p3a2i7t8sy Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Needing new battery will be installing solar panel later in the year , any recommendations welcomed. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agaric Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Use the search facility, there is probably more threads on this than any other subject. The answer will be Bosch or Varta which is the same battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJB Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I Google via size and price and normally take the cheapest 'sealed for life' unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandncaravan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 We would suggest a budget battery is the least value and also the least useful, see here for why : http://www.aandncaravanservices.co.uk/how-does-a-battery-work.php The webpage was updated at the end of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJB Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Presumably you only sell 'Premium' batteries at premium prices. I have a great deal of respect for your considerable knowledge and very studious attitude. Having been around for a little longer than most, both personally and technically, my advice has worked extremely well for over 50 years saving time, effort and money. I have sucked a few eggs and they weren't all Easter eggs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Dave Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 EJB - 2017-09-05 3:08 PM Presumably you only sell 'Premium' batteries at premium prices. I have a great deal of respect for your considerable knowledge and very studious attitude. Having been around for a little longer than most, both personally and technically, my advice has worked extremely well for over 50 years saving time, effort and money. I have sucked a few eggs and they weren't all Easter eggs! I think you will find that they don't sell batteries ! and some of the recent budget batteries made in china will be nothing like the batteries you have purchased over the last 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJB Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I certainly agree with your China reference.....perhaps I should have thought about that aspect ;-) I once purchased a container of electrics from China over 20 years ago.......after they were all sold and duly returned by retailers we were grateful that we only lost about 15% of the equivalent UK price. At least nowadays sales are a bit more secure through agents and more normal channels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 EJB - 2017-09-05 3:08 PM Presumably you only sell 'Premium' batteries at premium prices. I have a great deal of respect for your considerable knowledge and very studious attitude. Having been around for a little longer than most, both personally and technically, my advice has worked extremely well for over 50 years saving time, effort and money. I have sucked a few eggs and they weren't all Easter eggs! If you had read many of Allan's posts you would have heard him say time and time again that his advice on batteries is impartial as he does not sell batteries. Quote from his 'Battery Technology' page... "WE DO NOT SELL ANY BATTERIES, THIS IS INDEPENDENT ADVICE" http://www.aandncaravanservices.co.uk/battery-technology.php And for info I purchased a Varta LFD90 just as they came onto the market around six years ago and it is still going strong. I would back Allan in his recommendation as one of the best leisure batteries on the market and do not think you will better it with any budget battery. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 EJB - 2017-09-05 3:08 PM Presumably you only sell 'Premium' batteries at premium prices. I have a great deal of respect for your considerable knowledge and very studious attitude. Having been around for a little longer than most, both personally and technically, my advice has worked extremely well for over 50 years saving time, effort and money. I have sucked a few eggs and they weren't all Easter eggs! Before you post stuff like this suggest you check who you are talking to. Pompous post dose not even begin to describe yours, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJB Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I don't sell batteries it is purely independent advice based on many years experience and a fair amount of technical knowledge. The retort to my initial post was also a little pompous. But you are the boss so I'll shut up! PS I do know the company that dismissed my post and as I made clear I have more than a little respect for their abilities...sadly I didn't actually know that their repairs in the field excluded supplying batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandncaravan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 EJB, We did not 'dismiss your post', just suggested you read the web page to see exactly why a budget battery is not the best value, or the most useful? Lots of evidence on the webpage from people with far more Brains than me. One has been a Technical specialist in the battery industry all his life, and his 'Life Time' study forms the basis of the webpages contents. He studied thousands of batteries from thousands of Installations world wide so probably gathered a little bit more experience than most? We have also had significant email input from real battery specialists, as in one involved in implementation of new technology, over the past few months helping us to not only improve our own knowledge but enhance the information we publish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 aandncaravan - 2017-09-05 7:09 PM...................He studied thousands of batteries from thousands of Installations world wide so probably gathered a little bit more experience than most? Surely Allan, you don't mean he's........................................................................................an expert!? Have you no shame? Have you not yet learnt not to quote people who actually know of what they speak? Surely the opinion of your local greengrocer, a man who knows the meaning of hard work, would be far more reliable on this subject? I'm amazed at your gullibility. Fancy taking advice from an expert. What is the world coming to? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 EJB - 2017-09-05 6:47 PM I don't sell batteries it is purely independent advice based on many years experience and a fair amount of technical knowledge. The retort to my initial post was also a little pompous. But you are the boss so I'll shut up! PS I do know the company that dismissed my post and as I made clear I have more than a little respect for their abilities...sadly I didn't actually know that their repairs in the field excluded supplying batteries. Can we get two things straight, I am not 'the boss' of anything nor one of the guru's on this forum. However over the years I have belonged to it we have lost a lot of real knowledge by amateurs who question it. My background is no secret, I have listed it enough, so perhaps yours would give some credibility to replies. Some 'gurus' on here seem very reluctant to lists their backgrounds, probably because they just look things up rather than a real life experience in the motor or engineering worlds. I know nothing about you but years experience and technical knowledge in what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmerson Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I always used to buy "budget" batteries, until I noticed that the Varta on my old Volvo had a number etched on its face. I asked a friend who worked in Volvo dealership what it was for, and he discovered that it was Volvo's identity number. The records showed that it was the original battery, factory fitted in 1993. I have bought Varta ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 emmerson - 2017-09-05 10:16 PM I always used to buy "budget" batteries, until I noticed that the Varta on my old Volvo had a number etched on its face. I asked a friend who worked in Volvo dealership what it was for, and he discovered that it was Volvo's identity number. The records showed that it was the original battery, factory fitted in 1993. I have bought Varta ever since. Not saying Varta isn't good. But car manufacturers don't pay retail prices - thery buy components from whoever gives them the best deal. Doesn't necessarily mean they are the best components for the retail prices we pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandncaravan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 "Doesn't necessarily mean they are the best components for the retail prices we pay" John, sorry but in this case it does. If you took the trouble to read the web pages you would see the battery we recommend is different technology to any other conventional wet acid battery. So different, it is Patented. Not another battery technology like it in the World. That makes it : more efficient, gives out more usable amps, lasts longer, doesn't suffer heat degradation in Morroco, starts a 6 litre Truck engine in sub zero temperatures, doesn't self discharge, doesn't lose ANY fluid, doesn't suffer from thermal runaway/explosion, is 20% cheaper to manufacture, doesn't degrade in use to the degree other batteries do, doesn't suffer internal corrosion, doesn't leak in transit, etc. Yet they can be bought for £93, just £20 more than the cheapest, nastiest batteries out there. If you are comparing the exact like for like then going for the cheapest can make sense. But the Varta LFD90/Bosch L5 does not have any peers. The best and the worst wet acid batteries are hugely different, yet some of the worst are being sold for more than the Bosch L5!! If you buy a habitation battery purely on price, you will be missing out on the exact features and qualities most relevant to a Motorhome owner, and buying the dregs of the market. 15 years ago, when Lucas was a quality brand, one battery was pretty much the same as another. Don't make the mistake of thinking that still applies. Wet Acid Battery technology has changed so much in the last 3 years (just look at Exide's new Carbon offerings) that much of what many perceive was true has little relevance now. That is all covered, with independent evidence to back it up : http://www.aandncaravanservices.co.uk/battery-technology.php Sorry Brian, you are right, I accept it is sin full to use expert analysis when so many Greengrocers know better, but I just don't know any Greengrocers I can ask. :D :D P.S. Brian, would asking the Girl who restocks the Potatoes in ASDA be the same as a Greengrocer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 aandncaravan - 2017-09-06 9:24 AM..........................P.S. Brian, would asking the Girl who restocks the Potatoes in ASDA be the same as a Greengrocer? Only if she's a Guide, but don't tell her I said that! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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