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usersandalwood
Posted: 29 July 2020 10:53 AM
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Read in paper, 2 migrants got in to car carrier, on roof. Emptied belongings, then got in. Shock when man stopped, they got out, found themselves still in France. ha ha.

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Posted: 29 July 2020 10:57 AM
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Posted: 31 July 2020 11:49 AM
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The owner of the vehicle still lost his belongings that the immigrants emptied out of the box to gain access.
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Posted: 31 July 2020 8:39 PM
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I appreciate your thoughts but you have no idea of the conditions and life experiences which lead to migrants taking such financial, emotional and life threatening risks. Try to imagine what might make you want to send young adults from your family on such a journey in order to gain a better life - it's almost impossible to imagine.
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Posted: 31 July 2020 9:03 PM
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What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark
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Posted: 1 August 2020 5:25 AM
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fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.

Edited by Barryd999 2020-08-01 5:27 AM
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Posted: 1 August 2020 12:00 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.

Good post, Barry. +1
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Posted: 2 August 2020 7:39 AM
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fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Spot on ... Vast majority are fleeing nothing
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Posted: 2 August 2020 7:44 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


0% made it to your house ... Even though you preach across many forums ... My Grandad bravely fought in WW2, I can tell you now he didn't fight for chancers and he certainly would have turned his back on those pretending to be in need, dont speak for him !!!
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Posted: 2 August 2020 8:26 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-08-02 7:44 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


0% made it to your house ... Even though you preach across many forums ... My Grandad bravely fought in WW2, I can tell you now he didn't fight for chancers and he certainly would have turned his back on those pretending to be in need, dont speak for him !!!


LOL! Didnt we just know your opening gambit would be something about "my house"? Did you not read my post correctly? I mentioned chancers and economic migrants but I also mainly talked about "genuine" refugees. I dont think those who fought in wars for our freedom would turn their backs on genuine refugees especially if our war had played a part in destabilising and destroying their countries and homes.
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Posted: 2 August 2020 9:02 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-08-02 8:26 AM

Birdbrain - 2020-08-02 7:44 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


0% made it to your house ... Even though you preach across many forums ... My Grandad bravely fought in WW2, I can tell you now he didn't fight for chancers and he certainly would have turned his back on those pretending to be in need, dont speak for him !!!


LOL! Didnt we just know your opening gambit would be something about "my house"? Did you not read my post correctly? I mentioned chancers and economic migrants but I also mainly talked about "genuine" refugees. I dont think those who fought in wars for our freedom would turn their backs on genuine refugees especially if our war had played a part in destabilising and destroying their countries and homes.


I mention it because your a hypocrite, simple as ... Why dont we have boat loads of the worlds most persecuted turning up on our shores anyway ... Christians ??? Young male Christians ???

Edited by Birdbrain 2020-08-02 9:03 AM
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Posted: 2 August 2020 9:25 AM
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Birdbrain - 2020-08-02 9:02 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-02 8:26 AM

Birdbrain - 2020-08-02 7:44 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


0% made it to your house ... Even though you preach across many forums ... My Grandad bravely fought in WW2, I can tell you now he didn't fight for chancers and he certainly would have turned his back on those pretending to be in need, dont speak for him !!!


LOL! Didnt we just know your opening gambit would be something about "my house"? Did you not read my post correctly? I mentioned chancers and economic migrants but I also mainly talked about "genuine" refugees. I dont think those who fought in wars for our freedom would turn their backs on genuine refugees especially if our war had played a part in destabilising and destroying their countries and homes.


I mention it because your a hypocrite, simple as ... Why dont we have boat loads of the worlds most persecuted turning up on our shores anyway ... Christians ??? Young male Christians ???


I dont know. Have there been 11 million Christians fleeing war zones recently? If so then we should do our bit to help them but Ive not seen any have you?
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Posted: 2 August 2020 9:48 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


But the majority aren't fleeing the same are they? ..........

