Poor old Diane Abbot

[antony1969]

pelmetman - 2017-06-08 8:07 AM

John52 - 2017-06-08 6:55 AM

pelmetman - 2017-06-07 7:27 PM

John52 - 2017-06-07 11:32 AM

StuartO - 2017-06-07 10:45 AMShe did at least provide some light relief during her struggle to remember what she was supposed to be pushing as the Party Line;  maybe she was never very good at numbers.

Has anybody presented any evidence she is faking it?Or are these insinuations the usual election dirty tricks?

She has a history of faking it ;-) .......http://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbotts-history-of-gaffes-10482258

Can't see anything there about faking an illness.

What a selective memory you have John (lol) ........http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4183780/Labour-fury-Diane-Abbott-s-missing-vote-Brexit.html

She's been ill for years ... verbal diarrhoea mainly ... It strikes at the most unfortunate times like during interviews and mostly every time she talks ... You can bet after the election if she has been pushed out and it would take some pushing that she'll be claiming it's cos she's black ... vile woman

[Barryd999]

derek pringle - 2017-06-08 8:43 AM

 

hi,

When Corbyn took over as leader he did not have many MP's who wanted to work with him ,so he had to take what he could. However,if he does win the election I wonder what all the MP,s who tried to destroy him will do, no doubt they will willingly accept a good job in his cabinet.

Cynical, but I believe most politicians are pure careerists.

derek

 

Yes, good post. I dont think JC is though. Despite what others think of him I think he is genuine. The Tories will win of course but I think we will have a credible opposition over the next term now.

[StuartO]

derek pringle - 2017-06-08 8:43 AMhi, When Corbyn took over as leader he did not have many MP's who wanted to work with him ,so he had to take what he could. However,if he does win the election I wonder what all the MP,s who tried to destroy him will do, no doubt they will willingly accept a good job in his cabinet.Cynical, but I believe most politicians are pure careerists.derek

 

I doubt if there is much chance that JC will win this election but he's made a good effort with the campaign, even if they were making bold promises which they probably knew they wouldn't have to deliver on, but the object presumably was to put a good show on, to underpin the left wing and he certainly comes across well theleadership of the Party, which is now more secure that if they had fallen on their face.  He is more relaxed, more confident and manages to come across as genuine  even though I think this is mostly better technique he's been taught and is willing to deploy, even when he does have to bend his principles a bit to do so.

 

It certainly seems likely that Diane Abbott will want to come back and since it's difficult to think in terms of any credible illness which could explain her spectacular under-performance during the campaign and from which she could credibly recover, I suppose the Leadership would prefer her to quietly fade away. Whether she'll do that remains to be seen and if she decideds to sound off the media will certainly regard it as newsworthy.

 

There was talk tat a lot of the better quality centerist Labour MPs (who might be about to lose their seats anyway) would aim to leave politics rather than sit under JC's cloud, certainly not for a Shaddow Cabinet post.

 

I'm hopefull that we'll see Theresa May bounce back and recover her leadership credibility, but we'll see.  Clearly if she did lose this Election they would get rid of her.

 

[starvin marvin]

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

[antony1969]

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

[starvin marvin]

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

 

Be that as it may, a majority of 35k and some change (apologies for the Americanism but there are loads of them walking the camino and it just rubs off). Certainly says something, confidence perhaps?

[antony1969]

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 8:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

 

Be that as it may, a majority of 35k and some change (apologies for the Americanism but there are loads of them walking the camino and it just rubs off). Certainly says something, confidence perhaps?

 

Yep it certainly says something ... The good folk of Hackney don't mind voting for a racist woman who's a big part of an anti-Semitic party ... If you wanna call that confidence

[Brian Kirby]

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

True Antony, but only insofar as Tower Hamlets is concerned. I know you tend to see London as the fount of all evil, but it is the part of the country that makes our money, pays the most in tax, and generates the income that then gets distributed to other, less productive, parts of the UK. Now, if the rest of the UK earned what London earns per capita, we'd all be a happy as pigs in poo! Careful what you wish for! :-D

 

PS, Sussex is not part of London - at least not yet!

[John52]

Brian Kirby - 2017-06-09 10:01 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

True Antony, but only insofar as Tower Hamlets is concerned. I know you tend to see London as the fount of all evil, but it is the part of the country that makes our money, pays the most in tax, and generates the income that then gets distributed to other, less productive, parts of the UK. Now, if the rest of the UK earned what London earns per capita, we'd all be a happy as pigs in poo! Careful what you wish for! :-D

 

PS, Sussex is not part of London - at least not yet!

