sshortcircuit Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yes, an exercise ECG which I have no problems with. Unfortunately I am unable to find the group 2 category and if I was going to drive a bus would understand the request. Just finding DVLA difficult in communicating with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Group 2 seems to be for professional goods and passenger vehicles. http://www.hse.gov.uk/workplacetransport/personnel/medicalfitness.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddies104 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 As you say, no group 2, only form D2, was there anything on your medical form that may of referred to a problem that the DVLA need further info on ?...... Just looked inside the envelope that you get from the post office for a D2, and the Medical form has the heading..:- Medical examination report for a Group 2 (Lorry or Bus) licence ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 When I look through the yougov/ dvla websites I can't see any dispensation for C1 licences for motorhomes. If inexperienced administrators at Swansea are just reading their own literature they will assume a Moho is an HGV or PSV, and advise you that you need a regular extended medical. Is this a change since the Glasgow bin lorry incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Your C1E licence is the one that the DVLA are classing as Group 2 which you will be required to have the medical and enable you to drive a vehicle grossing off at more than 3.5t. but not more than 7.5t gross. A C1 licence is your normal car licence enabling you to drive a vehicle upto 3.5t gross. You do not need a medical for this type of licence but if you have any type of illness that you think may affect your driving then you have to tell the DVLA and your insurance company, the onus is on you to do this. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 nowtelse2do - 2015-11-23 3:38 PM Your C1E licence is the one that the DVLA are classing as Group 2 which you will be required to have the medical and enable you to drive a vehicle grossing off at more than 3.5t. but not more than 7.5t gross. A C1 licence is your normal car licence enabling you to drive a vehicle upto 3.5t gross. You do not need a medical for this type of licence but if you have any type of illness that you think may affect your driving then you have to tell the DVLA and your insurance company, the onus is on you to do this. Dave Dave, Sorry but you have got your vehicle categories wrong! A C1E is a category C1 towing a trailer. ie a vehicle between 3,500 kg and 7,500 kg. A vehicle below 3,500 kg MAM (GVW) is a category B (commonly referred to as a car). Have a look at this DVLA leaflet... https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/432684/INS57P_111114.pdf Keith. Edit to add - read page 18 for specific info on MH's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophie2 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I've just had an email from Comfort Insurance asking me to send photocopy of my licence to show I have C1 entitlement for "3.5 plus" motorhomes. Interesting! Anyone else had such a request from their Ins Co?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Hi Keith, yes my mistake. Keith is quite correct my apologies. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Grandad Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Hi. I renewed my motorhome insurance with Comfort at the end of September and was not asked for a photocopy of my licence entitlement. Our motorhome is plated at 4250 kgs. I hold a CE licence, the old Class 1, which being over 70 I have to have a medical every year. It was due for renewal on 21st November. Had my medical without any mention of an ECG, on the 6th of November, sent it straight off and received my new licence 5 days later. Last year it took 2 months to get my new licence. My doctor charges £50. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Grandad Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Sorry, I should also have said. If you passed your test before 1997 you are automatically entitled to drive over 3.5 ton up to 7.5ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 This thread shows just how confusing the regulations are and how folk have varying interpretations. If you have a C1 licence you can drive over 3.5 T motorhomes, C1+E allows you to pull a trailer. At 70 you can take a medical to retain this entitlement, which you renew every three years, otherwise you are limited to 3.5T max. The classes 1 and 2 just confuse the issue as class two is for lorries and busses, this needs much more stringent medicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bill, it's what you call keeping someone in work, thinking up things to mend that don't need mending....and earning a bloody good wage and pension whilst sitting on their a*se throwing paper airplanes around the office in their spare time.....which is about 7 out of 8 hours a day' Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 nowtelse2do - 2015-11-23 7:33 PM Bill, it's what you call keeping someone in work, thinking up things to mend that don't need mending....and earning