John52 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) Globecar reviewer speaks of a rumour the 9 speed auto is 'not long for this world' at about 3m40s The rest of the review is interesting too I just couldn't understand why he is so concerned about splashes from the sink getting on the bed, but then he wants a great hole in the roof above it..... Edited October 15, 2023 by John52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Well I agree 100% with him, I've seen the same sink layout on Globecar's years ago and decided it needed a splashguard, the roof vent above bed we wouldn't be without. Personally I think on small vans such as this the shower in the corridor similar to ours, and used in Elegance R Prime, would be a better idea than a sliding wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) Haven't Stellantis just spent millions developing a universal (ICE+EV) 8 speed auto, due on line early 2023? If so then perhaps that's the route they'll take with the Ducato. Edited October 15, 2023 by Steve928 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 26 minutes ago, Steve928 said: Haven't Stellantis just spent millions developing a universal (ICE+EV) 8 speed auto, due on line early 2023? If so then perhaps that's the route they'll take with the Ducato. That's odd, most EV's are single speed, and a few are two speed. I do know most Stellantis EV's are based on a universal chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Yes it does sound odd. Here's what I recall reading; 229 millions Euros on an 8 speed trans for some EV models but also ICE. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.auto123.com/en/news/amp/stellantis-229-million-new-transmission-electrification/68570/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 15, 2023 Author Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, colin said: the roof vent above bed we wouldn't be without until it leaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve928 said: Yes it does sound odd. Here's what I recall reading; 229 millions Euros on an 8 speed trans for some EV models but also ICE. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.auto123.com/en/news/amp/stellantis-229-million-new-transmission-electrification/68570/ I would say that's for hybrids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, John52 said: until it leaks? In decades of using motorhomes I've never had a roof vent leak, I do however get told off for splashing water out the sink. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, colin said: I would say that's for hybrids "The new unit will offer flexibility, as it can be combined with combustion engines, as well as mild hybrid and plug-in hybrid propulsion systems, the company said" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 15, 2023 Author Share Posted October 15, 2023 57 minutes ago, colin said: In decades of using motorhomes I've never had a roof vent leak, Neither have I because I sealed them with Plumbers Mait But I have seen many threads on forums about leaking roof vents.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 A long thread on the MHFun forum about the possible demise of the 9-Speed transmission. https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/9-speed-auto-being-phased-out.290065/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 Although I have never had a roof vent leak I have experience of the van bed getting wet with no way to dry it out and wouldn't want it again. It was when I got my first van and was keen to get away in it, so I went on a long winter trip without insulating the roof. Condensation formed on the roof and shook down like rain in the back as I was driving along - so didn't see it. Everything in my new van got mouldy and smelly - so I wouldn't want to risk it happening again due to a vent over the bed. As Brian Kirby said - if you don't want leaks don't make holes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Condensation, the killer of vans and houses, the answer is ventilation, that's why it's a good idea to have a vent with permanent ventilation such as we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 19/10/2023 at 09:00, colin said: Condensation, the killer of vans and houses, the answer is ventilation, that's why it's a good idea to have a vent with permanent ventilation such as we have. Well I've got a roof vent but its over the kitchen (to take away gas stove fumes) I'm not worried about rain leaking on to the cooker But I wouldn't risk having a roof vent over the bed If you or the reviewer had experienced a wet bed whilst away, you wouldn't be so keen to cut a hole in the roof over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I've used vans with roof vents over bed for 35years, never had one leak, so for me the benefits vastly outweigh any perceived problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve928 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Stellantis press release of yesterday confirms that Ducato MY2024 gets a new 8 speed auto, presumably the in-house one they've just developed at a cost of over $200m. "The extensive line-up of diesel engines is confirmed with