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National Battery labelling standard - Progress?
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Posted: 7 December 2018 11:44 PM
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Really pleased for you on the health front. Long may it continue!

Since joining this forum I have enjoyed and learnt lots from your postings. I appreciate what you are achieving for us all with your campaigning. Long may that continue.

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Posted: 8 December 2018 3:39 AM
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Maybe the PM should get you on her team you seem to have a lot more success on both the health front and the battery BS purge than she has had of late. Reading about your health improvement is one of the nicest stories this Christmas - congrats. It is nice when the good guys win.
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Posted: 10 December 2018 1:00 AM
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Thank you everyone for the nice things said.

Aandy, I wonder if 'prayers' are about religion or more about projecting positive energy in a certain direction?
I think I am a religious person, but also believe that the mind has amazing potential for things we don't always understand.

Geeco, I am not sure anybody would want to be on T. May's team right now?
I certainly don't, having too much fun with my Wife and 2 children, making the most of every minute.
We went to see Cinderella in Llandudno last night and I had as great a time as my kids. My wife said it was like being out with 3 children.



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Posted: 10 December 2018 8:57 AM
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aandncaravan - 2018-12-10 1:00 AM .... having too much fun with my Wife and 2 children, making the most of every minute. We went to see Cinderella in Llandudno last night and I had as great a time as my kids. My wife said it was like being out with 3 children.


That's the ticket! I don't think it makes sense for any of us to be holding our breath for an end to the Brexit saga, let alone volunteering to get involved in trying to engineer a solution!
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Posted: 8 February 2019 9:38 AM
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Just had an email from the government team investigating the mis-labelling and misselling of batteries.

This includes the following statement:

Test results I have are startling and concern me. I will be interested in the explanations of these importers/distribution/rebranders when I make contact with them.

You will note that the issue is solely with " importers/distribution/rebranders ", not the big battery manufacturers.

We have found that it is the likes of the Enduroline, Powerline, Platinum, etc made in the Far East usually to the lowest possible specification and with labels printed and applied in the UK that often don't mirror the battery's internals.

At the beginning of the year we had a motorhome with a duff battery that tested with the wrong resistance for it's technology. The capacity claims on the label also made me suspicious. When it was cut open, what was stated to be an AGM on the label turned out to be a very poor quality wet/flooded battery. You will not be surprised to hear it had the name of one of our least favourite 'makes'.

The government team have said they will release more info when they can, but as some of the test results will lead to Court appearances, that may be only limited information in the case of specific perpetrators.

As I have said before, not one big name battery manufacturer has any question marks on their batteries so sticking to these is safe and sensible. However, we would advise caution if considering any NCC verified Leisure battery other than the big names of Varta, Exide, Bosch, Yuasa, Banner.

When choosing batteries from the NCC Verified battery scheme, if a battery sounds too good to be true, you can be sure it is.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 10:06 AM
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Great work Allan ....
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Posted: 8 February 2019 10:21 AM
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Thank you for the update Allan, well done.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 10:31 AM
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Great work and result Allan, well done.

Why do they take so long whilst honest hard working folk are being relieved of their hard earned and not getting what they expect and have been told they're going to get.
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Posted: 8 February 2019 10:58 AM
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dipsticks - 2019-02-08 10:31 AM

Great work and result Allan, well done.

Why do they take so long whilst honest hard working folk are being relieved of their hard earned and not getting what they expect and have been told they're going to get.



That is something I am finding frustrating, but when a battery is tested to BS EN 50342 it is charged fully for several hours rested 4 hours then slowly discharged, rested for 4 hours then recharged, etc.
The charge/discharge is calculated to be a 'percentage' of each batteries capacity so that it is comparable regardless of the batteries size.
On a bigger battery that can take an entire day for a single cycle. With a battery claiming 600 cycles that is a long, long time.

It makes you wonder how DBS Energy managed to test their 2,000 cycle battery which would take about 5.4 years, when the technology they are using has been around in the company for a lot less than that.

But it must be right, because the NCC have also 'verified' the test results "using independent Test houses". Maybe the NCC use a test house that has some magic way of independently replicating a 5 year cycle test in a month?
How about a Victron Lithium battery with claimed 5,000 cycles (potential 13 year test process) when the Lithium Iron technology it uses has only been prevalent for about 3 years?




My concern after some comments in this mornings email is that because testing can be so protracted for a quality high technology battery, the testing might be 'shortcut' to just testing capacity, as in it's Ah rating, for some Leisure batteries.



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Posted: 5 April 2019 10:40 AM
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No news on batteries, but there has been a marked decline in my health and as this thread has become an update I both, here goes.

