jumpstart Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. [/QUOT I can not think of one single person I know who is racist. I do know a lot of people who considered the EU a failing Bureaucratic mess. There were many news interviews with people at the time who when asked why they would vote to stay couldn’t give a clear reason for doing so. I spoke to several university students who said they would lose free travel to the EU to work or study there ,if a leave vote won .When I asked them if they wanted to go there to work , they said errr No. So there were people in both camps who were unclear on why they would vote a particular way. If you could see through the crappy press ....don’t you think that maybe others did too? All this is diverging from the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 As I posted recently on another thread, there will be a range of reasons why people voted as they did..but to now pretend that immigration was not uppermost in the various high profile bodies that pushed for Leave, is a complete nonsense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 6:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. Chuckle ... From the fella who campaigned for and voted for a racist party that has just paid out half a million big ones because of his parties racism and his party still has the results of the EHRC inquiry into its racism to be published ... Stop being such a hypocrite from your whites only village ... BFN From what I Can see Starmer coughed up that money to just be done with it so he can move on. From what I have seen and from the lack of evidence you or anyone else has been able to produce on here regarding "real" racism from elected and serving Labour MP's it doesn't exist. Unlike the inherent and blatant racism in the Tory party with your PM being a prime example. Still in denial eh Barry? ;-) ............How very Corbynasty >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:00 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 6:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. Chuckle ... From the fella who campaigned for and voted for a racist party that has just paid out half a million big ones because of his parties racism and his party still has the results of the EHRC inquiry into its racism to be published ... Stop being such a hypocrite from your whites only village ... BFN From what I Can see Starmer coughed up that money to just be done with it so he can move on. From what I have seen and from the lack of evidence you or anyone else has been able to produce on here regarding "real" racism from elected and serving Labour MP's it doesn't exist. Unlike the inherent and blatant racism in the Tory party with your PM being a prime example. Still in denial eh Barry? ;-) ............How very Corbynasty >:-) .......... No. Not in denial at all. I have been asking you for weeks to produced a list of examples of blatant racism from serving Labour party MP's and so far nothing. Not a single one. Its definitely a case of pot and kettle if you ask me as it would be very easy for me to produce a long list of openly racist comments from the Tories, I could start with the PM himself. Perhaps it does exist but Ive never seen an example and nobody seems keen to show me one for some reason. Maybe people mistake criticising the state of Israel and siding with the Palestinians as racism I dunno but why would they? I think Trump and the republicans are a set of bigoted morons but that doesn't make me Anti American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pepe63 - 2020-08-12 8:57 AM As I posted recently on another thread, there will be a range of reasons why people voted as they did..but to now pretend that immigration was not uppermost in the various high profile bodies that pushed for Leave, is a complete nonsense... Absolutely,my point entirely, there was a range of reasons. I would agree that various papers and others tried to make immigration a high spot, but I don’t think it was the main reason why people voted leave. As you said there was a range of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:13 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 12:52 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-09 2:23 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 11:44 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-08 7:08 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-08 6:18 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-08 3:45 PM ……………………………... I said I dont care how the Navy deals with them, is that so difficult to understand and I dont need to think anything through and its certainly not uncomfortable Princess ... As long as they dont land on our shores I dont care ... Simple enough for ya So you'd be happy for the navy to bring them into a UK port? Not particularly no but until the laws are changed and we brought these types back to a UK port to be moved immediately into a secure compound with basic needs rather than 4 star luxury till they were removed then yes I suppose I can live with that ... Would you prefer to put them up at your gaffe or use your motorhome than my secure compound idea ??? ... Just asking So involving the navy would achieve nothing under present circumstances that the coastguard is not already achieving. So, why then involve the navy who would have to use vessels currently employed on fisheries protection duties? This "navy stuff" is all bluff and bluster with no purpose. Housing the migrants in hotels is not a matter of choice; it is being done because the existing secure accommodation is full. So, which is the cheaper alternative? Temporarily use under used hotel accommodation, or start a crash building operation to provide additional secure accommodation for