or PPP? I really don’t understand the mentality of people who seem childishly desperate to cherry pick data that “proves” they are bigger plonkers than the other tribe. Eh? pelmetman asked the question WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU? and got an answer whats wrong with that? The fact that you lot could not ignore a prod from a prankster who winds you up every time. You’re so daft that you don’t see what is going on. But still you come back for more? Grumbling Funny John thinks he is a cut above the rest of us on Chatterbollox you see and knows everything. He is good at cut and paste though, will give him that but then even when far cleverer people than him prove him wrong he still says he's right so maybe not so clever. Its still willy waving with just more words. As for getting wound up by a "prankster" (lol) I Dont think anything could be further from the truth. Its just good sport pelmet baiting but its a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Ouch https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-mcguinness-says-no-uk-clearing-access-after-june-2025-2022-02-11/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0Fg8PBOFHKz7BqrmJiPrZz4yVLjGhHDUAkUpQF83snrQk2OrsNMUpY8mc "Please stay..." https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/boes-bailey-sees-no-need-eu-time-limit-euro-clearing-access-2022-02-10/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Interesting interpretation. EU recognise that systems are not in place and extends timescale so as not to damage EU based companies. Gives companies plenty of time to plan for changes. Now which bit of the UK's actions should I reference? Theres There's simply so many where to make a political point businesses have been sold down the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 2:31 PM Barryd999 - 2022-02-14 2:11 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-14 1:55 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:51 PM John52 - 2022-02-14 1:48 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM I’m not trying to burst anyones bubble but this playground spat between those that want to show the U.K. doing well after Brexit and those that want to show the opposite - is, IMO, one of the most puerile discussions I have come across. It has receded into tribal willy waving. It matters not a jot about which country has the biggest XXXX - because it depends upon how you measure the data and what data you look at. GDP? or GDPgrowth? or PPP? I really don’t understand the mentality of people who seem childishly desperate to cherry pick data that “proves” they are bigger plonkers than the other tribe. Eh? pelmetman asked the question WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU? and got an answer whats wrong with that? The fact that you lot could not ignore a prod from a prankster who winds you up every time. You’re so daft that you don’t see what is going on. But still you come back for more? Grumbling Funny John thinks he is a cut above the rest of us on Chatterbollox you see and knows everything. He is good at cut and paste though, will give him that but then even when far cleverer people than him prove him wrong he still says he's right so maybe not so clever. Its still willy waving with just more words. As for getting wound up by a "prankster" (lol) I Dont think anything could be further from the truth. Its just good sport pelmet baiting but its a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. I’m certain Pelmetman feels the same. But you react - he pokes. Its just a game though, its being going on for years. There used to be a few other Pelmets but he is the only game in town now. I dunno how he keeps going because he gets skewered every time. You say you ignore him but maybe its because you agree with a lot of the guff he comes out with. 8-) Can I ask again that people dont post huge long links? The thread format is knackered now. Use Tinurl. https://tinyurl.com/app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 You keep banging on about the Transit factory, its been debated to death on here so I suggest you do a search as I for one cannot be bothered to repeat old arguments. And by the way, effectively what you have said above merely demonstrates that the EU holds all the cards and come 2025 the City will be a shadow of its former self, a great shame as its where I met my missus many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM He is good at cut and paste though, . Yes, Because of my intermittent internet connection in the van I often type it into my word programme then Cut and paste it to my post - so if the connection drops out I don't have to retype it. That is Cut and Paste. Unlike Copy and paste which could be plagiarising it from someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 6:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-14 5:44 PM You keep banging on about the Transit factory, its been debated to death on here so I suggest you do a search as I for one cannot be bothered to repeat old arguments. And by the way, effectively what you have said above merely demonstrates that the EU holds all the cards and come 2025 the City will be a shadow of its former self, a great shame as its where I met my missus many years ago. Because it’s real and what happened! How can anyone defend the actions of the ECB in moving a viable production line to a non- EU Country via a £80m loan to a US company. You do not want to talk about it because the facts of this case are so bad for your tribes “position” that all you can do is the usual:- “Move along please! - Nothing to see here!.” Pretty pathetic really. But I'm not saying that, I'm saying read the previous threads on the matter AND if the points you raise are not addressed then raise them within those threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 6:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-14 5:44 PM You keep banging on about the Transit factory, its been debated to death on here so I suggest you do a search as I for one cannot be bothered to repeat old arguments. And by the way, effectively what you have said above merely demonstrates that the EU holds all the cards and come 2025 the City will be a shadow of its former self, a great shame as its where I met my missus many years ago. Because it’s real and what happened! How can anyone defend the actions of the ECB in moving a viable production line to a non- EU Country via a £80m loan to a US company. You do not want to talk about it because the facts of this case are so bad for your tribes “position” that all you can do is the usual:- “Move along please! - Nothing to see here!.” Pretty pathetic really. Had it been viable Ford would have continued production there but obviously it wasn't and 500 workers lost their jobs. 4,500 lost their jobs when Ford closed their production plant at Genk in Belgium at the same time. 3,500 employees lost their jobs when Honda shut down their plant at Swindon yet the forums Brexit cheerleader claimed "they will be better off because of Brexit". I asked numerous times for an explanation how someone whose lost their job, in some cases at Honda, entire families, thereby losing their home, can possibly be "better off because of Brexit". Needless to say, four years