Tyre Prices

[starvin marvin]

I'm on the hunt for a couple of tyres for the van 215/70R15. The best price I've found so far are:-

 

Mich Agilis £135

Pirelli Corona? £127.75

Cont Vanco £120.75

 

All are available around were I live, and the costs are all in, VAT, balancing, new valve inserts, disposal, nitrogen etc.

 

Are these reasonable prices?? No need to guess which ones I will be buying if I can't find cheaper.

[Keithl]

Hi Tony,

 

I would have thought a tad expensive!

 

A couple of months ago I bought 5 Conti Vanco2 225/70R15 for our MH and they cost £97 each but only including fitting and balancing.

I already had a set of metal 'Mission' valves from one of the shows (£20 for 5) and I also took my old tyres home and sold them on eBay as they had plenty of tread left on them as I changed them on age not mileage (they paid for 2 of the new tyres).

And I'm not convinced on paying extra for Nitrogen as you then cannot 'top them up' at home if they ever need it!

 

Are you anywhere near Birmingham as I can recommend a good family owned business if you are.

 

Keith.

[degsy]

I've recently put Michelin Agilis Camping tyres on our Morello and the price we paid was almost the same as you quote (I think we paid £138 per tyre etc)

 

So far I've found them much better than the old Pirelli we originally had, particularly quiet and they feel more stable, but perhaps that's just new tyres.

 

Go ahead and pay up and you'll feel much better afterwards.

 

Degsy

[Wooie]

Hi Tony,

 

Have a look here :-

 

http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk

 

They have the same tyres as you mention but cheaper and you can pick your own

fitting station.

 

Hope this helps

 

Regards

 

Graham

[Cliffy]

Kwikfit supplied and fit four Conti Vanco CP the same size as yours for us in September at a total cost of £408.

It was a promotional weekend at a local branch. 25% Discount.

 

They replaced Michelin Agilis. I now get around 2 to 3 mpg more and the van runs much quieter and smoother.

 

Well pleased

 

 

 

[RogerC]

Can't comment on prices but I'm wondering why anyone would want their tyres inflated with nitrogen?

Nitrogen is used in aircraft and ultra performance tyres, F1 for example:

Planes fly at heights where temperatures may be in excess of -40C. Moisture in the tyres can freeze causing vibration and balance problems when landing. Pure nitrogen is dry so eliminates this problem. Using dried compressed air could achieve the same thing.

In motor sport the smallest fraction of a second can make the difference between winning and losing. Filling with nitrogen can reduce pressure variation caused by changes in temperature.

I can't see any advantage to be gained in using it in MH or car tyres and the hassle of having to find somewhere with a nitrogen rig to 'top up' pressures would IMO make it a non starter.

 

 

[Robinhood]

RogerC - 2012-11-21 8:47 PM

 

I can't see any advantage to be gained in using it in MH or car tyres and the hassle of having to find somewhere with a nitrogen rig to 'top up' pressures would IMO make it a non starter

 

.....and, of course, if you filled up from a standard pump source, you'd be putting 78% Nitrogen in anyway. ;-)

[747]

Cliffy - 2012-11-21 7:29 PM

 

Kwikfit supplied and fit four Conti Vanco CP the same size as yours for us in September at a total cost of £408.

It was a promotional weekend at a local branch. 25% Discount.

 

They replaced Michelin Agilis. I now get around 2 to 3 mpg more and the van runs much quieter and smoother.

 

Well pleased

 

 

 

Are you sure they were the 'Agilis' Michelins ?

 

They have only been around for 3 or 4 years. Yours might have been the previous Michelin camping tyres which were atrocious on grass and (very slightly) muddy surfaces. many people have commented on the improvement with the Agilis, I have them and I am very happy with them. The only downside will be when they reach the end of their life and I have to fork out for 6 new ones.