 

How much of that is because the Government chooses to plant itself, and ancilliary and public services in London, and raise taxes from the rest of the country to pay for it?

[John52]

Bulletguy - 2017-06-07 11:52 AM

 

StuartO - 2017-06-07 10:45 AM

 

She did at least provide some light relief during her struggle to remember what she was supposed to be pushing as the Party Line; maybe she was never very good at numbers.

That gaffe is weeks old and they all make 'em.........including May who wants UK "to lead the world in preventing tourism".

 

Perhaps May is dyslexic or just crap at using autocue.

 

May also warned us about a Coalition of Chaos, filled with Terrorist Sympathisers. She didn't tell us she would be leading it :-S

[antony1969]

Brian Kirby - 2017-06-09 10:01 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

True Antony, but only insofar as Tower Hamlets is concerned. I know you tend to see London as the fount of all evil, but it is the part of the country that makes our money, pays the most in tax, and generates the income that then gets distributed to other, less productive, parts of the UK. Now, if the rest of the UK earned what London earns per capita, we'd all be a happy as pigs in poo! Careful what you wish for! :-D

 

PS, Sussex is not part of London - at least not yet!

 

A part of London makes our money certainly not all ... Plenty other places in London would have voted the same as Miss Diane's constituents , the blind leading the blind ... Many areas would vote for a donkey (which they have) if it wore a red rosette or was black or Muslim and of course don't forget Londons champagne socialist brigade who love to tell us little people how to live ... Maybe if gunmans friend Jeremy were to get his way raising high earners tax and raising corporation tax many in London would say sod that and do one , less income to distribute to us poor and needy

[candapack]

John52 - 2017-06-09 11:17 PM

 

May also warned us about a Coalition of Chaos, filled with Terrorist Sympathisers. She didn't tell us she would be leading it :-S

 

I like that so much I'm going to steal it. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Barryd999]

Getting back to Diane Abbot. Someone posted this on another forum earlier. https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/

 

I admit to not knowing much about her to be fair and she certainly seemed like a liability but its quite a CV. The comments on twitter etc and sadly even on some forums have been pretty nasty. You must have to have Rhino skin to be a Polly.

[antony1969]

Barryd999 - 2017-06-10 2:09 PM

 

Getting back to Diane Abbot. Someone posted this on another forum earlier. https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/

 

I admit to not knowing much about her to be fair and she certainly seemed like a liability but its quite a CV. The comments on twitter etc and sadly even on some forums have been pretty nasty. You must have to have Rhino skin to be a Polly.

 

Rhino skin ??? ... Old Diane's got away with a hell of a lot just because she's got black skin me thinks ... Minging woman who has played on that fact for a long time

[Guest pelmetman]

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 8:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

 

Be that as it may, a majority of 35k and some change (apologies for the Americanism but there are loads of them walking the camino and it just rubs off). Certainly says something, confidence perhaps?

 

Say's to me some folk will vote for anyone ;-) ......

 

I see Mr Vaz kept his seat 8-) .........Not to fussy these minorities are they? >:-) ......

 

 

[starvin marvin]

pelmetman - 2017-06-10 7:16 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 8:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

 

Be that as it may, a majority of 35k and some change (apologies for the Americanism but there are loads of them walking the camino and it just rubs off). Certainly says something, confidence perhaps?

 

Say's to me some folk will vote for anyone ;-) ......

 

I see Mr Vaz kept his seat 8-) .........Not to fussy these minorities are they? >:-) ......

 

 

That's democracy for you, you may not like it, but that's the way it is.

[antony1969]

starvin marvin - 2017-06-10 7:23 PM

 

pelmetman - 2017-06-10 7:16 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 8:14 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

 

Be that as it may, a majority of 35k and some change (apologies for the Americanism but there are loads of them walking the camino and it just rubs off). Certainly says something, confidence perhaps?

 

Say's to me some folk will vote for anyone ;-) ......

 

I see Mr Vaz kept his seat 8-) .........Not to fussy these minorities are they? >:-) ......

 

 

That's democracy for you, you may not like it, but that's the way it is.

 

Can you tell them Remain voters that then please ... Its been a year since the vote ... Maybe a nod to those anti-Trump types too ... Regards

[John52]

antony1969 - 2017-06-10 8:40 AM

 

Brian Kirby - 2017-06-09 10:01 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

True Antony, but only insofar as Tower Hamlets is concerned. I know you tend to see London as the fount of all evil, but it is the part of the country that makes our money, pays the most in tax, and generates the income that then gets distributed to other, less productive, parts of the UK. Now, if the rest of the UK earned what London earns per capita, we'd all be a happy as pigs in poo! Careful what you wish for! :-D

 

PS, Sussex is not part of London - at least not yet!