I truly didn't expect to be here in April 2019 writing any sort of update.
When I was told in July 2018 that I had incurable cancer and had only months to live, I really didn't think I would see October.
On the drive back from the hospital I resolved to make the most of the time I had left. Picked the kids up from School and we all went straight to the beach, next day we went to Llandudno and out on the Pier and that has been the marker for every day since.

The weekends were full of days out and things to do, splashing on Benlech beach on Anglesey or learning all about the bravery of the RNLI at Moelfre Lifeboat mini 'museum'.

Didn't matter what we did, we always had a great time.

Then one day Beverly, who owns the 'Be More Local' convenience store in Penrhyn Bay said that she hoped I didn't mind but she had written to the Honey Rose foundation asking if they could do anything for Adam and Sophie to build memories with Dad before he goes.
Bev was aware we lost everything when the Atlantic Motorhome business folded, including the house.

The tears in my eyes told her I wasn't offended.

A week or so later she told me she had started a 'Go Fund Me' web page to raise money so we could see Chester Zoo Lanterns, as she had been with her children and thought the lanterns were amazing. The local Golf Club and businesses got involved and she eventually raised close on £1,700 including pantomime tickets for Cinderella, Cinema tickets for Mary Poppins 2, invites to children's parties, etc.

Needles to say it was all put to good use and lots of memories created. So many, many things. The high light probably being 5 days in London during February half term.

Back in July 2018 I could not have guessed what an unbelievable happy time would grow out of that awful prognosis. For it to last over 8 months is incredible.

So although I am now on my final lap, I couldn't have imagined a better way to bow out, so please can anyone reading this be happy for me not sad.
I am one of the lucky ones.

There are so many things I wanted to be around for as my children grow, but the one thing I really wanted was to help them get into university.
The good news last week is that part of the industry that has been victim of my desire for reform and change has offered to donate money to a charity or cause of my choice in recognition of my campaigning.

I asked if setting up a scholarship style fund for my children after I am gone counted as a good cause. After some discussion with legal teams, accountants, etc. they said it did as I was not benefiting directly.

So absolutely delighted.
It isn't much, but will hopefully get them started at university and you never know even the NCC might chip in latter.


I finished chemo in mid February because a longer treatment period results in destroyed Bone Marrow so it had to come to an end.
So I was given a 6 week break to see how I progressed, with a CT scan after 4 weeks.

Got the results of the scan on Wednesday and the Lung tumours are all at least double in size since the scan 3 months ago. The largest Liver tumour has also doubled in size and there are also new tumours. Seems like the first 3 months went well, then the tumours found a way of protecting themselves against the chemo.

I hope to soon start a third chemo drug, Lonsurf, but the side effects on White and Red Blood cells are severe, and as I have already made multiple recent hospital visits due to complications of both a Lung and Liver infection, I may not be able to stay on it very long.
No guarantee it will even slow things down so it will be a bit of trial and error.

Don't think I have long left now, but my goal is to survive past Easter week, as thanks to Bev and the Honey Rose foundation, Haven Holidays have given Adam and Sophie a week at the site near Pwllheli starting Easter Monday. I think it is something they will love and I hope it is something they will remember all their lives. Fingers crossed.


Edited by aandncaravan 2019-04-05 10:48 AM
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Posted: 5 April 2019 11:37 AM
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Allan, rather than privately e mail you as before, I've decided to post here. Its difficult to know what to say, but your family can be so proud of you.
You are an inspiration and I'm sure I'm not the only one to have benefitted enormously from your knowledge and experience. Its a pity we've never met as I would love to have bought you a pint, a coffee, a nip, whatever is your tipple.
I remember a long time back being slightly miffed when you criticised certain B2Bs of which I was a fan. On the following van rather than install a B2B I, a little sceptically, adopted your beefed up wiring and chunky split charge relay recommendation. I'm glad I did as I achieved a great result at a fraction of the cost of a B2B.
So thank you Allan for everything and I hope your journey is comfortable.
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Posted: 5 April 2019 1:52 PM
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As back in July I'm just going to say thank you, good luck and enjoy whatever comes next.
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Posted: 5 April 2019 10:20 PM
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Allan

Thanks for your post, you wear your heart on your sleeve as do I. I just hope you can wear it a while longer.

I am in tears writing this and hope for a miracle.

John
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Posted: 6 April 2019 2:35 PM
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Oh dear, sorry to read that news Allan, never give in.
We're all right behind you.