a bloody good wage and pension whilst sitting on their a*se throwing paper airplanes around the office in their spare time.....which is about 7 out of 8 hours a day' Dave I would be most interested if you can substantiate any of this posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupe Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 DVLA sent forms for licence renewal, had medical as required (£100) sent everything off beginning of Sept. Medical form sent back as doc had missed 2 tick boxes (no rebate!), sorted out, sent back end Sept. Letter 2 weeks ago saying I have to have exercise ECG, had this when I was 70 as well, had a heart attack, was given stents 7yrs ago and have been discharged from specialists follow up for 5 years. Was told by the hospital that the exercise ECG is the equivalent of private appointment which DVLA pay around £300 for. However the doc who does this test is away until mid-December , DVLA say allow 3 weeks for them to receive the doc's report and then as they have a heavy workload it could be a few weeks after that before I get my C1 licence renewed. That would make it 5mths since this process was started - I was 73 in the beginning of Nov - so does that mean I will have lost virtually 3mths worth of licence? Normally we are off to Spain late Oct but we are stuck here until my licence comes through. Did consider, once I've had the exercise ECG, just going but am a bit worried about being stopped and not having a licence with me. My daughter lives in France and tells me that since the terrorist problems in Paris and elsewhere that there have been a lot more spot checks and they are being doubly careful in checking all documents so not sure I want to chance it. When I was 70 and had to go through all of this DVLA sent me a letter to say it was OK to drive while they were processing my application but can't imagine French or Spanish police being happy with that. I understand that DVLA are understaffed apparently but this length of time seems ridiculous and it's not as though they are on the phone as all I ever get is shoved on a loop costing me money and getting nowhere, even with a direct number was just told they would look into it. Just so, so frustrating not being able to do anything to move things along. Dread to think how much worse it will be when Georgie (Osborne) starts cutting DVLA budget as he's sure to do eventually. Looking forward to spending Christmas in the rain and cold!!! perhaps I should send DVLA a Christmas card!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJay Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Do you have your old licence still? If so take it with the letter from DVLA,should be Ok for Spanish police. Have you ever been asked to show licence while away? In 10 years of MH we have never been asked to show ours. In fact we sailed for 10 years to foreign ports, and only twice was asked for passport PJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 sshortcircuit - 2015-11-23 11:06 PM nowtelse2do - 2015-11-23 7:33 PM Bill, it's what you call keeping someone in work, thinking up things to mend that don't need mending....and earning a bloody good wage and pension whilst sitting on their a*se throwing paper airplanes around the office in their spare time.....which is about 7 out of 8 hours a day' Dave I would be most interested if you can substantiate any of this posting. The short answer to that Hamish is, no I can't, seeing that it was a tongue in cheek rant. I'm guessing that you are/were work in an office and have taken a bit of umbrage to the post, so I will compromise and say that it is 6 hr's spare time and not 7. hope thats better ;-) What I will say though is that a lot of the changes made to licence group's and vehicle weight definitions were already catered for and only needed slight adjustment and not to the extremes they went too. To prove a point, even now, lots of people are still asking questions that are hard to understand for the layman regarding the above which the changes were supposed to make easier to understand. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 jupe - 2015-11-24 12:30 PM DVLA sent forms for licence renewal, had medical as required (£100) sent everything off beginning of Sept. Medical form sent back as doc had missed 2 tick boxes (no rebate!), sorted out, sent back end Sept. Letter 2 weeks ago saying I have to have exercise ECG, had this when I was 70 as well, had a heart attack, was given stents 7yrs ago and have been discharged from specialists follow up for 5 years. Was told by the hospital that the exercise ECG is the equivalent of private appointment which DVLA pay around £300 for. However the doc who does this test is away until mid-December , DVLA say allow 3 weeks for them to receive the doc's report and then as they have a heavy workload it could be a few weeks after that before I get my C1 licence renewed. That would make it 5mths since this process was started - I was 73 in the beginning of Nov - so does that mean I will have lost virtually 3mths worth of licence? Normally we are off to Spain late Oct but we are stuck here until my licence comes through. Did consider, once I've had the exercise ECG, just