on and i'm still waiting for an explanation as to how someone losing their job will be "better off because of Brexit". Maybe UK government should have offered Ford and Honda a package deal to bribe them to stay here.....like they did for Nissan at Sunderland. https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/80m-support-and-an-exports-pledge-beiss-postbrexit-offer-to-nissan-revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 6:03 PM Barryd999 - 2022-02-14 5:26 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 2:31 PM Barryd999 - 2022-02-14 2:11 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-14 1:55 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:51 PM John52 - 2022-02-14 1:48 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 1:19 PM I’m not trying to burst anyones bubble but this playground spat between those that want to show the U.K. doing well after Brexit and those that want to show the opposite - is, IMO, one of the most puerile discussions I have come across. It has receded into tribal willy waving. It matters not a jot about which country has the biggest XXXX - because it depends upon how you measure the data and what data you look at. GDP? or GDPgrowth? or PPP? I really don’t understand the mentality of people who seem childishly desperate to cherry pick data that “proves” they are bigger plonkers than the other tribe. Eh? pelmetman asked the question WHEN DID THAT EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU? and got an answer whats wrong with that? The fact that you lot could not ignore a prod from a prankster who winds you up every time. You’re so daft that you don’t see what is going on. But still you come back for more? Grumbling Funny John thinks he is a cut above the rest of us on Chatterbollox you see and knows everything. He is good at cut and paste though, will give him that but then even when far cleverer people than him prove him wrong he still says he's right so maybe not so clever. Its still willy waving with just more words. As for getting wound up by a "prankster" (lol) I Dont think anything could be further from the truth. Its just good sport pelmet baiting but its a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. I’m certain Pelmetman feels the same. But you react - he pokes. Its just a game though, its being going on for years. There used to be a few other Pelmets but he is the only game in town now. I dunno how he keeps going because he gets skewered every time. You say you ignore him but maybe its because you agree with a lot of the guff he comes out with. 8-) Can I ask again that people dont post huge long links? The thread format is knackered now. Use Tinurl. https://tinyurl.com/app I actually on record as saying I don’t like his posts as I see them as “goading”. I’ve also asked him directly why he bothers as this is clearly a place where four individuals have “seen off” the more sensible adult, mature people such that Chatterbox is little more than Plato’s cave where the four fear what is “out there” on the other side of the flickering flame shadows on the cave walls, believing there to be monsters. Even when the fifth of the group who braved the “unknown” and went outside the cave to find a whole new world available to them returned and told the scared four, they preferred to stick with what they had over the years got used two. So despite the fifth person telling them that their fears were unfounded, the four said no and fought the fifth person. So he left them and moved on. Plato’s point - as I understand it - is that the fifth person had more opportunities to succeed and more opportunities to fail. Whilst the four, fearful of change, just wanted there small world to remain unchanged. Are you on drugs? WTF was all that about? (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gremlin - 2022-02-14 7:04 PM Bulletguy - 2022-02-14 6:52 PM Gremlin - 2022-02-14 6:10 PM CurtainRaiser - 2022-02-14 5:44 PM You keep banging on about the Transit factory, its been debated to death on here so I suggest you do a search as I for one cannot be bothered to repeat old arguments. And by the way, effectively what you have said above merely demonstrates that the EU holds all the cards and come 2025 the City will be a shadow of its former self, a great shame as its where I met my missus many years ago. Because it’s real and what happened! How can anyone defend the actions of the ECB in moving a viable production line to a non- EU Country via a £80m loan to a US company. You do not want to talk about it because the facts of this case are so bad for your tribes “position” that all you can do is the usual:- “Move along please! - Nothing to see here!.” Pretty pathetic really. Had it been viable Ford would have continued production there but obviously it wasn't and 500 workers lost their jobs. 4,500 lost their jobs when Ford closed their production plant at Genk in Belgium at the same time. 3,500 employees lost their jobs when Honda shut down their plant at Swindon yet the forums Brexit cheerleader claimed "they will be better off because of Brexit". I asked numerous times for an explanation how someone whose lost their job, in some cases at Honda, entire families, thereby losing their home, can possibly be "better off because of Brexit". Needless to say, four years on and i'm still waiting for an explanation as to how someone losing their job will be "better off because of Brexit". Maybe UK government should have offered Ford and Honda a package deal to bribe them to stay here.....like they did for Nissan at Sunderland. https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/80m-support-and-an-exports-pledge-beiss-postbrexit-offer-to-nissan-revealed Yes, on the last point I agree. At least now we are out of the EU we could do that. But whilst we, the U.K., DID provide Nissan with assurances….. The EU/ECB provided Ford with £80m to move the factory from Southampton to Turkey. And yet you defend the EU…… Those "assurances" amounted to £80m of taxpayers money to bribe them to stay. Where have I "defended the EU"? The EU certainly doesn't need me to "defend" it and is more than capable of conducting their business. I stated easily sourced information, something you often overlook when blowing your Brexit trumpet. Had Ford UK been viable, then production would have continued, but obviously it wasn't so they closed it down just as they closed their Belgium plant down with the loss of nine times as many employees. You need to ask your Brexit cheerleader, Dyson, why he moved his HQ and manufacturing to Singapore and Malaysia when there are over a million unemployed here who voted for "British jobs for British". Even that other Brexit cheerleader, Ratcliffe, who trumpeted about the "benefits of leaving the EU", promptly swanned off to build his Grenadier 4x4 in France, not South Wales as he'd initially promised. It would appear both realised the readily available FTA's and JIT necessary to production plus market access to a far bigger customer base throughout Europe and Asia than dealing with a little third country and it's import/export restrictions. So much for "Taking back control".......we are just a corner shop now. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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