the latest generation of MultiJet engines, compliant with Euro 6E regulations, always at the top for performance and durability: 6-speed manual transmission paired with three power levels (120, 140, 180 hp) and new 8-speed automatic transmission in combination with 140 and 180 hp. The Heavy-Duty range with Euro VI Step E homologation is articulated in the two power levels 140 and 180 hp, both combined with 6-speed manual transmission and the 8-speed automatic transmission." Edited October 24, 2023 by Steve928 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The full press release can be found here https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/fiat-professional/press/fiat-professional-unveils-the-new-lineup-a-new-generation-at-work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieH Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 My 2023 Kontiki 784 is sitting in a Fiat Professional workshop have only driven 3500 miles and now waiting for a new gearbox. Garage told me they have other motorhomes not just Swift, but all with same gearbox, with problems. Lots are failing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Hi EddieH What was the diagnostics re your gearbox ? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 On 06/10/2024 at 19:49, EddieH said: My 2023 Kontiki 784 is sitting in a Fiat Professional workshop have only driven 3500 miles and now waiting for a new gearbox. Garage told me they have other motorhomes not just Swift, but all with same gearbox, with problems. Lots are failing As your Swift Kon-Tiki is a 2023 model, presumably it has the ZF "9 Speed" automatic gearbox, not the latest 8-speed transmission (announced late last year for Ducato) that this forum discussion has been about. Is that correct please? I've no idea how many "9 Speed" gearboxes have been problematic in the UK since the the transmission's launch in 2019 (for the Ducato 2020 model-year) but this USA link may be of interest. https://lemonlawhelp.com/fiat-chrysler-9-speed-transmission-lawsuit-claims/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 On 06/10/2024 at 19:49, EddieH said: My 2023 Kontiki 784 is sitting in a Fiat Professional workshop have only driven 3500 miles and now waiting for a new gearbox. Garage told me they have other motorhomes not just Swift, but all with same gearbox, with problems. Lots are failing Hi I think it would be very interesting if EddieH got back to us with what actually failed on his gearbox and what were the diagnostic codes he may have obtained from the Fiat workshop. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 If EddieH's Ducato-based Swift motorhome has the latest 8-speed transmission that has superseded the "9 Speed" transmission, then continuing to discuss his vehicle's problem (and the statement in his posting that said "Garage told me they have other motorhomes not just Swift, but all with same gearbox, with problems. Lots are failing" would be appropriate for this particular forum thread (that came to a natural halt 11 months ago) and would be important to owners of Ducato-based motorhomes that have the current 8-speed transmission and to people who might be considering buying the latest auto Ducato. However, if EddieH's motorhome actually has the earlier "9 Speed" transmission, it would better if he started a new thread and provided more detail about the problem that has required a replacement gearbox (hopefully under warranty) and that included the diagnostic data that you are interested in. There are comments on the Fiat forum about Ducato "9 Speed" problems (example here) https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/gearbox-fault-9-speed.497154/ but I'm not aware of any reported issues (yet!!) with the latest 8-speed 'box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) Hi Yes it would be nice to know which one he actually has and what codes his gearbox had at the time of it's failure as he reports on his 2023 Kontiki 784 ? . It indeed would be very benifical to many who still buy Fiat powered motorhomes or are thinking of updating Hopefully he will get back to us regarding his comment Regards Edited October 9 by onecal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getoutgetwild44 Posted Wednesday at 13:56 Share Posted Wednesday at 13:56 On 09/10/2024 at 14:48, onecal said: Hi Yes it would be nice to know which one he actually has and what codes his gearbox had at the time of it's failure as he reports on his 2023 Kontiki 784 ? . It indeed would be very benifical to many who still buy Fiat powered motorhomes or are thinking of updating Hopefully he will get back to us regarding his comment Regards I agree, I am also in the same position and I'm now questioning things. Has anyone heard an update yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted Wednesday at 15:12 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:12 As EddieH joined these forums on October 6, posted once on that day but has not visited the forums since, it seems unlikely he will be providing in future the information onecal sought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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