Coz if you were genuinely fleeing a war zone you'd be happy to seek asylum in the first safe haven you arrived in would you not??? ........

Time to wake up Barry......they're mostly economic migrants seeking to milk the British taxpayer .......

The sooner we are no longer subject to EU rules the sooner we can rewrite the rule book .........

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Posted: 2 August 2020 10:12 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-08-02 9:48 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


But the majority aren't fleeing the same are they? ..........

Coz if you were genuinely fleeing a war zone you'd be happy to seek asylum in the first safe haven you arrived in would you not??? ........

Time to wake up Barry......they're mostly economic migrants seeking to milk the British taxpayer .......

The sooner we are no longer subject to EU rules the sooner we can rewrite the rule book .........



Most asylum seekers do settle in other countries rather than coming here and about half are rejected anyway. So maybe they do sort out the chancers from the genuine.

If you think leaving the EU will stop them then you are crackers. It wont stop them anymore than it will stop the tide coming in each day. We will just have less cooperation and information sharing with Europe and without the Dublin agreement no possibility of returning them to France. It already looks like the French have started turning a blind eye. I dont blame them. We chose to cut our ties with them and go our own way, Brexit will no doubt cause them a lot of economic hardship. I wouldnt be surprised if they start dishing out rubber boats.
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Posted: 2 August 2020 10:25 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-08-02 10:12 AM

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Barryd999 - 2020-08-01 5:25 AM

fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


But the majority aren't fleeing the same are they? ..........

Coz if you were genuinely fleeing a war zone you'd be happy to seek asylum in the first safe haven you arrived in would you not??? ........

Time to wake up Barry......they're mostly economic migrants seeking to milk the British taxpayer .......

The sooner we are no longer subject to EU rules the sooner we can rewrite the rule book .........



Most asylum seekers do settle in other countries rather than coming here and about half are rejected anyway. So maybe they do sort out the chancers from the genuine.

If you think leaving the EU will stop them then you are crackers. It wont stop them anymore than it will stop the tide coming in each day. We will just have less cooperation and information sharing with Europe and without the Dublin agreement no possibility of returning them to France. It already looks like the French have started turning a blind eye. I dont blame them. We chose to cut our ties with them and go our own way, Brexit will no doubt cause them a lot of economic hardship. I wouldnt be surprised if they start dishing out rubber boats.


Once we can make our own rules and start sending them home pronto will be the most effective deterent .........
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Posted: 2 August 2020 11:30 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-08-02 10:25 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-02 10:12 AM

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fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


But the majority aren't fleeing the same are they? ..........

Coz if you were genuinely fleeing a war zone you'd be happy to seek asylum in the first safe haven you arrived in would you not??? ........

Time to wake up Barry......they're mostly economic migrants seeking to milk the British taxpayer .......

The sooner we are no longer subject to EU rules the sooner we can rewrite the rule book .........



Most asylum seekers do settle in other countries rather than coming here and about half are rejected anyway. So maybe they do sort out the chancers from the genuine.

If you think leaving the EU will stop them then you are crackers. It wont stop them anymore than it will stop the tide coming in each day. We will just have less cooperation and information sharing with Europe and without the Dublin agreement no possibility of returning them to France. It already looks like the French have started turning a blind eye. I dont blame them. We chose to cut our ties with them and go our own way, Brexit will no doubt cause them a lot of economic hardship. I wouldnt be surprised if they start dishing out rubber boats.


Once we can make our own rules and start sending them home pronto will be the most effective deterent .........


We do send them home now, if we know where home is. Where you going to send them if you cant prove where they are from? Right now we can send them back to France.
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should we be more concerned about the migrants going the other way?
The smart ones we need emigrating to the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/brexit-fuels-brain-drain-as-skilled-britons-head-to-the-eu
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John52 - 2020-08-02 12:30 PM

should we be more concerned about the migrants going the other way?
The smart ones we need emigrating to the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/brexit-fuels-brain-drain-as-skilled-britons-head-to-the-eu

Can't blame folk for going where work and lifestyle is an improvement than what the Brexit banana republic will bring.
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What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark





Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.