going but am a bit worried about being stopped and not having a licence with me. My daughter lives in France and tells me that since the terrorist problems in Paris and elsewhere that there have been a lot more spot checks and they are being doubly careful in checking all documents so not sure I want to chance it. When I was 70 and had to go through all of this DVLA sent me a letter to say it was OK to drive while they were processing my application but can't imagine French or Spanish police being happy with that. I understand that DVLA are understaffed apparently but this length of time seems ridiculous and it's not as though they are on the phone as all I ever get is shoved on a loop costing me money and getting nowhere, even with a direct number was just told they would look into it. Just so, so frustrating not being able to do anything to move things along. Dread to think how much worse it will be when Georgie (Osborne) starts cutting DVLA budget as he's sure to do eventually. Looking forward to spending Christmas in the rain and cold!!! perhaps I should send DVLA a Christmas card!! The dvla are aware that you have applied for your licence so it's on record, which means you're ok to drive until there is a decision made whether to grant or decline it. If everything is ok and you retain the licence then it will run from the day it's processed, in your case I would think you'll gain a few months. I don't know anything about the ECG process. Is it possible to go private for the test? I realise there's a substantial cost but if it saves time which you seem to need would it be worth it? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 nowtelse2do - 2015-11-24 4:57 PM sshortcircuit - 2015-11-23 11:06 PM nowtelse2do - 2015-11-23 7:33 PM Bill, it's what you call keeping someone in work, thinking up things to mend that don't need mending....and earning a bloody good wage and pension whilst sitting on their a*se throwing paper airplanes around the office in their spare time.....which is about 7 out of 8 hours a day' Dave I would be most interested if you can substantiate any of this posting. The short answer to that Hamish is, no I can't, seeing that it was a tongue in cheek rant. I'm guessing that you are/were work in an office and have taken a bit of umbrage to the post, so I will compromise and say that it is 6 hr's spare time and not 7. hope thats better ;-) What I will say though is that a lot of the changes made to licence group's and vehicle weight definitions were already catered for and only needed slight adjustment and not to the extremes they went too. To prove a point, even now, lots of people are still asking questions that are hard to understand for tjhe layman regarding the above which the changes were supposed to make easier to understand. Dave My post was also somewhat tongue in cheek to your ill informed posting and you have not disappointed with your reply. My work/business career has spanned from the bottom to the top none of which I need to justify, suffice to say that the worst customers to deal with are members of the public with silly preconceived ideas like yours. This has been an excellent thread and I have continued to add to in order that others can prepare themselves from the tribulations to come. I will continue to update as and when. I would suggest if you can't be positive then don't post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 jupe - 2015-11-24 12:30 PM DVLA sent forms for licence renewal, had medical as required (£100) sent everything off beginning of Sept. Medical form sent back as doc had missed 2 tick boxes (no rebate!), sorted out, sent back end Sept. Letter 2 weeks ago saying I have to have exercise ECG, had this when I was 70 as well, had a heart attack, was given stents 7yrs ago and have been discharged from specialists follow up for 5 years. Was told by the hospital that the exercise ECG is the equivalent of private appointment which DVLA pay around £300 for. However the doc who does this test is away until mid-December , DVLA say allow 3 weeks for them to receive the doc's report and then as they have a heavy workload it could be a few weeks after that before I get my C1 licence renewed. That would make it 5mths since this process was started - I was 73 in the beginning of Nov - so does that mean I will have lost virtually 3mths worth of licence? Normally we are off to Spain late Oct but we are stuck here until my licence comes through. Did consider, once I've had the exercise ECG, just going but am a bit worried about being stopped and not having a licence with me. My daughter lives in France and tells me that since the terrorist problems in Paris and elsewhere that there have been a lot more spot checks and they are being doubly careful in checking all documents so not sure I want to chance it. When I was 70 and had to go through all of this DVLA sent me a letter to say it was OK to drive while they were processing my application but can't imagine French or Spanish police being happy with that. I understand that DVLA are understaffed apparently but this length of time seems ridiculous and it's not as though they are on the phone as all I ever get is shoved on a loop costing me