Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-28 2:28 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 2:00 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM I have watched the video Dave. However, you’ve gone from the general back to the specific. The question you asked and which I answered was whether it was possible that having your picture taken entering court was a legitimate reason to stop a trial? To which the short answer is that it could be. As for Robinson’s arrest; a police officer may arrest someone if they have reasonable cause to believe that a breach of the peace is about to take place and doesn’t have to wait until it has taken place. In any event from the limited information available Robinson was subject to an injunction/ban of some kind and was sent down for breaching it. We have been discussing what has possibly happened here because none of us knows for certain what if any restrictions there are on reporting on this trial and whether the filming/taking photographs of the accused entering the court is also prohibited under those restrictions. We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? The Beano boys want to dispense with due process and just move straight to 'guilty' because they think they look guilty so must be!! Yet due process was accorded to Richard Price and Leigh McMillan, both senior EDL members. Price was convicted of downloading child porn and possession of crack cocaine. EDL organised a campaign to free him. *-) EDL member Leigh McMillan got 17 years for raping and abusing a 10 year old girl over a five year period. :-( Strange neither mentioned those cases......i can't think why. ;-) Can't speak for Dave but how does someone "look guilty" ??? Don't know why your mentioning the EDL ... I don't support em and I don't think Dave does and neither does respected reporter and best selling author Tommy Robinson . He was co-founder member and leader of EDL until five years ago. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 2:39 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-28 2:28 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 2:00 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM I have watched the video Dave. However, you’ve gone from the general back to the specific. The question you asked and which I answered was whether it was possible that having your picture taken entering court was a legitimate reason to stop a trial? To which the short answer is that it could be. As for Robinson’s arrest; a police officer may arrest someone if they have reasonable cause to believe that a breach of the peace is about to take place and doesn’t have to wait until it has taken place. In any event from the limited information available Robinson was subject to an injunction/ban of some kind and was sent down for breaching it. We have been discussing what has possibly happened here because none of us knows for certain what if any restrictions there are on reporting on this trial and whether the filming/taking photographs of the accused entering the court is also prohibited under those restrictions. We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? The Beano boys want to dispense with due process and just move straight to 'guilty' because they think they look guilty so must be!! Yet due process was accorded to Richard Price and Leigh McMillan, both senior EDL members. Price was convicted of downloading child porn and possession of crack cocaine. EDL organised a campaign to free him. *-) EDL member Leigh McMillan got 17 years for raping and abusing a 10 year old girl over a five year period. :-( Strange neither mentioned those cases......i can't think why. ;-) Can't speak for Dave but how does someone "look guilty" ??? Don't know why your mentioning the EDL ... I don't support em and I don't think Dave does and neither does respected reporter and best selling author Tommy Robinson . He was co-founder member and leader of EDL until five years ago. *-) "was" ... Well done you ... For once you got sumat right and he has zilch to do with em now and why ??? How does someone "look guilty" and did Tommy get the 13 months you said he didn't ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? Given the lack of remorse shown so far by those Asian grooming gangs found guilty of child rape............. I'm quite happy that my presumption will prove accurate :-| ............. Would you like to place a bet on it? :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-28 2:43 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 2:39 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-28 2:28 PM Don't know why your mentioning the EDL ... I don't support em and I don't think Dave does and neither does respected reporter and best selling author Tommy Robinson . He was co-founder member and leader of EDL until five years ago. *-) "was" ... Well done you ... For once you got sumat right and he has zilch to do with em now and why ??? His association has always been with far right extremism and chanting "EDL till i die" hardly gives credibility that he has "zilch all to do with them". Rebel Media, EDL, BF, Pegida etc...they all pee in the same pot. How does someone "look guilty" That's what i'm waiting to see what Pelmets answer is to the question Veronica put to him as i'm quite interested to know. He seems to have run off now though. ..and did Tommy get the 13 months you said he didn't ? No, afaik he's still in police custody. BH weekend so i guess you will have to wait until tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 2:15 PM Yes indeed Dave, as the article on The Continental Telegraph website indicates we have to wait and see whether Robinson's arrest and incarceration was unlawful and/or whether the Judge's order restricting press reporting failed to accord the appropriate weight to the principle of open justice. It is an order that can be challenged in the courts right now . Those that don't challenge it in such a way are not in the best position to make their own judgement on it because they don't have the full facts and just like you and I can only speculate. Looks to me that Robinson was arrested for exposing that the trial was being carried out in "secret", not for predudicing it ;-) .......... As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk, it makes me wonder whether these delightful chaps were also involved in a bit of terrorism? :-| .