But the majority aren't fleeing the same are they? ..........

Coz if you were genuinely fleeing a war zone you'd be happy to seek asylum in the first safe haven you arrived in would you not??? ........

Time to wake up Barry......they're mostly economic migrants seeking to milk the British taxpayer .......

The sooner we are no longer subject to EU rules the sooner we can rewrite the rule book .........



The “rule book” on refugee status is not dictated by the EU Dave. The EU issued a Qualification Directive regarding how EU countries were obliged to treat asylum claimants in order to bring all EU countries into line regarding their obligations under the Refugee and Human Rights Treaties of 1951 and 1950 respectively. When we have left the EU we are still bound to abide by the obligations under both treaties. Withdrawing from both treaties would be required before we can rewrite “the rule book”. In particular, the European Convention on Human Rights, (the one that controversially prevents us from sending dangerous people back to countries where they would face torture) would still apply to the UK. Anyone aggrieved by an adverse decision to return them to such a country could still bring a case against the UK before the European Court of Human Rights if all domestic remedies have been against them. I very much doubt that the withdrawal from either or both treaties is something we will see in our life time.
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Posted: 7 August 2020 6:34 AM
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Strong military action needed to stop the invasion ... https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-100-migrants-intercepted-by-uk-authorities-in-english-channel-12043600
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Posted: 7 August 2020 9:20 AM
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Hmmm. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1184429/eu-migrant-crisis-french-police-calais-dunkirk-emmanuel-macron-english-channel-lbc

and more recently.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12132899/french-migrants-crossing-channel-priti-patel/

I wonder what it is that has upset the French so much in recent times. They used to be so good at stopping migrants getting to the UK. Cruella says summat must be done and is stamping her feet about it. Best you send em all back Cruella before the 31st December while you still can.
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Posted: 7 August 2020 9:22 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-08-07 9:20 AM

Hmmm. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1184429/eu-migrant-crisis-french-police-calais-dunkirk-emmanuel-macron-english-channel-lbc

and more recently.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12132899/french-migrants-crossing-channel-priti-patel/

I wonder what it is that has upset the French so much in recent times. They used to be so good at stopping migrants getting to the UK. Cruella says summat must be done and is stamping her feet about it. Best you send em all back Cruella before the 31st December while you still can.


Only 146 days until we can tear up the EU migrant rule book ..........

http://daystobrexit.co.uk/
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Posted: 7 August 2020 10:11 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-08-07 9:22 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-08-07 9:20 AM

Hmmm. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1184429/eu-migrant-crisis-french-police-calais-dunkirk-emmanuel-macron-english-channel-lbc

and more recently.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12132899/french-migrants-crossing-channel-priti-patel/

I wonder what it is that has upset the French so much in recent times. They used to be so good at stopping migrants getting to the UK. Cruella says summat must be done and is stamping her feet about it. Best you send em all back Cruella before the 31st December while you still can.


Only 146 days until we can tear up the EU migrant rule book ..........

http://daystobrexit.co.uk/


And not be allowed to send them back to France. FFS! Its like talking to a Goldfish.
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Posted: 7 August 2020 11:56 AM
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Priti keeps talking about tightening up the rules. Either she is thick or entirely disingenuous, from what I hear she's not the former. It's not the rules that have prevented us returning people to the first European place of safety in which they landed, it's a lack of investment in border controls. The Dublin agreements have resulted more people being returned to the UK than we send back to European Countries, that tells you something does it not? And as Barry has tried to point out on several occasions, Brexit will mean that more unworthy illegal migrants will be staying in the UK once they land here. No wonder the French don't seem to be making a real effort to stop them. Many cannot be returned to their country of origin a. because that is often difficult to establish and/or b. the countries they come from are not co-operating with return processes, many of them being failed states, or they are anitpathetic towards the UK.

I think Dave gets it really but he's doing a "Priti".

