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Cheers Keith i have 2 x6kg lite bottles 1 empty and 1 almost empty been offered to change them for normal until they sort out but these were a lot more expensive so been waiting i have 1 normal bottle that came with our new motorhome so think i will hang on for now as only got small trips booked thanks
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Keithl - 2021-05-31 10:32 PM

 

From this news article No!

 

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/news/gas-shortage-affects-motorhome-and-caravan-sales

 

Keith.

I'm not sure if that article is directly relevant where Calor’s 6kg “CalorLite” canisters are concerned.

 

In 2017 Calor said that it would be replacing (in the relatively near future) their CalorLite container with a different lightweight bottle. This was reported here

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Calorlites-to-be-replaced-/47021/

 

There was another forum posting in 2018 about this

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Calor-Lite-again/49956/

 

but no replacement lightweight Calor bottle has been forthcoming (and probably never will be) and Calor’s current advice can be read here

 

https://shop.calor.co.uk/calor-lite-propane-gas-bottle.html

 

The situation is that, as long as a CalorLite bottle is found to be ’safe’ when periodically tested by Calor, it will remain in the Calor bottle ‘population’ and - if someone has an empty CalorLite bottle and can locate a Calor agent that has some full CalorLite bottles - a like-for-like exchange can take place. Otherwise (as the Calor webpage says) the empty CalorLite bottle can be exchanged for a full Calor standard ‘heavy’ 6kg or 3.9kg propane canister.

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John swift - 2021-05-31 11:02 PM

 

i have 2 x6kg lite bottles 1 empty and 1 almost empty

You could always get them refilled if you have a harbour nr by I'd try there first they are filling all sorts of foreign bottles from visiting vessels daily

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A caravaner friend of mine exchanged his Calor bottle recently and was offered a direct replacement for his Calor Lite. He mentioned to the dealer that he’d heard these were being phased out and was told that Calor seem to have resorted to refilling Lites to help cope with the national shortage of Calor bottles.

 

I’ve read the warning on the Calor website about refilling their rental from autogas pumps and although there are clearly risks I do think Calor are continuing to give exaggerated statement to protect their monopoly position in UK - especially with regard to exaggerating the risks of refilling bottles (such as Gasit) which are designed to be safe being refilled. I’d like to see Calor’s monopoly challenged to open the LPG market up.

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Calor’s stance on their CalorLite canister is (repeated!) here

 

https://shop.calor.co.uk/gas-bottles/calor-lite.html

 

There’s no question “...that Calor seem to have resorted to refilling Lites to help cope with the national shortage of Calor bottles”. As I said above, as long as a CalorLite bottle is found to be ’safe’ when periodically tested by Calor, it will continue to be refilled by Calor and provided to Calor distributors.

 

Although “Calor" is used within the UK leisure-vehicle community as a generic name for any ‘exchange’ gas canister, the company does not have a UK monopoly. Flogas is the other main player, but Calor and Flogas will both accept for exchange certain other bottles that are differently branded (though a “Calor” branded bottle is not exchangeable for a “Flogas” branded bottle, or vice versa).

 

https://www.calor.co.uk/gas-bottles/advice/returns#gas-bottle-returns

 

https://www.flogas.co.uk/gas-bottles/brands

 

Calor’s warning about refilling gas bottles with autogas relates to “ its portable LPG cylinders” not to privately owned gas containers designed to be user-refilled. As should be apparent from this 2018 link, Flogas has exactly the same policy.

 

https://www.flogas.co.uk/news/flogas-investigation-exposes-illegal-gas-cylinder-filling

 

Calor’s autogas-related warning (hardly surprisingly) does not discriminate between ‘exchange’ and ‘user refillable’ gas containers, but GAS IT’s own advice makes abundantly clear the potential risks involved in refilling exchange bottles with autogas.

 

https://www.gasit.co.uk/leisure-gas-refillable-products/7-gas-pipes-pigtails-and-vapour-tank-accessories/on-bottle-bayonet-fillpoint-p446.html

 

The GAS IT website refers to the “Red Guide”

 

https://www.gasit.co.uk/files/public/WEB-VERSION-Red-Guide-18.10.18.pdf?96371400

 

and (Pages 61-63) distinguish between “Portable LPG cylinders”

 

Gas supplier owned cylinders: Cylinders supplied on an exchange empty for full basis are owned by the gas supplier and are designed to be filled by weight. It is a requirement that only the owner or their authorised filler may refill the cylinders.

 

and "Customer refillable cylinders”

 

Cylinders that are designed to be refilled by the public should be of a type that is recognisable by the forecourt operator and incorporate the following safety features:

- Be fitted with an over-fill prevention device, that prevents the cylinder being filled

above 80 % of its capacity.

- Have a fill valve compatible with the nozzle of an autogas dispenser.

 

This 2019 forum thread referred to gas bottle refilling at Morrisons service stations.

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/MMM-Morrisons-and-Lpg/53942/

 

and I included a photo (attached below) relating to a fire in 2014 that resulted in Morrisons banning motorhomes from refilling with LPG.

 

Murphy’s Law definitely applies to refilling LPG bottles with autogas, but - as these 2019 forum threads prove - even refilling a motorhome’s fixed LPG tank is not immune to that Law.

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Flashback-LPG-FILL-UP/51928/

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/IH-MOTORHOME-ALERT-LPG-GAS/51939/

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I can’t remember the precise threshold at which a share of the market qualifies for interest from the Monopolies Commission but pretty obviously Calor has a dominant market share and deserves to have its wings clipped. And I’m not for a moment supporting the filling of rental bottles at Autogas pumps on forecourts but I do think it is shameful that Calor banned motorhomes from refilling proper refillable bottles at all their depots on so called safety grounds.
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