the present surge in numbers, which will decline over winter, and will eventually permanently decline? It is a reasonable stop-gap measure that also keeps a few hotels in business. If you want to keep the migrants out, why do you also want more accommodation for them? Doesn't add up, does it? Depends what the navy does doesnt it as to comparing it to what is done now ... I told you before put these types up in containers in a secure compound, maybe near you if your so concerned or better still you put them up at your home Merkel Mansions ??? ... Doesnt need any new buildings just containers So you think the UK should just renege on its international obligations (that it helped draft) and then what, leave the UN and other international organisations (that it helped found) - because it can't handle a relative handful of migrants? You and Dave love banana republics, don't you? That'd do our international reputation and influence no end of good, wouldn't it? And what then for all those Brexity trade deals our future now depends on? Great scheme! 1 You seem unable to grasp that Brexit happened partly because of "international obligations" like The Dublin Regulation 2 and Brexit voters, the winners of the referendum are sick and stalled of laws that do nothing for them and Blighty yet everything for chancers … 3 "handful of migrants" , the world according to Brian ... There is another world outside of leafy East Sussex Princess 1 I was unaware that the Dublin Regulations were a factor in the Brexit vote. I don't recall them being mentioned. Can you say where they figured, and how? But, having said that, the Dublin Regulations provide a right for an EU state that is entered by a refugee seeking asylum, where the refugee has clearly entered from a neighbouring EU state, to require the neighbouring state to take back the refugee, on the basis that the correct place for the application for asylum to be lodged and assessed was the first EU state the refugee entered. Through Brexit that right is now lost, so the only applicable law is that which I outlined in my above post of 11 August 2020 at 4:41 PM. 2 Brexiters may be as sick as the proverbial parrot about international obligations, nut unless and until the UK withdraws from its international undertakings, they remain legally binding. Brexiters should bear in mind that all such obligations are mutually binding, so if the UK withdraws the provisions will cease equally to apply to British subjects abroad. Which seems to take us back to Dirty Harry: "You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?" So do you? 3 The annual number entering the UK by crossing the channel each year varies between a few hundred and a few thousand. It has increased since the Brexit vote, especially since Brexit. It is part of what Brexiters voted for. The UK has a population of approximately 66 million. It receives about 40,000 (6%) asylum claims annually (meaning 94% enter by alternative routes), and about 4,000 (0.06%) have so far crossed the Channel this year, so yes, a relative handful. Not all claims are successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Unauthorised immigrants to the EU are at about 3.9 to 4.8 million. Asylum seekers account for about 25% of these. Four countries account for about 70% of the unauthorised immigrants. They are... Germany, UK, Italy, France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-08-12 9:25 AM pepe63 - 2020-08-12 8:57 AM As I posted recently on another thread, there will be a range of reasons why people voted as they did..but to now pretend that immigration was not uppermost in the various high profile bodies that pushed for Leave, is a complete nonsense... Absolutely,my point entirely, there was a range of reasons. I would agree that various papers and others tried to make immigration a high spot, but I don’t think it was the main reason why people voted leave. As you said there was a range of reasons. They didn't need to "try" Jumpstart! All they had to do was keep the Leave campaign rolling feeding the xenophobes the horror stories about "swarms" of migrants "invading" OUR country. They had Farage whipping up the fanatics and Johnson delivering Cummings' soundbites to the Brexit adherents. Yes there was obviously more than immigration alone with the campaign, but to claim it was 'never about immigration' is simply being disingenuous or naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 9:20 AM No. Not in denial at all. I have been asking you for weeks to produced a list of examples of blatant racism from serving Labour party MP's and so far nothing. . Will this do? ;-) ....... https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/ Just askin *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 4:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-12 9:25 AM pepe63 - 2020-08-12 8:57 AM As I posted recently on another thread, there will be a range of reasons why people voted as they did..but to now pretend that immigration was not uppermost in the various high profile bodies that pushed for Leave, is a complete nonsense... Absolutely,my point entirely, there was a range of reasons. I would agree that various papers and others tried to make immigration a high spot, but I don’t think it was the main reason why people voted leave. As you said there was a range of reasons. They didn't need to "try" Jumpstart! All they had to do was keep the Leave campaign rolling feeding the xenophobes the horror stories about "swarms" of migrants "invading" OUR country. They had Farage whipping up the fanatics and Johnson delivering Cummings' soundbites to the Brexit adherents. Yes there was obviously more than immigration alone with the campaign, but to claim it was 'never about immigration' is simply being