 

A part of London makes our money certainly not all ... Plenty other places in London would have voted the same as Miss Diane's constituents , the blind leading the blind ... Many areas would vote for a donkey (which they have) if it wore a red rosette or was black or Muslim and of course don't forget Londons champagne socialist brigade who love to tell us little people how to live ... Maybe if gunmans friend Jeremy were to get his way raising high earners tax and raising corporation tax many in London would say sod that and do one , less income to distribute to us poor and needy

 

Is there a possibility her constituents who have met her know more about her than you have learned from reading the Daily Mail *-)

[antony1969]

John52 - 2017-06-13 7:50 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-10 8:40 AM

 

Brian Kirby - 2017-06-09 10:01 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-09 7:34 PM

 

starvin marvin - 2017-06-09 5:18 PM

 

I agree she's a liability. A loose cannon does not fully describe her. Then she goes and increases her majority, who would have thought it?

 

Next stop Strictly Come Dancing, or is that reserved for Cleggy? Nice little earner.

 

Abbot increasing her majority says more about the mentality of Londoners and Labour voters than a thousand words from anyone else could

True Antony, but only insofar as Tower Hamlets is concerned. I know you tend to see London as the fount of all evil, but it is the part of the country that makes our money, pays the most in tax, and generates the income that then gets distributed to other, less productive, parts of the UK. Now, if the rest of the UK earned what London earns per capita, we'd all be a happy as pigs in poo! Careful what you wish for! :-D

 

PS, Sussex is not part of London - at least not yet!

 

A part of London makes our money certainly not all ... Plenty other places in London would have voted the same as Miss Diane's constituents , the blind leading the blind ... Many areas would vote for a donkey (which they have) if it wore a red rosette or was black or Muslim and of course don't forget Londons champagne socialist brigade who love to tell us little people how to live ... Maybe if gunmans friend Jeremy were to get his way raising high earners tax and raising corporation tax many in London would say sod that and do one , less income to distribute to us poor and needy

 

Is there a possibility her constituents who have met her know more about her than you have learned from reading the Daily Mail *-)

 

I don't read the Daily Mail John ... The videos of most of her remarks are online and written reports from many sources regarding her comments too , if you can get your nose out of The Guardian take a look ... I've seen them so I guess her constituents have too but they still voted for her ... One can only assume they've voted for her for the previous reasons I've given ... I see it's reported that Yvette Cooper will be taking her place , yes that's right Yvette Cooper wants a slice of Corbyns success now after slating him for the last couple of years

[John52]

Shows how the Tory Campaign against Dianne Abbot misquoted her eg: May said ‘Diane wants to wipe the DNA database’ – no I don’t, I wanted to take innocent people off it.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/diane-abbott-reveals-illness-and-hits-out-at-vicious-tory-campaign

Wheras the people of Hackney got more first hand news and increased her majority by 11,000

[antony1969]

John52 - 2017-06-14 7:58 AM

 

Shows how the Tory Campaign against Dianne Abbot misquoted her eg: May said ‘Diane wants to wipe the DNA database’ – no I don’t, I wanted to take innocent people off it.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/diane-abbott-reveals-illness-and-hits-out-at-vicious-tory-campaign

Wheras the people of Hackney got more first hand news and increased her majority by 11,000

 

Surprised Diane didn't claim racism towards HM Mrs May ... Diane can't remember anything she says , she can't remember figures either ... she has a very selective memory ... minging woman and her constituents deserve her

[Bulletguy]

antony1969 - 2017-06-14 9:44 AM

 

John52 - 2017-06-14 7:58 AM

 

Shows how the Tory Campaign against Dianne Abbot misquoted her eg: May said ‘Diane wants to wipe the DNA database’ – no I don’t, I wanted to take innocent people off it.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/diane-abbott-reveals-illness-and-hits-out-at-vicious-tory-campaign

Wheras the people of Hackney got more first hand news and increased her majority by 11,000

 

Surprised Diane didn't claim racism towards HM Mrs May ... Diane can't remember anything she says , she can't remember figures either ... she has a very selective memory ... minging woman and her constituents deserve her.

All politicians have 'selective memories'....it's part of their dna. Talking of which, Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys, the scientist who discovered dna, is far from happy about it's abuse so Abbot is not on her own there.

 

"My concern is that the way the database is now being populated by increasingly innocent people........I've seen figures as high as 800,000 entirely innocent people on that database. My concerns, which were very much reflected in a recent ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, is that this is a real violation of an individual's privacy."