money and getting nowhere, even with a direct number was just told they would look into it. Just so, so frustrating not being able to do anything to move things along. Dread to think how much worse it will be when Georgie (Osborne) starts cutting DVLA budget as he's sure to do eventually. Looking forward to spending Christmas in the rain and cold!!! perhaps I should send DVLA a Christmas card!! Thank you for an excellent post that virtually chronicles my own experience. My medical cost £40 and the Doctor double checked her entries as she was aware of DVLA requirements. As far as I am aware I have no heart problems so the ECG will be beneficial. I have recently had circulation problems diagnosed in my right leg so possibly this has had an influence . ECG arranged for 8th December so hopefully I will get licence before end of February when I depart to Spain. Will update as and when Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Seems you took a bit more umbrage than I thought. Try this;- GVW = Gross Vehicle Weight. = The maximum weight of vehicle and load. GVTW = Gross Vehicle Train Weight. = The maximum weight of vehicle and trailer when loaded. TW = Tare Weight. = Weight of the Load Net Weight = Speaks for itself but = Weight of vehicle with/ without trailer when empty. Is there anything wrong with the above, if your answer is no, then why was it changed. If your answer is yes, then please explain it to me. Believe me...there are lots more. And has for not being positive........see who started the thread. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowtelse2do Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 nowtelse2do - 2015-11-24 8:30 PM Seems you took a bit more umbrage than I thought. Try this;- GVW = Gross Vehicle Weight. = The maximum weight of vehicle and load. GVTW = Gross Vehicle Train Weight. = The maximum weight of vehicle and trailer when loaded. TW = Tare Weight. = Weight of the Load Net Weight = Speaks for itself but = Weight of vehicle with/ without trailer when empty. Is there anything wrong with the above, if your answer is no, then why was it changed. If your answer is yes, then please explain it to me. Believe me...there are lots more. And has for not being positive........see who started the thread. Dave The above should read TW = Tare Weight = Weight of vehicle unloaded with/without trailer. Net Weight = Weight of load. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophie2 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 To confuse matters further I seem to recollect that the Application form for a C1 Licence (or may be the Medical form) is headed "Application for Buses and Lorries" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Current position I made a further complaint to DVLA asking where I can find details on Group 2 vehicles as a search of there web site reveals nothing and also why I was needing this test. Received a phone call from them today to say info on site?? but they will send a leaflet. I asked about test and they said this was now required as I have medical issues, none affecting my heart. If this is now the requirements why was I not informed very early and the test arranged rather than wait until my licence expired. "Short staff, workload" to which I replied incompetence. Also advised it could take up to another 4 1/2 months after results received. This is an absolutely totally inefficient department and you are just banging your head against a brick wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymer1942 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Good morning all just a quick question is there anyone out there who has had the test stress test and then received their license if so can you tell me how long it was after the test that the license arrived. As it would give me some idea maybe as when I can expect to receive man thanks for any help. Barrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshortcircuit Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 hymer1942 - 2015-11-28 9:14 AM Good morning all just a quick question is there anyone out there who has had the test stress test and then received their license if so can you tell me how long it was after the test that the license arrived. As it would give me some idea maybe as when I can expect to receive man thanks for any help. Barrie An update and an answer. I took stress test on 8th December and on checking my licence details on the DVLA web site today, I now have a licence, valid until 17th December 2018 and not my birthday which is 28th October. This process was started at the end of July and attempting to obtain any useful information from DVLA extremely difficult. I have yet to receive the actual licence. With reference to the time after stress test, I cannot say if this is typical, as I had received a letter, as a result of my phone call to them complaining, indicating I would be given priority??? I would also add it will also depend how and how quickly the hospital sends results. Hope you have received your licence. Now just over 2 1/2 years to prepare for next stress test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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