plop Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'm looking for thoughts on security such as a steering wheel lock, wheel lock, clutch lock or similar? We are picking up our Chausson 650 tomorrow and we will be getting a Shadow VTS and Strikeback alarm anyway but just want something mechanical and obvious as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Advice on the Search feature here https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Code-of-Conduct-and-User-Guidelines/Forum-User-Guide/Using-the-Search-feature/5671/ It's pretty crude and its limitations need to be understood. I normally use GOOGLE advanced search. (I searched on all forums for Chausson across a one year period and retrieved plenty of previous thread references.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Here are two recent threads on wheelclamps and security devices... https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/wheel-clamp-security-devices/54929/ https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Security-devices/52651/ Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Found the problem, it was set yo only search since I last logged in. Coming up with plenty now - obviously my brain has ceased to function! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 I'll get a Wraith or Nemesis wheel clamp and I'll be doing the turning the drivers seat trick as well. I will take a look when we pick it up to see what padlock will fit there. Super excited to be getting the van finally - there didn't appear to be any Fiat based 650 with Premium pack available. Sailing is going to become available again shortly as well so life is really looking up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 The problem with only having a mechanical device, is that it can easily be removed with a battery powered cutting / grinding tool. I think that you need to add an electrical immobilizer as well. Install with a hidden,or key operated switch, cutting off the fuel pump, or inserted into the impact immobilizer wiring. Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyishuk Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Some say that if you have rotating seats, drilling the frame and padlocking the seat facing away from the steering wheel is a deterrent. Rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverback Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 tonyishuk - 2020-05-13 7:02 PM Some say that if you have rotating seats, drilling the frame and padlocking the seat facing away from the steering wheel is a deterrent. Rgds are but!! you can wind the back of the seat downwards towards the floor then they just sit on it....IMHO Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRienza Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I cannot drill anywhere to fit a padlock when the seat is turned, so I put the seat back against the steering wheel and then using a long plastic coated cycle cable I wind it round the seatback and tightly through the steering wheel securing it with a padlock. A good visual layer of security with a stoplok pro on the steering wheel as well. I also use a long shaft padlock which I feed through the universal joint on the steering column. This should stop the steering wheel from turning, added to this is a piece of chain from that lock to a strong point on the seat base of the drivers seat. Mine is an A class without a door beside the driver, so access to the padlock is quite difficult. I am under no illusion about portable grinders, but it would need used on three locations, hopefully this might be a bit discouraging. I also use a Strikeback alarm and a Rewire tracker (gp104). The vehicle steering lock is always engaged, I had contemplated an OBD port lock but decided against. If I was to put another layer in it would probably be a hidden switch to isolate the fuel/ignition. Davy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney1 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I use a number of solutions including turning the seat around and using a motorcycle disc lock. I also had trouble getting access to drill a hole but invested in one of these which did the trick nicely https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-angled-keyless-chuck-10mm/6746h and used it a few times on other things as well since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Thanks everyone. I really do need it now as we picked up the Chausson 650 today from Elite Motorhome near Banbury. Totally excited - it actually went on the drive easier than expected now, need to get kitting it out and do a virtual camp this weekend! Awesome! Roll on the re-opening of campsites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Hope you're enjoying your new delivery! Another type of security you may consider is the doors, especially the habitation and garage. I fitted Fiamma locks. https://www.fiamma.it/en/locks.html Like any other devices they can only be a deterrent to slow down a determined thief, but it struck me that while the van cab doors are reasonably secure, the ones from the conversion looked a bit flimsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 Great thanks - I was just about to ask a question about securing the garage door locks. I will take a look at this - are there any other similar options to compare? The vanbitz installation will also help secure these but something physical extra has to be a plan as we'll have loads of sports and cooking gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgnbuk Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I use a Stoplock Professional steering wheel bar lock (from around £45). When I was looking for a visible physical security device (as recommended by my B-I-L, who works for one of the larger specialist motorhome & caravan insurers) only the Stoplock Professional and the Disclok were Thatcham approved - the Disclok is a big, bulky, heavy device that fully encloses the steering wheel & I doubted that I would be bothered to use it. It also would have been a pain to find a home for while travelling. The Stoplock Professional fits the Ducato steering wheel well, is easy to fit & not too hard to find a home for while travelling. It is also very visible, which is the main reason for fitting it IMO There is a cheaper version of the Stoplock, but that is not Thatcham approved & not as secure - the Professional version will take more time to cut off & has a better locking mechanism. I doubt it would stop a determined thief, but then in all probabilty nothing would - this is just another (very visible) layer of making life a bit more difficult & hopefully causing the low-lifes to move on to an easier target. Nigel B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Hm, interesting ref Nemesis Ultra. It arrived to find that there was no lock or keys with it making it slightly less than useful. In talking to support about this they said that it doesn't fit motor homes - it turns out they only come with small wheel bolts suitable for caravans and trailers and they don't do replacement wheel bolts that fit them. I find that utterly bizarre? Appears the Milenco Wraith is exactly the same as well. Does anyone know of a decent wheel clamp like these that would fit. These seem so well designed and is clearly well made but they don't fit a massive part of the market. Totally bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Look at the Bulldog Centaur Adjustable that I posted a link to on the thread linked in my reply above. It’s a beast of a clamp, needless to say I leave it at home when we go away ! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Wow that is massive.... I've got a driveway security post arriving shortly that I will sink into the ground. Should be pretty well ram raid proof by the look of it. I wanted one of these wraith/nemesis jobs as they are so portable we could take it with us easily. We'll keep the cars parked across the drive in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmold Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Take a look at Milenco Compact wheel clamp.It's got Sold Secure Gold award and compact enough to take with you. Also check out Milenco steering wheel lock, also Sold Secure Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 A few of us fitted the Oxford Patriot disc lock on the drivers seat base, they would be very difficult to grind off. Here's the thread discussing it and other locks too. https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/swivel-seat-security.209917/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Charles - 2020-05-21 10:49 PM A few of us fitted the Oxford Patriot disc lock on the drivers seat base, they would be very difficult to grind off. Here's the thread discussing it and other locks too. https: //www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/swivel-seat-security.209917/ Hi Thank for that link some good photos there, that's now on my to do list . Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23addy46 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Hi 'Plop', Re your comment re security bollards, perhaps my experience could be of help in your decisions ? Our first Motorhome purchase (a 1998 Swift Royale Ensign 610 SE) used to be parked along side our house, relying on the Fiat standard fit security plus positioning a car across its 'back end' in an attempt to increase same. But whilst WE didn't have a problem. a nearby parked MH did experience an attempted removal.. So, a couple of years on, and prior to having the 'Tarmac' driveway replaced, investigated Security Bollard variations, quickly rejecting any 'fold down' type after being shown pics of this type 'pulled over' ("they just put a steel hawser over their 4x4 tow bar and go"). So I bit the bullet and purchased (£200 ish at the time) "Rhino Sold Secure" 90mm Sq x 660mm (opened) Security Post positioned deep into the ground as our new 'Fibre Entrained Imprinted Concrete Drive' was being constructed. (point of note :- make sure the position the post is located to allow for a longer length MH later on).. The Current Version of what i bought is a "Marshall's Rhino RTSQ8 Security Post". NOTE :- These posts are heavy, lifting the post from the closed position could be a problem for someone with back problems, but boy oh boy are they good they are used to secure against 'Ram Raids' for the likes of PC World and Car Show Rooms ! Dave Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Same one! Looks like it is built to last. The only problem is it still hasn't arrived - I was hoping to get it in this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23addy46 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hi Plop (sorry don't know your name!) Two possible words of advise re using the Rhino post ;- Here in the central deserts of Lancashire, on occasions, it has been know to rain ! Therefore 2 (No.) points have arisen and cured (1) As the key locked release button is located atop the post, it can & will get water into the lock... My simple, and for past 18 year effective solution:- Find / purchase a 3 Ltr. 'Pop' bottle, cut off the lower part and it fits perfectly over the post top giving effective weather protection when in lifted secure position. (I would attach a pic. if I could figure out how to do it ?) On mine I put a few winds of adhesive 'Danger' warning tape around it that adds a 'professional appearance'. (2) - if you live in an area with clay sub soil or high water table, you may find the 'below ground' section will fill up with water that, when post 'up / locked security' position won't cause a problem, However I always keep post in the 'up / security' position, even when away in "Bessie". This prevents possibilities of the 'key lock button' being effected by water/crud etc.... Take care, Dave Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plop Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Thanks for the tips - had these before and aware of some problem/pitfalls and the work arounds. I used to live in the middle of nowhere and regularly had people try and break in while the house was empty - even for just a day or two. Had our gates ram raided and they broke down the brick pillars and drove over the gates. Had some thing very similar to this and rebuilt the gates with one of these painted black behind the middle of the gates where they met. The tried it again and obviously hadn't seen the post and although the wrecked the gates their van must have been totalled... Fluids and crap all over the entrance when I got back - the pillars were a bit screwed put the post hadn't moved. I re built them again with 2 massive RSJ's sunk in - even an earth mover was going to struggle at that point. Anyway never happened again. Having learnt off that the posts here massive RSJ but I've capped them in western red cedar. Pity anyone who thinks they will get through them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23addy46 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hi 'Plop', Wow you really have been targeted ! Sincerely hope that the last one you described WAS THE LAST ONE FOR YOU !!!! Best of luck & take care... Dave Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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