 

Sir Alec said he agreed with the court's assessment that this level of retention was "blanket and indiscriminate"."There's a real risk of stigmatisation, particularly ethnic minorities are being over-represented, along with juveniles," he said.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8000126.stm

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-06-14 10:52 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-14 9:44 AM

 

John52 - 2017-06-14 7:58 AM

 

Shows how the Tory Campaign against Dianne Abbot misquoted her eg: May said ‘Diane wants to wipe the DNA database’ – no I don’t, I wanted to take innocent people off it.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/diane-abbott-reveals-illness-and-hits-out-at-vicious-tory-campaign

Wheras the people of Hackney got more first hand news and increased her majority by 11,000

 

Surprised Diane didn't claim racism towards HM Mrs May ... Diane can't remember anything she says , she can't remember figures either ... she has a very selective memory ... minging woman and her constituents deserve her.

All politicians have 'selective memories'....it's part of their dna. Talking of which, Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys, the scientist who discovered dna, is far from happy about it's abuse so Abbot is not on her own there.

 

"My concern is that the way the database is now being populated by increasingly innocent people........I've seen figures as high as 800,000 entirely innocent people on that database. My concerns, which were very much reflected in a recent ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, is that this is a real violation of an individual's privacy."

 

Sir Alec said he agreed with the court's assessment that this level of retention was "blanket and indiscriminate"."There's a real risk of stigmatisation, particularly ethnic minorities are being over-represented, along with juveniles," he said.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8000126.stm

 

If your innocent and don't intend to commit crime then why would you worry about DNA on a database , in fact I would imagine it could help a supposed under funded police force to establish immediately a suspect is either guilty or innocent ... I would imagine Miss Diane's selective concern might not be so if it wasn't for the fact so many blacks are on the database ... She's a black mother and they do according to her love their kids more than white after all

[Bulletguy]

antony1969 - 2017-06-14 12:20 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-06-14 10:52 AM

 

antony1969 - 2017-06-14 9:44 AM

 

John52 - 2017-06-14 7:58 AM

 

Shows how the Tory Campaign against Dianne Abbot misquoted her eg: May said ‘Diane wants to wipe the DNA database’ – no I don’t, I wanted to take innocent people off it.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/13/diane-abbott-reveals-illness-and-hits-out-at-vicious-tory-campaign

Wheras the people of Hackney got more first hand news and increased her majority by 11,000

 

Surprised Diane didn't claim racism towards HM Mrs May ... Diane can't remember anything she says , she can't remember figures either ... she has a very selective memory ... minging woman and her constituents deserve her.

All politicians have 'selective memories'....it's part of their dna. Talking of which, Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys, the scientist who discovered dna, is far from happy about it's abuse so Abbot is not on her own there.

 

"My concern is that the way the database is now being populated by increasingly innocent people........I've seen figures as high as 800,000 entirely innocent people on that database. My concerns, which were very much reflected in a recent ruling by the European Court of Human Rights, is that this is a real violation of an individual's privacy."

 

Sir Alec said he agreed with the court's assessment that this level of retention was "blanket and indiscriminate"."There's a real risk of stigmatisation, particularly ethnic minorities are being over-represented, along with juveniles," he said.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8000126.stm

 

If your innocent and don't intend to commit crime then why would you worry about DNA on a database , in fact I would imagine it could help a supposed under funded police force to establish immediately a suspect is either guilty or innocent ... I would imagine Miss Diane's selective concern might not be so if it wasn't for the fact so many blacks are on the database ... She's a black mother and they do according to her love their kids more than white after all

I've always been in two minds on that, more so after watching a very troubling documentary which Prof Jeffreys made a significant contribution in. Voluntary dna is supposed to be destroyed after so long, but he found that is not happening hence the reason so many entirely innocent people who have never committed a crime, are on the database. Prof. Jeffreys himself has said many are ethnic minorities so Abbot may well be right and if so the question we should be asking is if those people have never committed a crime then why are they there.

 

 

[John52]

antony1969 - 2017-06-14 12:20 PM

If your innocent and don't intend to commit crime then why would you worry about DNA on a database

Like CCTV - it depends whether you trust the authorities not to abuse the information *-)

Who is watching the watchers?

Doesn't inspire confidence with their smear campaigns against Jeremy Corbyn for acting in an official capacity in peace talks, only to be accused of being a 'Terrorist Sympathiser' - by people who are now about to derail the NI peace process and get into bed with the DUP to keep the Tory Party majority >:-)