[RogerC]

Robinhood - 2012-11-21 8:51 PM

RogerC - 2012-11-21 8:47 PMI can't see any advantage to be gained in using it in MH or car tyres and the hassle of having to find somewhere with a nitrogen rig to 'top up' pressures would IMO make it a non starter

.....and, of course, if you filled up from a standard pump source, you'd be putting 78% Nitrogen in anyway. ;-)

 

and the rest is 16% oxygen, 1% hydrogen with the remaining 5% made up of trace elements.  So if the tyres were initially filled with 100% gasseous nitrogen any 'top up' from a standard pump source would dilute the mixture immediately......ergo a waste of money.:-)

[terryW]

I am just about to pay £125 each for 2 Vanco the best price I was offered locally was £120 but I have chosen to pay the higher price to support the commercial tyre fitter in my village. I was offered £100 on-line but after lots of assurances over the phone I still wasn't convinced that I wouldn't be delivered a 'C' and not the 'CP' tyre.

 

My other concern was that I could be palmed off with tyres 2 or 3 years old, as it is the tyres for my van were brought round to my house and shown to me on arrival and they have both been manufactured this year and are complete with the new labeling.

 

That's two new front tyres to take me South in the NY , can't wait!!!!!!. B-)

[crinklystarfish]

I know it's been done to death but there is of course no obligation to go the the unnecessary expense of purchasing tyres marketed directly at this relatively affluent leisure activity.

Tyre outlets must rub their hands in glee and rehearse their 'nitrogen' sales patter when they see a motorcaravan owner approaching.

[Guest Peter James]

This is what the tyre manufacturers association say about Nitrogen

In short, a waste of money:

link: http://www.btmauk.com/data/files/Nitrogen_as_a_Tyre_Inflation_Medium_31_May_2011.pdf

[Wooie]

I really don`t see what as the fuss is about having Nitrogen in your tyres.

 

If an " Individual " wants it in their tyres then so be it.

 

It`s their choice and their money, they not harming anyone else by having it done.

 

 

[crinklystarfish]

Right enough, but it would be wrong to sit on information that might help other people save / not waste their cash. Nitrogen in this context, just like the whole 'cp' tyre thing, is more about extracting cash from the gullible than anything.

Absolutely agree it's up to the individual though.

[RogerC]

Wooie - 2012-11-22 10:33 AMI really don`t see what as the fuss is about having Nitrogen in your tyres.If an " Individual " wants it in their tyres then so be it.It`s their choice and their money, they not harming anyone else by having it done.

 

I don't see any 'fuss' about using nitrogen in tyres.  It's merely pointing out that there are no advantages to be gained in paying out for nitrogen.  If this thread saves someone from forking out their well earned £'s for this then it's been worth the few minutes it has taken to type the responses.

 

[Derek Uzzell]

This link will produce a list of forum threads containing "215/70" http://tinyurl.com/d6rbuoe most of which will be tyre-related.

 

There have been regular forum discussions about 'motorhome' tyres versus 'white van' tyres - this is a long one!

 

http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=29031&start=1

 

The French motorhome magazine "Camping-Car" recently published a supplement that including a piece on the three 'motorhome' tyre-ranges currently marketed - Continental's "VancoCamper", Michelin's "Agilis Camping" and Pirelli's "Chrono Camper". It used to be the case that the tyre factory-fitted to Fiat Ducato-based motorhomes as part of the Fiat Camping-car Package normally came from Michelin. Apparently this is no longer so, and the tyre now normally factory-fitted is Continental's "VancoCamper".

 

Inflating tyres with nitrogen was asked about in the latest (december 2012) issue of the Caravan Club Magazine. To summarise the CC's advice - harmless but don't pay much for having it done.

 

 

 

 

[Basil]

Just had 215 70 15 Avon Avanza's fitted to ours bought through Tyre Shopper at an all in price of £85 each, as previous link, and fitted locally by National tyres, best bit is they are made in the UK not some Asian or east European country.

 

I find them much better than our previous Goodyears which in turn were better than our previous Michilin Aglis, so all in all a better ride, quieter and so far a completely better feel to cornering and braking.

 

Bas

[Wooie]

RogerC - 2012-11-22 10:52 AM

Wooie - 2012-11-22 10:33 AMI really don`t see what as the fuss is about having Nitrogen in your tyres.If an " Individual " wants it in their tyres then so be it.It`s their choice and their money, they not harming anyone else by having it done.