disingenuous or naive. All just a lot of supposition,what ifs and maybe’s. You’ll all just have to wait till the next vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 6:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. Chuckle ... From the fella who campaigned for and voted for a racist party that has just paid out half a million big ones because of his parties racism and his party still has the results of the EHRC inquiry into its racism to be published ... Stop being such a hypocrite from your whites only village ... BFN From what I Can see Starmer coughed up that money to just be done with it so he can move on. From what I have seen and from the lack of evidence you or anyone else has been able to produce on here regarding "real" racism from elected and serving Labour MP's it doesn't exist. Unlike the inherent and blatant racism in the Tory party with your PM being a prime example. So lets get this right, your leader Sure Queer Stammer a former highly regarded and highly paid lawyer specialising in human rights has admitted his party is racist and paid out half a million big ones just so his and your party can "move on" ... Hes decided the way to attract new voters and old Labour voters back is to upset his puppet master union bosses and admit his and your party is racist??? ... Lordy you come out with some guff but that ... Chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-08-12 1:25 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:13 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-10 12:52 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-09 2:23 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-09 11:44 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-08 7:08 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-08-08 6:18 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-08 3:45 PM ……………………………... I said I dont care how the Navy deals with them, is that so difficult to understand and I dont need to think anything through and its certainly not uncomfortable Princess ... As long as they dont land on our shores I dont care ... Simple enough for ya So you'd be happy for the navy to bring them into a UK port? Not particularly no but until the laws are changed and we brought these types back to a UK port to be moved immediately into a secure compound with basic needs rather than 4 star luxury till they were removed then yes I suppose I can live with that ... Would you prefer to put them up at your gaffe or use your motorhome than my secure compound idea ??? ... Just asking So involving the navy would achieve nothing under present circumstances that the coastguard is not already achieving. So, why then involve the navy who would have to use vessels currently employed on fisheries protection duties? This "navy stuff" is all bluff and bluster with no purpose. Housing the migrants in hotels is not a matter of choice; it is being done because the existing secure accommodation is full. So, which is the cheaper alternative? Temporarily use under used hotel accommodation, or start a crash building operation to provide additional secure accommodation for the present surge in numbers, which will decline over winter, and will eventually permanently decline? It is a reasonable stop-gap measure that also keeps a few hotels in business. If you want to keep the migrants out, why do you also want more accommodation for them? Doesn't add up, does it? Depends what the navy does doesnt it as to comparing it to what is done now ... I told you before put these types up in containers in a secure compound, maybe near you if your so concerned or better still you put them up at your home Merkel Mansions ??? ... Doesnt need any new buildings just containers So you think the UK should just renege on its international obligations (that it helped draft) and then what, leave the UN and other international organisations (that it helped found) - because it can't handle a relative handful of migrants? You and Dave love banana republics, don't you? That'd do our international reputation and influence no end of good, wouldn't it? And what then for all those Brexity trade deals our future now depends on? Great scheme! 1 You seem unable to grasp that Brexit happened partly because of "international obligations" like The Dublin Regulation 2 and Brexit voters, the winners of the referendum are sick and stalled of laws that do nothing for them and Blighty yet everything for chancers … 3 "handful of migrants" , the world according to Brian ... There is another world outside of leafy East Sussex Princess 1 I was unaware that the Dublin Regulations were a factor in the Brexit vote. I don't recall them being mentioned. Can you say where they figured, and how? But, having said that, the Dublin Regulations provide a right for an EU state that is entered by a refugee seeking asylum, where the refugee has clearly entered from a neighbouring EU state, to require the neighbouring state to take back the refugee, on the basis that the correct place for the application for asylum to be lodged and assessed was the first EU state the refugee entered. Through Brexit that right is now lost, so the only applicable law is that which I outlined in my above post of 11 August 2020 at 4:41 PM. 2 Brexiters may be as sick as the proverbial parrot about international obligations, nut unless and until the UK withdraws from its international undertakings, they remain legally binding. Brexiters should bear in mind that all such obligations are mutually binding, so if the UK withdraws the provisions will cease equally to apply to British subjects abroad. Which seems to take us back to Dirty Harry: "You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?" So do you? 3 The annual number entering the UK by crossing the channel each year varies between a few hundred and a few thousand. It has increased since the Brexit vote, especially since Brexit. It is part of what Brexiters voted for. The UK has a population of approximately 66 million. It receives about 40,000 (6%) asylum claims annually (meaning 94% enter by alternative routes), and about 4,000 (0.06%) have so far crossed the Channel this year, so yes, a relative handful. Not all claims are successful. 