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:09 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? Given the lack of remorse shown so far by those Asian grooming gangs found guilty of child rape............. I'm quite happy that my presumption will prove accurate :-| ............. So it's guilty in your opinion no matter what? No due process, no presumption of innocence? Hhmmm. I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:15 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-28 2:43 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 2:39 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-28 2:28 PM Don't know why your mentioning the EDL ... I don't support em and I don't think Dave does and neither does respected reporter and best selling author Tommy Robinson . He was co-founder member and leader of EDL until five years ago. *-) "was" ... Well done you ... For once you got sumat right and he has zilch to do with em now and why ??? His association has always been with far right extremism and chanting "EDL till i die" hardly gives credibility that he has "zilch all to do with them". Rebel Media, EDL, BF, Pegida etc...they all pee in the same pot. How does someone "look guilty" That's what i'm waiting to see what Pelmets answer is to the question Veronica put to him as i'm quite interested to know. He seems to have run off now though. ..and did Tommy get the 13 months you said he didn't ? No, afaik he's still in police custody. BH weekend so i guess you will have to wait until tomorrow. When did he chant EDL till I die ... Before or after he left ??? ... Regarding looking guilty I'm asking ya as part of The Beano Boys and given you've said I think they look guilty then I'd like to know how exactly someone looks guilty ??? Your sure he hasn't got 13 months ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:17 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 2:15 PM Yes indeed Dave, as the article on The Continental Telegraph website indicates we have to wait and see whether Robinson's arrest and incarceration was unlawful and/or whether the Judge's order restricting press reporting failed to accord the appropriate weight to the principle of open justice. It is an order that can be challenged in the courts right now . Those that don't challenge it in such a way are not in the best position to make their own judgement on it because they don't have the full facts and just like you and I can only speculate. Looks to me that Robinson was arrested for exposing that the trial was being carried out in "secret", not for predudicing it ;-) .......... As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk, it makes me wonder whether these delightful chaps were also involved in a bit of terrorism? :-| .......... Why don't you read those CPS links i posted which explains what reporting restrictions means? I know it's a lot of reading but it will do you good and you would benefit from a little knowledge. Many trials are held with reporting restrictions in place and it's nothing to do with being "secret". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:23 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:09 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? Given the lack of remorse shown so far by those Asian grooming gangs found guilty of child rape............. I'm quite happy that my presumption will prove accurate :-| ............. So it's guilty in your opinion no matter what? No due process, no presumption of innocence? Hhmmm. I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? Must admit I do have a slight problem with Muslims targetting and raping almost exclusively white underage girls by the thousand ... Suppose in your book I'll be the racist for having that problem.though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:23 PM I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? That's rich coming from someone who went into hyperdrive over a few dozen folk who got a free hoilday in the Caribbean........ yet has consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:17 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 2:15 PM Yes indeed Dave, as the article on The Continental Telegraph website indicates we have to wait and see whether Robinson's arrest and incarceration was unlawful and/or whether the Judge's order restricting press reporting failed to accord the appropriate weight to the principle of open justice. It is an order that can be challenged in the courts right now . Those that don't challenge it in such a way are not in the best position to make their own judgement on it because they don't have the full facts and just like you and I can only speculate. Looks to me that Robinson was arrested for exposing that the trial was being carried out in "secret", not for predudicing it ;-) .......... As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk, it makes me wonder whether these delightful chaps were also involved in a bit of terrorism? :-| .......... Sorry Dave "As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk" is a complete misstatement of the law. I've now begun to get re-posts in my Facebook feed from well intentioned people who are equally misguided and who are posting stuff that is so prejudicial that there is a real risk they could stop the trial going ahead. If this trial has to be abandoned Robinson and his supporters who breach the court order deserve more than a few months in jail. >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:23 PM I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? That's rich coming from someone who went into hyperdrive over a few dozen folk who got a free hoilday in the Caribbean........ What on earth are you on about? :-S .....yet has consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children *-) ......... Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-28 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:23 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:09 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? Given the lack of remorse shown so far by those Asian grooming gangs found guilty of child rape............. I'm quite happy that my presumption will prove accurate :-| ............. So it's guilty in your opinion no matter what? No due process, no presumption of innocence? Hhmmm. I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? Must admit I do have a slight problem with Muslims targetting and raping almost exclusively white underage girls by the thousand ... Suppose in your book I'll be the racist for having that problem.though Bullets like that chap in Tommy's utube video, who think its got nothing to do with the public *-) ........... It's funny how they fail to recognise that its because of idiots who think like them, that the Asian grooming gangs have and still are raping "easy white meat" :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. So your not trying to do it now........by attacking Mr Robinson than the perverts he tried to film? ;-) ........ Perhaps you can prove me wrong by posting a link to one of your numerous posts condeming Asian grooming gangs? >:-) ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 3:37 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:17 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 2:15 PM Yes indeed Dave, as the article on The Continental Telegraph website indicates we have to wait and see whether Robinson's arrest and incarceration was unlawful and/or whether the Judge's order restricting press reporting failed to accord the appropriate weight to the principle of open justice. It is an order that can be challenged in the courts right now . Those that don't challenge it in such a way are not in the best position to make their own judgement on it because they don't have the full facts and just like you and I can only speculate. Looks to me that Robinson was arrested for exposing that the trial was being carried out in "secret", not for predudicing it ;-) .......... As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk, it makes me wonder whether these delightful chaps were also involved in a bit of terrorism? :-| .......... Sorry Dave "As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk" is a complete misstatement of the law. I've now begun to get re-posts in my Facebook feed from well intentioned people who are equally misguided and who are posting stuff that is so prejudicial that there is a real risk they could stop the trial going ahead. If this trial has to be abandoned Robinson and his supporters who breach the court order deserve more than a few months in jail. >:-) Exactly. If a mistrial is declared then who are these irresponsible idiots going to blame then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:23 PM I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? That's rich coming from someone who went into hyperdrive over a few dozen folk who got a free hoilday in the Caribbean........ What on earth are you on about? :-S .....yet has consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children *-) ......... Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. Aye Ups ere we go ... The fella that claims i'd like to see a Muslim school massacre and all the murder , blood and slaughtet that goes with that now can't take a little payback ... Glass houses ... Stones ... Lordy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:41 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-28 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:23 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:09 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 1:30 PM We don’t even know what stage of the proceedings has been reached, apart from the fact that there has been no guilty verdict, yet you refer to one of the defendant’s "lack of remorse". Is it just people alleged to be part of grooming gangs that you in your wisdom believe are not worthy of the same presumption of innocence that apply to all accused persons until proved otherwise? Given the lack of remorse shown so far by those Asian grooming gangs found guilty of child rape............. I'm quite happy that my presumption will prove accurate :-| ............. So it's guilty in your opinion no matter what? No due process, no presumption of innocence? Hhmmm. I notice both you and Antony have a long running obsession with the ethnicity of any involved in sex crimes which leads me to wonder if it's more that you're primarily concerned with than the crime itself? Must admit I do have a slight problem with Muslims targetting and raping almost exclusively white underage girls by the thousand ... Suppose in your book I'll be the racist for having that problem.though Bullets like that chap in Tommy's utube video, who think its got nothing to do with the public *-) ........... It's funny how they fail to recognise that its because of idiots who think like them, that the Asian grooming gangs have and still are raping "easy white meat" :-| ......... We simply don't have a Muslim sex gangs problem in this country in the eyes of Bullet ... Mind given he never leaves his house I suppose he doesn't have to open em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:44 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. So your not trying to do it now........by attacking Mr Robinson than the perverts he tried to film? ;-) ........ Why are you avoiding addressing what i asked? I've asked you politely....either post up the comments where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". or withdraw your allegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:49 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:44 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. So your not trying to do it now........by attacking Mr Robinson than the perverts he tried to film? ;-) ........ Why are you avoiding addressing what i asked? I've asked you politely....either post up the comments where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". or withdraw your allegation. The forums biggest stone thrower ... Name caller ... Thrower of insults don't like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 3:37 PM Sorry Dave "As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk" is a complete misstatement of the law. Really?............What other reason can there be to prevent the public from seeing the justice process from being carried out?.......... Perhaps its the new process for all future Asian grooming gang trials ? :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:49 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:44 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. So your not trying to do it now........by attacking Mr Robinson than the perverts he tried to film? ;-) ........ Why are you avoiding addressing what i asked? I've asked you politely....either post up the comments where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". or withdraw your allegation. Prove me wrong Bullet >:-) ......... With a link to one of your posts condeming Asian grooming gangs, just one will do ;-) ........... Then I'll withdraw my allegation :-| .......... BTW here's an explanation of the word........Consistently.... adverb 1. in every case or on every occasion; invariably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:56 PM Violet1956 - 2018-05-28 3:37 PM Sorry Dave "As trials are only held in secret when national security is at risk" is a complete misstatement of the law. Really?............What other reason can there be to prevent the public from seeing the justice process from being carried out?.......... Perhaps its the new process for all future Asian grooming gang trials ? :-| ......... Here is a link I found which explains the law and practice in relation to the principle of open justice and in what circumstances it is lawful for a court to depart from the general principle that proceedings should take place in public. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/reporting-restrictions-guide-may-2016-2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:59 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:49 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:44 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. So your not trying to do it now........by attacking Mr Robinson than the perverts he tried to film? ;-) ........ Why are you avoiding addressing what i asked? I've asked you politely....either post up the comments where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". or withdraw your allegation. Prove me wrong Bullet >:-) ......... This is what presumption of innocence until guilt is proven is all about and as you made the allegation it's now up to you to substantiate it.....not me. Your alternative is withdrawing the comment through lack of evidence ....of which there is none, is there? So i strongly suggest you swiftly withdraw the allegation and have done with. I don't think you realise the seriousness of what you alleged at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 4:15 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:59 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:49 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-28 3:44 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-28 3:40 PM Please post up comments to show where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". That's an extremely serious allegation to make so either substantiate it or withdraw that comment. I've warned you about this before. So your not trying to do it now........by attacking Mr Robinson than the perverts he tried to film? ;-) ........ Why are you avoiding addressing what i asked? I've asked you politely....either post up the comments where i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children". or withdraw your allegation. Prove me wrong Bullet >:-) ......... This is what presumption of innocence until guilt is proven is all about and as you made the allegation it's now up to you to substantiate it.....not me. Your alternative is withdrawing the comment through lack of evidence ....of which there is none, is there? So i strongly suggest you swiftly withdraw the allegation and have done with. I don't think you realise the seriousness of what you alleged at all. Get over yerself Bullet *-) ......... This is a forum not a court of law, so prove me wrong? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-28 4:21 PM Get over yerself Bullet *-) ......... This is a forum not a court of law, so prove me wrong? >:-) .......... No i will not 'get over myself' at all Dave. You made an allegation that i've "consistently tried to play down the rape of 1000's of children" which was not only wrongful but extremely dangerous. I'm not entering into any bartering with you either. You seem to think it funny. I don't. You've done this once too often and you knew it was wrong so please withdraw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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