 

I don't see any 'fuss' about using nitrogen in tyres.  It's merely pointing out that there are no advantages to be gained in paying out for nitrogen.  If this thread saves someone from forking out their well earned £'s for this then it's been worth the few minutes it has taken to type the responses.

I don`t know what it costs in " Darkest Wiltshire " but up here in Lancashire ATS Euromaster do itfor the princely sum of £1 per tyre.

[747]

Basil - 2012-11-22 1:19 PM

 

Just had 215 70 15 Avon Avanza's fitted to ours bought through Tyre Shopper at an all in price of £85 each, as previous link, and fitted locally by National tyres, best bit is they are made in the UK not some Asian or east European country.

 

I find them much better than our previous Goodyears which in turn were better than our previous Michilin Aglis, so all in all a better ride, quieter and so far a completely better feel to cornering and braking.

 

Bas

 

Once again I have to reprimand someone for misleading statements. If your Michelins were bought BEFORE your Goodyears then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be AGILIS tyres. They would have been Michelin XC possibly. The Agilis name is a NEW name for a NEW tyre. They are a vast improvement on the old type and are Mud and Snow tyres which gives much better traction and they are NOT noisy.

[starvin marvin]

Derek Uzzell - 2012-11-22 12:30 PM

 

This link will produce a list of forum threads containing "215/70" http://tinyurl.com/d6rbuoe most of which will be tyre-related.

 

There have been regular forum discussions about 'motorhome' tyres versus 'white van' tyres - this is a long one!

 

http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=29031&start=1

 

The French motorhome magazine "Camping-Car" recently published a supplement that including a piece on the three 'motorhome' tyre-ranges currently marketed - Continental's "VancoCamper", Michelin's "Agilis Camping" and Pirelli's "Chrono Camper". It used to be the case that the tyre factory-fitted to Fiat Ducato-based motorhomes as part of the Fiat Camping-car Package normally came from Michelin. Apparently this is no longer so, and the tyre now normally factory-fitted is Continental's "VancoCamper".

 

Inflating tyres with nitrogen was asked about in the latest (december 2012) issue of the Caravan Club Magazine. To summarise the CC's advice - harmless but don't pay much for having it done.

 

 

Thanks for the reply, I've just seen the CC article and when I asked ithe lowest quoter f it would be cheaper without "nitrogen" the answer was no, that was the all in price. So if it ain't costing much they can bung it in, the last two tyres I bought last year from the same supplier where also VancoCamper and they were filled with nitrogen and I've not had to inflate them... so far.

[Robinhood]

747 - 2012-11-22 2:03 PM

 

Basil - 2012-11-22 1:19 PM

 

Just had 215 70 15 Avon Avanza's fitted to ours bought through Tyre Shopper at an all in price of £85 each, as previous link, and fitted locally by National tyres, best bit is they are made in the UK not some Asian or east European country.

 

I find them much better than our previous Goodyears which in turn were better than our previous Michilin Aglis, so all in all a better ride, quieter and so far a completely better feel to cornering and braking.

 

Bas

 

Once again I have to reprimand someone for misleading statements. If your Michelins were bought BEFORE your Goodyears then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be AGILIS tyres. They would have been Michelin XC possibly. The Agilis name is a NEW name for a NEW tyre. They are a vast improvement on the old type and are Mud and Snow tyres which gives much better traction and they are NOT noisy.

 

.......er, nope.

 

Michelin have been selling an "Agilis" tyre for years. The following link for instance contains a motorhome-related reference to them from 2006, at which point they had already been around for some few years.

 

This particular range was replaced by a "new" Agilis, more recently, and at a similar point the previous XC Camping tyre was replaced by an Agilis Camping tyre (AFAIK in early 2008).

 

The latter, therefore, has not been around for over-long, but is entirely possible to have had Agilis tyres before that (albeit not Agilis Camping).

[EJB]

Replaced the tyres on my MH 5 years ago. They were Michelin campers and date marked 2002.. I replaced them with the new (2007) Agilis campers.