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Posted: 6 April 2019 2:52 PM
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Oh Allan, tears in my eyes writing this too. You have faced an appalling situation with courage and commitment to your family which I’m sure your children will remember and come to understand with real pride. God bless you and your family. Stuart
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Posted: 6 April 2019 3:27 PM
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Nice to see your still accepting a positive charge ........

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Posted: 6 April 2019 11:18 PM
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I have gained so much knowledge from reading your posts and website Allan, thankyou so much, an inspiration. God bless you and your family.
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Posted: 7 April 2019 4:31 PM
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Thank you all so much for the really lovely posts and PM's, very, very much appreciated.


Jaye of the DBEIS emailed me this morning and wants to visit in the next week or two, so maybe there soon will be an update on the batteries sent for testing?
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Posted: 8 April 2019 9:55 AM
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Thanks Allan for using your valuable time to post the "sad/happy" update of 5th April.

Glad to hear you've been using your time constructively to enjoy life to the full with your family.....enhanced by the additional help and support from Bev and others.

Your enthusiastic support to the motorhome community has been invaluable to many (gaining world-wide recognition via your website). I'm unaware of any similar unbiased resource. You should be very proud of your achievements....as we are are proud of you, giving up your time freely, to help others.

You've certainly helped me out over the years and advanced my knowledge immensely, for which I'm eternally grateful.

Easter wishes to you and your family. John

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Posted: 8 April 2019 3:23 PM
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You are nothing short of an inspiration to us all Alan. My younger brother (who lives alone) is going through something very similar and I have tried to be with him every step,of the way - especially through the chemo which severely damaged his blood chemistry. So I have a certain insight into just what you have had to contend with only to find that nothing further will work. To face all of that is really hard. To do it and still continue to help people on here and continue your campaign is truly amazing. To do all of that and yet face up to an inevitable end but make the most positive use of your time with your family shows great courage and fortitude.

I thank you for the help, information and knowledge you have passed on to me in the past. Make many more memories.

Regards, David
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Posted: 27 April 2019 7:38 AM
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Well my Battery Campaign must come to an end as my health won't allow it any longer.

I met the oncologist yesterday and because of the recent rapid decline I decided not to pursue the 3rd round of chemo on offer. It is unlikely to have any beneficial effect at this late stage, yet the side effects could be devastating.

I have been referred to the local Palliative Care team whose aim will be to make my last weeks as comfortable as possible and I have already been issued with Morphine (Oramorph) until they contact me.
My brother who is famous for being politically incorrect, referred to the team as the Death squad, and that comment made Natalie realise the stark reality of the situation and we had a few tears.

Natalie has been so strong through all this, absolutely amazing and the best wife a man could have.

To be fair to my brother, he has Heart and lung issues and is wheelchair bound living in sheltered accommodation where he regularly sees the Palliative care team come in, then after a short time a new resident move into the empty flat.

My brother has also been brilliant and a testament to his real character is just how much my two little ones love him. Best big brother ever.


We did make it to Haven holidays at Pwllheli and what a fantastic time Adam and Sophie had. The site has been completely revamped for this year, with 4 major new attractions only opening the week before we arrived and that made it all the more special.

I struggled a bit, but we really did make some lovely memories.

We have not finished yet though, got a busy day (actually it's quite gentle for Natalie and me but active for Adam and Sophie) planned for tomorrow. Almost every day next week after school has something going on from the RSPB at Conwy, the Pier and wandering around Smith's toy store with £20 from Grandad.


Thank you so much to everyone on here for all the support, prayers and kind words.

Natalie will be updating the Home page on the website with any updates.



Just one last word :

If you bump into anyone from the Motorhome and Caravan Club or any other relevant organisation, ask what they are doing to improve battery labelling.
Even a packet of sweets tells you whats inside, about time we had the same info on the batteries we buy.





Edited by aandncaravan 2019-04-27 7:45 AM
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Posted: 27 April 2019 9:51 PM
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Allan

On the 5th April you said "Don't think I have long left now, but my goal is to survive past Easter week". Well you have made it and you need to set May Day bank holiday as your next target . In my past career as an MoD ammunition engineer we used to have to set targets and stretch targets. Maybe you can set the late May bank holiday as a stretch target and I am sure everyone on this forum will pray that you make with a reasonable quality of life.

On behalf of everyone on here I would like to thank you for all the help andknowledge you have given us all coupled with your determination and sense of humour. Lets hope Trading Standards follows through with a shake up of the battery standards and your efforts produce a lasting legacy.

Good luck

John
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Posted: 28 April 2019 9:03 AM
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I'll second what John posted.
Unfortunately your post was after we'd been to Peterborough, so couldn't query them over labelling.
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Posted: 28 April 2019 9:12 AM
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