Edited by Violet1956 2020-08-07 11:56 AM
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Violet1956 - 2020-08-07 11:56 AM

Priti keeps talking about tightening up the rules. Either she is thick or entirely disingenuous, from what I hear she's not the former. It's not the rules that have prevented us returning people to the first European place of safety in which they landed, it's a lack of investment in border controls. The Dublin agreements have resulted more people being returned to the UK than we send back to European Countries, that tells you something does it not? And as Barry has tried to point out on several occasions, Brexit will mean that more unworthy illegal migrants will be staying in the UK once they land here. No wonder the French don't seem to be making a real effort to stop them. Many cannot be returned to their country of origin a. because that is often difficult to establish and/or b. the countries they come from are not co-operating with return processes, many of them being failed states, or they are anitpathetic towards the UK.

I think Dave gets it really but he's doing a "Priti".


But but Brexit!!! Brexit was supposed to stop all this!! Mr Farage said so. He even did that "Breaking Point" poster! Now he is making videos every day of dinghies and stuff arriving! Whats going on? Why hasnt it all stopped? I wonder if he will still make them after the 31st December? I suspect not somehow.
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Posted: 7 August 2020 3:32 PM
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Maybe a little fact will help? From Fullfact:

One "cannot know whether the people trying to cross the channel in recent months would be recognised as refugees. This is to be determined by immigration officials in whichever country reviews their asylum applications."

It "is also incorrect to say that refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to. Under the UN Refugee Convention, there is no obligation on refugees to do this—an interpretation which is upheld in UK case law. Those trying to cross the Channel can legitimately claim asylum in the UK if they reach it.

That said, refugees who arrive in the UK after passing through another EU country can, under certain circumstances, be returned to the first EU country they entered, under an EU law known as the Dublin Regulation.

What is a refugee? And what is an asylum seeker?

The 1951 UN Refugee Convention (also known as the Geneva Convention) defines what a refugee is, what rights a refugee has, and the responsibilities of states towards refugees.

It defines a refugee as someone who “owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion” has fled their own country or (if they have no nationality) country of usual residence, and is unable or unwilling to return to it or seek protection from it.

Being recognised as a refugee gives you the right to not to be returned to the country you have fled, as well as a minimum standard of rights and freedoms in a safe country.

An asylum seeker is someone who is in need and search of refuge. The right to seek asylum from persecution in other countries is a universal human right, set out in Article 14 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

Practically speaking, an asylum seeker is someone who has applied for refugee status (or another form of international protection) in another country, and is awaiting a decision on that application. They can only apply once they physically reach the country.

In the UK, once an asylum seeker has had their application processed, they may receive permission to stay as a refugee for five years (after which they can apply to settle in the UK). They may also be given “permission to stay for humanitarian reasons” or other reasons, or their application may be rejected in which case, if no appeal is successful, they have to leave the UK unless they face a “real risk” of serious harm in the case of deportation.

There is no obligation on refugees to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach.


It "is wrong to claim that, under the Geneva Convention, refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to.

It contains no obligation “either explicit or implicit” for refugees to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach, according to immigration lawyer Colin Yeo.

This means that an asylum seeker can arrive in France (or any other country) before travelling to the UK and still legitimately claim to be a refugee. It is then down to the UK to review that application.

It doesn’t matter that these individuals are illegally crossing the channel

Are "those seeking to cross the Channel to the UK in small boats …. “illegal migrants”.?

Although it’s certainly true that crossing the Channel without authorisation isn’t a legal way to enter the UK, Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened” provided they “present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence”.

A lot depends here on how to interpret which country people are “coming directly from”. It could be argued, for instance, that as the people crossing the channel are coming directly from France—which is not the country they initially fled—they don’t have the right to claim asylum in the UK.

However, in 1999 a UK judge ruled that “some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum.” The judge specified that “any merely short term stopover en route” to another country should not forfeit the individual’s right to claim refugee status elsewhere.