Unfortunately I now need to do it again *-)

[747]

Robinhood - 2012-11-22 3:29 PM

 

747 - 2012-11-22 2:03 PM

 

Basil - 2012-11-22 1:19 PM

 

Just had 215 70 15 Avon Avanza's fitted to ours bought through Tyre Shopper at an all in price of £85 each, as previous link, and fitted locally by National tyres, best bit is they are made in the UK not some Asian or east European country.

 

I find them much better than our previous Goodyears which in turn were better than our previous Michilin Aglis, so all in all a better ride, quieter and so far a completely better feel to cornering and braking.

 

Bas

 

Once again I have to reprimand someone for misleading statements. If your Michelins were bought BEFORE your Goodyears then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be AGILIS tyres. They would have been Michelin XC possibly. The Agilis name is a NEW name for a NEW tyre. They are a vast improvement on the old type and are Mud and Snow tyres which gives much better traction and they are NOT noisy.

 

.......er, nope.

 

Michelin have been selling an "Agilis" tyre for years. The following link for instance contains a motorhome-related reference to them from 2006, at which point they had already been around for some few years.

 

This particular range was replaced by a "new" Agilis, more recently, and at a similar point the previous XC Camping tyre was replaced by an Agilis Camping tyre (AFAIK in early 2008).

 

The latter, therefore, has not been around for over-long, but is entirely possible to have had Agilis tyres before that (albeit not Agilis Camping).

 

Oh well, back to the drawing board. :-(

 

I presumed the Agilis name was a new one for a new tyre but I agree that the only 'Camping' tyre was the XC that I had come across. Many conversions did not need a special camping tyre a few years ago but that might have changed now as it is rare to find a small motorhome outside of a few specialist companies like Romahome etc.

 

I shall slink off and lick my wounds now. :D

[Basil]

747 - 2012-11-22 2:03 PM

 

[Once again I have to reprimand someone for misleading statements. If your Michelins were bought BEFORE your Goodyears then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be AGILIS tyres. They would have been Michelin XC possibly. The Agilis name is a NEW name for a NEW tyre. They are a vast improvement on the old type and are Mud and Snow tyres which gives much better traction and they are NOT noisy.

 

Then make sure you reprimand correctly 747, why do you imagine that the Michilines could not have been bought before the Goodyears, I was not aware you with me when I bought them? Why do you think that the statment was misleading

The Michelins WERE brand new Aglis and were discarded for reasons reported on in an earlier thread. Goodyears were G26's but were 195x70x15 which I uprated to 215x70x15 Avon Avanzas.

 

Bas

[747]

Basil - 2012-11-22 5:53 PM

 

747 - 2012-11-22 2:03 PM

 

[Once again I have to reprimand someone for misleading statements. If your Michelins were bought BEFORE your Goodyears then it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be AGILIS tyres. They would have been Michelin XC possibly. The Agilis name is a NEW name for a NEW tyre. They are a vast improvement on the old type and are Mud and Snow tyres which gives much better traction and they are NOT noisy.

 

Then make sure you reprimand correctly 747, why do you imagine that the Michilines could not have been bought before the Goodyears, I was not aware you with me when I bought them? Why do you think that the statment was misleading

The Michelins WERE brand new Aglis and were discarded for reasons reported on in an earlier thread. Goodyears were G26's but were 195x70x15 which I uprated to 215x70x15 Avon Avanzas.

 

Bas

 

I feel duly chastened by the man with the bow and arrow, you need not worry about that. :$

 

From your original post it seemed as though they were the 3rd last set you bought and as they do not wear out quickly, it seemed that the time line was of a long(ish) time ago. It would be interesting to know what year you bought them new. I was not aware that the Agilis name was an old one and it seems not when applied to camping cars. I had the previous generation Michelin camping tyres on my Elddis and they were total crap. I lost traction as soon as a dark cloud appeared on the horizon. 8-)

 

The new generation Michelins are far superior. There is approaching 2 tonne on my front axle and I have never been stuck in soft ground yet (there were a couple of close shaves this year).

 

As Robinhood pointed out, the earlier Agilis must not have been rated as 'camping car' tyres specifically and (from memory) mine were Michelin XC on the Elddis, it was a 56 reg van.

 

My wife is ironing my hair shirt as I type. >:-(