Bulletguy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 747 - 2019-01-21 7:51 PM I'm sorry Mr Bullet but you are wrong. Muslims do not recognise any other Religion as legitimate.If you are not a Muslim then you are an 'unbeliever', the Arabic word is a 'kaffir'. If you'd bothered to read back a little you would see my point relates to citizenship......which is not determined by anyones religion (if any). If, as you say, you'd "worked for a number of years in Muslim countries" then you should know what's indicated alongside "nationality"......and it sure as hell will not state "Muslim". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 4:18 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 10:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-20 10:23 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 3:35 PM To understand the definition of multiculturalism you have to acknowledge all cultural or racial groups have equality in society and that means every ethnic minority as well as the indigenous race. You don't, hence your claim to "like being British" is insincere and false and railing against one specific ethnicity committing crime whilst completely ignoring the same committed by people from the indigenous populace shows your hatred and unwillingness to accept our multicultural society in Britain. Regards criminal offences, we have a judicial system in this country which for the most part works pretty well in ensuring due process for everyone irrespective of race, ethnicity, faith or whatever else. That means when someone is arrested that doesn't make them guilty of the alleged offence. We have Law Courts to determine guilt or innocence only after anyone has been charged....not before. That's the way our justice system works and will continue to do so whether you like it or not. No crimes should be 'covered up' irrespective of the nature of the offence as that in itself is an offence. We've had some long running examples such as Hillsborough and more currently the ongoing inquiry into Grenfell which has yet to see any prosecutions. It might work pretty well for you :-| ..........But as far as I'm concerned its a joke *-) ......... Even the criminals treat as a joke >:-) ........ So you'll be wanting to see prosecutions of those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of kids? ;-) ............ I've explained very clearly in my post though i noted you edited out what you wanted to ignore, so if you refuse to accept what to most of us is basic factual knowledge concerning our judicial procedure, that's your own problem you'll have to deal with, not mine. I'm loathe to have to repeat but it would help you once you manage to refrain from demonising one particular ethnicity over similar offences committed by the indigenous populace you persistently ignore due to your overt racism and xenophobia. Similar offences?...........Remind me how many "British" child grooming gangs have been prosecuted compared to your 5% chums? >:-) .......... Fancy a bet As far as i'm aware all or most are British citizens....unless you have information to show they are not? Really?...........I haven't been able to find that info so perhaps you can provide a link? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-21 9:34 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 4:18 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 10:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-20 10:23 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 3:35 PM To understand the definition of multiculturalism you have to acknowledge all cultural or racial groups have equality in society and that means every ethnic minority as well as the indigenous race. You don't, hence your claim to "like being British" is insincere and false and railing against one specific ethnicity committing crime whilst completely ignoring the same committed by people from the indigenous populace shows your hatred and unwillingness to accept our multicultural society in Britain. Regards criminal offences, we have a judicial system in this country which for the most part works pretty well in ensuring due process for everyone irrespective of race, ethnicity, faith or whatever else. That means when someone is arrested that doesn't make them guilty of the alleged offence. We have Law Courts to determine guilt or innocence only after anyone has been charged....not before. That's the way our justice system works and will continue to do so whether you like it or not. No crimes should be 'covered up' irrespective of the nature of the offence as that in itself is an offence. We've had some long running examples such as Hillsborough and more currently the ongoing inquiry into Grenfell which has yet to see any prosecutions. It might work pretty well for you :-| ..........But as far as I'm concerned its a joke *-) ......... Even the criminals treat as a joke >:-) ........ So you'll be wanting to see prosecutions of those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of kids? ;-) ............ I've explained very clearly in my post though i noted you edited out what you wanted to ignore, so if you refuse to accept what to most of us is basic factual knowledge concerning our judicial procedure, that's your own problem you'll have to deal with, not mine. I'm loathe to have to repeat but it would help you once you manage to refrain from demonising one particular ethnicity over similar offences committed by the indigenous populace you persistently ignore due to your overt racism and xenophobia. Similar offences?...........Remind me how many "British" child grooming gangs have been prosecuted compared to your 5% chums? >:-) .......... Fancy a bet As far as i'm aware all or most are British citizens....unless you have information to show they are not? Really?...........I haven't been able to find that info Nazir Afzal; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 9:34 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 4:18 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 10:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-20 10:23 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 3:35 PM To understand the definition of multiculturalism you have to acknowledge all cultural or racial groups have equality in society and that means every ethnic minority as well as the indigenous race. You don't, hence your claim to "like being British" is insincere and false and railing against one specific ethnicity committing crime whilst completely ignoring the same committed by people from the indigenous populace shows your hatred and unwillingness to accept our multicultural society in Britain. Regards criminal offences, we have a judicial system in this country which for the most part works pretty well in ensuring due process for everyone irrespective of race, ethnicity, faith or whatever else. That means when someone is arrested that doesn't make them guilty of the alleged offence. We have Law Courts to determine guilt or innocence only after anyone has been charged....not before. That's the way our justice system works and will continue to do so whether you like it or not. No crimes should be 'covered up' irrespective of the nature of the offence as that in itself is an offence. We've had some long running examples such as Hillsborough and more currently the ongoing inquiry into Grenfell which has yet to see any prosecutions. It might work pretty well for you :-| ..........But as far as I'm concerned its a joke *-) ......... Even the criminals treat as a joke >:-) ........ So you'll be wanting to see prosecutions of those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of kids? ;-) ............ I've explained very clearly in my post though i noted you edited out what you wanted to ignore, so if you refuse to accept what to most of us is basic factual knowledge concerning our judicial procedure, that's your own problem you'll have to deal with, not mine. I'm loathe to have to repeat but it would help you once you manage to refrain from demonising one particular ethnicity over similar offences committed by the indigenous populace you persistently ignore due to your overt racism and xenophobia. Similar offences?...........Remind me how many "British" child grooming gangs have been prosecuted compared to your 5% chums? >:-) .......... Fancy a bet As far as i'm aware all or most are British citizens....unless you have information to show they are not? Really?...........I haven't been able to find that info Nazir Afzal; "Nazir Afzal: Asians and Pakistanis are disproportionately involved in street grooming" I'm glad you agree ;-) ............ Although I'm not sure what a 2015 Channel 4 interview has to do with the ethnicity of the 55 that were charged last week? :-S .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 8:42 PM 747 - 2019-01-21 7:51 PM I'm sorry Mr Bullet but you are wrong. Muslims do not recognise any other Religion as legitimate.If you are not a Muslim then you are an 'unbeliever', the Arabic word is a 'kaffir'. If you'd bothered to read back a little you would see my point relates to citizenship......which is not determined by anyones religion (if any). If, as you say, you'd "worked for a number of years in Muslim countries" then you should know what's indicated alongside "nationality"......and it sure as hell will not state "Muslim". The point I was making that a Muslim will put his religion first, before any National allegiance, especially in a Christian country. We are unbelievers and of no consequence in the scheme of things (their things). That is probably why many more British Muslims have gone abroad to join in the various Jihads than have served in the UK Armed Forces over the same period. Nationality only relates to where you were born or where you settled, not who you are faithful to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-21 10:29 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 9:34 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 4:18 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 10:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-20 10:23 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 3:35 PM To understand the definition of multiculturalism you have to acknowledge all cultural or racial groups have equality in society and that means every ethnic minority as well as the indigenous race. You don't, hence your claim to "like being British" is insincere and false and railing against one specific ethnicity committing crime whilst completely ignoring the same committed by people from the indigenous populace shows your hatred and unwillingness to accept our multicultural society in Britain. Regards criminal offences, we have a judicial system in this country which for the most part works pretty well in ensuring due process for everyone irrespective of race, ethnicity, faith or whatever else. That means when someone is arrested that doesn't make them guilty of the alleged offence. We have Law Courts to determine guilt or innocence only after anyone has been charged....not before. That's the way our justice system works and will continue to do so whether you like it or not. No crimes should be 'covered up' irrespective of the nature of the offence as that in itself is an offence. We've had some long running examples such as Hillsborough and more currently the ongoing inquiry into Grenfell which has yet to see any prosecutions. It might work pretty well for you :-| ..........But as far as I'm concerned its a joke *-) ......... Even the criminals treat as a joke >:-) ........ So you'll be wanting to see prosecutions of those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of kids? ;-) ............ I've explained very clearly in my post though i noted you edited out what you wanted to ignore, so if you refuse to accept what to most of us is basic factual knowledge concerning our judicial procedure, that's your own problem you'll have to deal with, not mine. I'm loathe to have to repeat but it would help you once you manage to refrain from demonising one particular ethnicity over similar offences committed by the indigenous populace you persistently ignore due to your overt racism and xenophobia. Similar offences?...........Remind me how many "British" child grooming gangs have been prosecuted compared to your 5% chums? >:-) .......... Fancy a bet As far as i'm aware all or most are British citizens....unless you have information to show they are not? Really?...........I haven't been able to find that info Nazir Afzal; "Nazir Afzal: Asians and Pakistanis are disproportionately involved in street grooming" I'm glad you agree ;-) ............ Consistently referred to here on the Rotherham case as "predominantly British-Pakistani men" which means citizens of UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal You've persisted in deflecting away from why you refuse to acknowledge any sex crimes committed by this countries indigenous populace which i asked you a number of times before. Why is that? I'd appreciate an answer please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 747 - 2019-01-21 10:56 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 8:42 PM 747 - 2019-01-21 7:51 PM I'm sorry Mr Bullet but you are wrong. Muslims do not recognise any other Religion as legitimate.If you are not a Muslim then you are an 'unbeliever', the Arabic word is a 'kaffir'. If you'd bothered to read back a little you would see my point relates to citizenship......which is not determined by anyones religion (if any). If, as you say, you'd "worked for a number of years in Muslim countries" then you should know what's indicated alongside "nationality"......and it sure as hell will not state "Muslim". The point I was making that a Muslim will put his religion first, before any National allegiance...... So would a Zionist yet i never hear anyone bemoaning that. I wonder why? Nationality only relates to where you were born or where you settled, not who you are faithful to. What i've said all along but the usual suspects can't get their heads around the fact there are British Asians and British Pakistanis etc in UK. It won't say "Muslim" in their passport or on any id card, it will state British. Fwiw this hasn't been about any particular faith at all, simply the defining of nationality, but typically they have to shoehorn their Muslim agenda in because both are rabid Islamophobes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Its quite simple Muslim first anything else comes a poor second ... Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 11:10 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 10:29 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 9:34 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 4:18 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 10:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-20 10:23 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 3:35 PM To understand the definition of multiculturalism you have to acknowledge all cultural or racial groups have equality in society and that means every ethnic minority as well as the indigenous race. You don't, hence your claim to "like being British" is insincere and false and railing against one specific ethnicity committing crime whilst completely ignoring the same committed by people from the indigenous populace shows your hatred and unwillingness to accept our multicultural society in Britain. Regards criminal offences, we have a judicial system in this country which for the most part works pretty well in ensuring due process for everyone irrespective of race, ethnicity, faith or whatever else. That means when someone is arrested that doesn't make them guilty of the alleged offence. We have Law Courts to determine guilt or innocence only after anyone has been charged....not before. That's the way our justice system works and will continue to do so whether you like it or not. No crimes should be 'covered up' irrespective of the nature of the offence as that in itself is an offence. We've had some long running examples such as Hillsborough and more currently the ongoing inquiry into Grenfell which has yet to see any prosecutions. It might work pretty well for you :-| ..........But as far as I'm concerned its a joke *-) ......... Even the criminals treat as a joke >:-) ........ So you'll be wanting to see prosecutions of those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of kids? ;-) ............ I've explained very clearly in my post though i noted you edited out what you wanted to ignore, so if you refuse to accept what to most of us is basic factual knowledge concerning our judicial procedure, that's your own problem you'll have to deal with, not mine. I'm loathe to have to repeat but it would help you once you manage to refrain from demonising one particular ethnicity over similar offences committed by the indigenous populace you persistently ignore due to your overt racism and xenophobia. Similar offences?...........Remind me how many "British" child grooming gangs have been prosecuted compared to your 5% chums? >:-) .......... Fancy a bet As far as i'm aware all or most are British citizens....unless you have information to show they are not? Really?...........I haven't been able to find that info Nazir Afzal; "Nazir Afzal: Asians and Pakistanis are disproportionately involved in street grooming" I'm glad you agree ;-) ............ Consistently referred to here on the Rotherham case as "predominantly British-Pakistani men" which means citizens of UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal You've persisted in deflecting away from why you refuse to acknowledge any sex crimes committed by this countries indigenous populace which i asked you a number of times before. Why is that? I'd appreciate an answer please. I've never denied the UK will give citizenship to anyone :-| ............ Fortunately they've started stripping the low life of their British citizenship, and I hope that they will be deported as promised by our government >:-) ........ Perhaps in future for clarity and accuracy we should use the term ......."Asian/Pakistani heritage" when discussing the crimes carried out by grooming gangs? ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-22 8:26 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 11:10 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 10:29 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 10:21 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 9:34 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-21 4:18 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-21 8:35 AM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 10:50 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-20 10:23 PM Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 3:35 PM To understand the definition of multiculturalism you have to acknowledge all cultural or racial groups have equality in society and that means every ethnic minority as well as the indigenous race. You don't, hence your claim to "like being British" is insincere and false and railing against one specific ethnicity committing crime whilst completely ignoring the same committed by people from the indigenous populace shows your hatred and unwillingness to accept our multicultural society in Britain. Regards criminal offences, we have a judicial system in this country which for the most part works pretty well in ensuring due process for everyone irrespective of race, ethnicity, faith or whatever else. That means when someone is arrested that doesn't make them guilty of the alleged offence. We have Law Courts to determine guilt or innocence only after anyone has been charged....not before. That's the way our justice system works and will continue to do so whether you like it or not. No crimes should be 'covered up' irrespective of the nature of the offence as that in itself is an offence. We've had some long running examples such as Hillsborough and more currently the ongoing inquiry into Grenfell which has yet to see any prosecutions. It might work pretty well for you :-| ..........But as far as I'm concerned its a joke *-) ......... Even the criminals treat as a joke >:-) ........ So you'll be wanting to see prosecutions of those who turned a blind eye to the grooming of kids? ;-) ............ I've explained very clearly in my post though i noted you edited out what you wanted to ignore, so if you refuse to accept what to most of us is basic factual knowledge concerning our judicial procedure, that's your own problem you'll have to deal with, not mine. I'm loathe to have to repeat but it would help you once you manage to refrain from demonising one particular ethnicity over similar offences committed by the indigenous populace you persistently ignore due to your overt racism and xenophobia. Similar offences?...........Remind me how many "British" child grooming gangs have been prosecuted compared to your 5% chums? >:-) .......... Fancy a bet As far as i'm aware all or most are British citizens....unless you have information to show they are not? Really?...........I haven't been able to find that info Nazir Afzal; "Nazir Afzal: Asians and Pakistanis are disproportionately involved in street grooming" I'm glad you agree ;-) ............ Consistently referred to here on the Rotherham case as "predominantly British-Pakistani men" which means citizens of UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal You've persisted in deflecting away from why you refuse to acknowledge any sex crimes committed by this countries indigenous populace which i asked you a number of times before. Why is that? I'd appreciate an answer please. I've never denied the UK will give citizenship to anyone :-| ............ Fortunately they've started stripping the low life of their British citizenship, and I hope that they will be deported as promised by our government >:-) ........ Perhaps in future for clarity and accuracy we should use the term ......."Asian/Pakistani heritage" when discussing the crimes carried out by grooming gangs? ;-) .......... Yet again you've deflected from answering the question i've repeatedly asked you. Do you even understand what indigenous populace means? Some commit sex offences yet you continually refuse to acknowledge this fact despite the many well documented criminal case reports. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.