This means people can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries.

It also cannot be stated with certainty that these individuals crossing the Channel were safe in France, unless we know more about their backgrounds. The European Court of Human Rights has previously found an EU country (Greece) to pose a risk to an Afghan refugee, therefore upholding the refugee’s right to seek asylum elsewhere (Belgium). There is also previous evidence of asylum seekers and migrants in France not being treated as they should be according to French law.

That said, the UK can sometimes return refugees to elsewhere in the EU

The UK could, under certain circumstances, send the people crossing the Channel on dinghies back to France or another EU country upon arrival. This is because of an EU law known as the Dublin Regulation.

Under the terms of the Dublin Regulation, a refugee should normally have their asylum claim examined in the first EU country they enter. If the claim is accepted, they get refugee status in that country.

In practice, this means that upon arrival in the UK asylum seekers will have their fingerprints checked against an EU database known as Eurodac. The database allows immigration officials to see if an asylum seeker has launched an application in any other EU countries, or come into contact with the authorities there, and determine which country should process their claim.

There are some cases in which this rule doesn’t apply. For example, if an applicant for asylum has a family member who has already successfully claimed asylum in another EU country, then that country is where their claim should be reviewed. There are a number of further exceptions, including if the applicant is a minor, if several family members claim asylum around the same time, or of the applicant is dependent on the assistance of a parent or family member legally resident in the EU.

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fesspark - 2020-07-31 9:03 PM

What planet do you live on,?I spent 6 yrs in the commando marines these people are purely financial migrants. they where there when I was in the gulf and when I have spent the last 35 years in europe seeing these people wanting to come to the u.k. for health and financial benefits pee.s me off. if you wish the worlds scroungers to live here?we have them already in the high risk coronavirus areas that are now in lock down My family fought and died to keep this country free but alas the latest migrant figures proves to me they died mostly in Vane. forgive my spelling but this statement from you annoys me, p.s, I am not a racialist just a realist ,fesspark


Most of our families fought to keep not just this country free but the entire world, they fought for liberty and freedom for all. WW2 saw people dispersed and refugees everywhere as has war after war after war ever since. People who fought and died in those wars would not want us to turn our backs on those in need. Yes there are economic migrants and chancers just like there have always been but there were eleven million genuine refugees from the Syrian conflict alone. 90% of them ended up in countries outside of the EU, 10% made it to Europe and only a very small percentage ended up here.

Those people who died in WW2 did not die in Vain What a ridiculous thing to say, they died for freedom and to rid the world of tyranny, oppression and evil not to turn our backs on those fleeing the same.




Then the common market turned into the EU and we were back to square one.
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Violet1956 - 2020-08-07 11:56 AM

Priti keeps talking about tightening up the rules. Either she is thick or entirely disingenuous, from what I hear she's not the former. It's not the rules that have prevented us returning people to the first European place of safety in which they landed, it's a lack of investment in border controls. The Dublin agreements have resulted more people being returned to the UK than we send back to European Countries, that tells you something does it not? And as Barry has tried to point out on several occasions, Brexit will mean that more unworthy illegal migrants will be staying in the UK once they land here. No wonder the French don't seem to be making a real effort to stop them. Many cannot be returned to their country of origin a. because that is often difficult to establish and/or b. the countries they come from are not co-operating with return processes, many of them being failed states, or they are anitpathetic towards the UK.

I think Dave gets it really but he's doing a "Priti".

Patel isn't the brightest bulb in the box. In April she claimed 300,000 34 974,000 people had been tested for Covid in UK. Yes that's the figure she quoted......if you can make any sense out of it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqtNlg14pW4&t

She also doesn't know the difference between terrorism and counter-terrorism. Thick as mince and remember, this woman is in the position of Home Secretary. Ever likely MI5 don't trust her. The same woman who entered illegally occupied territory without telling her boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZShpm2k3tg

Good luck to those that made it across anyway. At least they will work instead of scrounging off the state as Pelmet has.
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