1 ... Chuckle, you who I have asked for evidence of the vile insults you have chucked my way at times and offered nothing now want me to provide evidence of my claim ... Chuckle 2 ... Dont remember anyone saying they want to withdraw from all regulations, just the ones that serve others more than UK residents 3 ... Its not 66 million folk that have to put the chancers up though Brian is it ... The chancers get sent to the same old places, not anywhere near you though of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:27 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 9:20 AM No. Not in denial at all. I have been asking you for weeks to produced a list of examples of blatant racism from serving Labour party MP's and so far nothing. . Will this do? ;-) ....... https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/ Just askin *-) ........ Doesnt matter what you show him ... If its his party its not racism ... Hypocrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:27 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 9:20 AM No. Not in denial at all. I have been asking you for weeks to produced a list of examples of blatant racism from serving Labour party MP's and so far nothing. . Will this do? ;-) ....... https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/ Just askin *-) ........ Doesnt matter what you show him ... If its his party its not racism ... Hypocrite So long as the Labour party allow nasty Scumbirds like her to be a MP in their party :-| ........ They don't have a hope B-) ....... In my lifetime :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 7:13 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:27 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 9:20 AM No. Not in denial at all. I have been asking you for weeks to produced a list of examples of blatant racism from serving Labour party MP's and so far nothing. . Will this do? ;-) ....... https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/ Just askin *-) ........ Doesnt matter what you show him ... If its his party its not racism ... Hypocrite So long as the Labour party allow nasty Scumbirds like her to be a MP in their party :-| ........ They don't have a hope B-) ....... In my lifetime :D ....... I wouldn’t say that....compared to Bojo and his pack , Labour will be looking a good bet by next election. You really think anyone will want this lot again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-08-12 8:25 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 7:13 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 6:27 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 9:20 AM No. Not in denial at all. I have been asking you for weeks to produced a list of examples of blatant racism from serving Labour party MP's and so far nothing. . Will this do? ;-) ....... https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/ Just askin *-) ........ Doesnt matter what you show him ... If its his party its not racism ... Hypocrite So long as the Labour party allow nasty Scumbirds like her to be a MP in their party :-| ........ They don't have a hope B-) ....... In my lifetime :D ....... I wouldn’t say that....compared to Bojo and his pack , Labour will be looking a good bet by next election. You really think anyone will want this lot again? Yep ;-) ......... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election Despite months of Loser media bitching, Boris has only moved the occasional digit below what he won with in 2019 according to the polls B-) ......... PS .....I cant say I'm surprised that you are overtly defending Nasty Shah *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-08-12 6:44 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 4:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-12 9:25 AM pepe63 - 2020-08-12 8:57 AM As I posted recently on another thread, there will be a range of reasons why people voted as they did..but to now pretend that immigration was not uppermost in the various high profile bodies that pushed for Leave, is a complete nonsense... Absolutely,my point entirely, there was a range of reasons. I would agree that various papers and others tried to make immigration a high spot, but I don’t think it was the main reason why people voted leave. As you said there was a range of reasons. They didn't need to "try" Jumpstart! All they had to do was keep the Leave campaign rolling feeding the xenophobes the horror stories about "swarms" of migrants "invading" OUR country. They had Farage whipping up the fanatics and Johnson delivering Cummings' soundbites to the Brexit adherents. Yes there was obviously more than immigration alone with the campaign, but to claim it was 'never about immigration' is simply being disingenuous or naive. All just a lot of supposition,what ifs and maybe’s. You’ll all just have to wait till the next vote. It was a referendum, not an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 7:01 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 6:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. Chuckle ... From the fella who campaigned for and voted for a racist party that has just paid out half a million big ones because of his parties racism and his party still has the results of the EHRC inquiry into its racism to be published ... Stop being such a hypocrite from your whites only village ... BFN From what I Can see Starmer coughed up that money to just be done with it so he can move on. From what I have seen and from the lack of evidence you or anyone else has been able to produce on here regarding "real" racism from elected and serving Labour MP's it doesn't exist. Unlike the inherent and blatant racism in the Tory party with your PM being a prime example. So lets get this right, your leader Sir Keir Starmer a former highly regarded and highly paid lawyer specialising in human rights has admitted his party is racist and paid out half a million big ones just so his and your party can "move on" . Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC. That he chose the direction he has is testament to his strength in leadership. Having seen no evidence plus conflicting reports from Jewish LP members who even disagree among themselves, there seems to be much conjecture flying around with very little substance so it's about time a line was drawn under it. One things for sure. It's put your racist PM Johnson to absolute shame over his Tory parties disgusting institutionalised Islamophobia which has been totally ignored. A Tory Baroness spent years battling to get an independent investigation to no avail. Racist Johnson was even challenged by Sajid Javid on the matter during the leadership debate and Johnson agreed to an investigation....but as usual he was lying and since he became PM, he's refused to have an independent inquiry. When you and your girlfriend can set the record straight with your precious Tory party and it's racist leader.....then you can come back and start throwing mud around but until then i suggest you get your own house in order first before calling others out as you're in no position at all to level any criticism at any other party. You simply draw attention to the Tory parties shortcomings and it's racist leader, so well done on that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:20 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 7:01 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 6:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. Chuckle ... From the fella who campaigned for and voted for a racist party that has just paid out half a million big ones because of his parties racism and his party still has the results of the EHRC inquiry into its racism to be published ... Stop being such a hypocrite from your whites only village ... BFN From what I Can see Starmer coughed up that money to just be done with it so he can move on. From what I have seen and from the lack of evidence you or anyone else has been able to produce on here regarding "real" racism from elected and serving Labour MP's it doesn't exist. Unlike the inherent and blatant racism in the Tory party with your PM being a prime example. So lets get this right, your leader Sir Keir Starmer a former highly regarded and highly paid lawyer specialising in human rights has admitted his party is racist and paid out half a million big ones just so his and your party can "move on" . Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC. That he chose the direction he has is testament to his strength in leadership. Having seen no evidence plus conflicting reports from Jewish LP members who even disagree among themselves, there seems to be much conjecture flying around with very little substance so it's about time a line was drawn under it. One things for sure. It's put your racist PM Johnson to absolute shame over his Tory parties disgusting institutionalised Islamophobia which has been totally ignored. A Tory Baroness spent years battling to get an independent investigation to no avail. Racist Johnson was even challenged by Sajid Javid on the matter during the leadership debate and Johnson agreed to an investigation....but as usual he was lying and since he became PM, he's refused to have an independent inquiry. When you and your girlfriend can set the record straight with your precious Tory party and it's racist leader.....then you can come back and start throwing mud around but until then i suggest you get your own house in order first before calling others out as you're in no position at all to level any criticism at any other party. You simply draw attention to the Tory parties shortcomings and it's racist leader, so well done on that score. "Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC" So is Warmonger Blair's Mrs 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:25 PM "Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC" So is Warmonger Blair's Mrs 8-) ........ Are you on drugs? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:50 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:25 PM "Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC" So is Warmonger Blair's Mrs 8-) ........ Are you on drugs? :-| Yep ;-) ....... Prepreration "H" when dealing with the likes of you >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:20 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-12 6:44 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 4:56 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-12 9:25 AM pepe63 - 2020-08-12 8:57 AM As I posted recently on another thread, there will be a range of reasons why people voted as they did..but to now pretend that immigration was not uppermost in the various high profile bodies that pushed for Leave, is a complete nonsense... Absolutely,my point entirely, there was a range of reasons. I would agree that various papers and others tried to make immigration a high spot, but I don’t think it was the main reason why people voted leave. As you said there was a range of reasons. They didn't need to "try" Jumpstart! All they had to do was keep the Leave campaign rolling feeding the xenophobes the horror stories about "swarms" of migrants "invading" OUR country. They had Farage whipping up the fanatics and Johnson delivering Cummings' soundbites to the Brexit adherents. Yes there was obviously more than immigration alone with the campaign, but to claim it was 'never about immigration' is simply being disingenuous or naive. All just a lot of supposition,what ifs and maybe’s. You’ll all just have to wait till the next vote. It was a referendum, not an election. When did a electoral party "ever" win 52% of the vote Dumb Dumb? >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:50 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:25 PM "Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC" So is Warmonger Blair's Mrs 8-) ........ Are you on drugs? :-| Yep ;-) ....... Prepreration "H" when dealing with the likes of you >:-) ....... If you're doing drugs as well as hitting the bottle it's time you sought help because nothing you've posted the past few days makes any sense at all. You won't find help on any forums either. Get yourself sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 10:03 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:54 PM Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:50 PM pelmetman - 2020-08-12 9:25 PM "Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC" So is Warmonger Blair's Mrs 8-) ........ Are you on drugs? :-| Yep ;-) ....... Prepreration "H" when dealing with the likes of you >:-) ....... If you're doing drugs as well as hitting the bottle it's time you sought help because nothing you've posted the past few days makes any sense at all. You won't find help on any forums either. Get yourself sorted out. Taking the P*ss out of Losers like you "is" my kinda therapy >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-08-12 9:20 PM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 7:01 PM Barryd999 - 2020-08-12 6:40 AM Birdbrain - 2020-08-12 6:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-08-11 10:58 PM jumpstart - 2020-08-11 8:56 PM Some! We are talking about 50% of the population voting leave. Not wanting immigration does not make a person a racist. Can you not think of any other reasons why people voted leave other than what’s in the crappy press? It was the crappy press that convinced so many over the years that Immigration was responsible for their crappy lives. It was the crappy press that convinced people that the EU bestowed a shed load of stupid laws on us that were pretty much all made up. I could see through the crappy press but 52% (of those that voted) clearly could not. Whether people who were against immigration and free movement of people are racist or not, I have no idea but all the racists I have come across in the last four years for sure voted for Brexit. Every single one. Chuckle ... From the fella who campaigned for and voted for a racist party that has just paid out half a million big ones because of his parties racism and his party still has the results of the EHRC inquiry into its racism to be published ... Stop being such a hypocrite from your whites only village ... BFN From what I Can see Starmer coughed up that money to just be done with it so he can move on. From what I have seen and from the lack of evidence you or anyone else has been able to produce on here regarding "real" racism from elected and serving Labour MP's it doesn't exist. Unlike the inherent and blatant racism in the Tory party with your PM being a prime example. So lets get this right, your leader Sir Keir Starmer a former highly regarded and highly paid lawyer specialising in human rights has admitted his party is racist and paid out half a million big ones just so his and your party can "move on" . Keir Starmer still is a qualified QC. That he chose the direction he has is testament to his strength in leadership. Having seen no evidence plus conflicting reports from Jewish LP members who even disagree among themselves, there seems to be much conjecture flying around with very little substance so it's about time a line was drawn under it. One things for sure. It's put your racist PM Johnson to absolute shame over his Tory parties disgusting institutionalised Islamophobia which has been totally ignored. A Tory Baroness spent years battling to get an independent investigation to no avail. Racist Johnson was even challenged by Sajid Javid on the matter during the leadership debate and Johnson agreed to an investigation....but as usual he was lying and since he became PM, he's refused to have an independent inquiry. When you and your girlfriend can set the record straight with your precious Tory party and it's racist leader.....then you can come back and start throwing mud around but until then i suggest you get your own house in order first before calling others out as you're in no position at all to level any criticism at any other party. You simply draw attention to the Tory parties shortcomings and it's racist leader, so well done on that score. Wondered when the organ Grindr would be along to try to help out his monkey ... "strength in leadership" is a top lawyer throwing in the towel, paying out half a million quid and admitting his party is racist??? ... Chuckle, I reckon he knows whats coming from the EHRC inquiry dont you ... As for the Tories of course there are what you call Islamaphobes in the party and quite rightly too ... With everything Islam gives to the modern world and this country how couldn't there be ... There'll also be law dodgers, homophobes and even some horrible Remoaners in the party ... Im not the one pretending any different with my party ... I'll leave that to you and ya monkey ... Hate on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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