jumpstart Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Free dental checks from Labour now,at £450 mil a year. Liberals say they would plant 60 million trees a year........that’s 164,000 a day. What! It’ll be free air next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-16 6:54 PM Free dental checks from Labour now,at £450 mil a year. Liberals say they would plant 60 million trees a year........that’s 164,000 a day. What! It’ll be free air next. Peanut money and far more sense than squandering over £100 billion on a silly train to shave a few minutes off a journey....until leaves fall in Autumn. The only "free" dental treatment at the moment is NHS dentists which isn't actually free at all. If you can get on an NHS dentist list (very difficult) you have to have regular checks for which you pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-16 6:54 PM Free dental checks from Labour now,at £450 mil a year. Liberals say they would plant 60 million trees a year........that’s 164,000 a day. What! It’ll be free air next. Stand by for another party to outbid them with 60,000,001 ! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 malc d - 2019-11-16 8:48 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 6:54 PM Free dental checks from Labour now,at £450 mil a year. Liberals say they would plant 60 million trees a year........that’s 164,000 a day. What! It’ll be free air next. Stand by for another party to outbid them with 60,000,001 ! ;-) No trains will be running cos there’ll be too many leaves on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Worth remembering that buffoon spaffed £100 million of taxpayers money telling the nation to "get ready for October 31st", billboards, tv adverts, even bloody motorway signs FFS! He said he'd "die in a ditch" if it didn't happen so now he's back to parroting "get brexit done" "get brexit done" "get brexit done" on tv appearances. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-preparation-boris-johnson-100m-ad-campaign-teachers-climate-change-a9129171.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? Perhaps your priorities are wrong ... You prolly have room for a homeless person at your home , defo in your motorhome so stop being a hypocrite like the others on here ... Put up or shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. Stop all aid other than to those Christians persecuted by Muslims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-17 7:01 AM jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. Stop all aid other than to those Christians persecuted by Muslims Do you realise BoJo has proposed to increase the 'Foreign Aid' budget? Or have you got a blind spot where BoJo is concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 John52 - 2019-11-17 7:09 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-17 7:01 AM jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. Stop all aid other than to those Christians persecuted by Muslims Do you realise BoJo has proposed to increase the 'Foreign Aid' budget? Or have you got a blind spot where BoJo is concerned? Do you realise this came from your Bible ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/10/boris-johnson-backs-call-for-multibillion-cut-to-uk-aid-budget ... Regards ... By the way I dont really care for Boris , he was never the leader I wanted but as long as he gets Brexit done and becomes POTUS Trump puppet he'll do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Birdbrain - 2019-11-17 7:54 AM John52 - 2019-11-17 7:09 AM Birdbrain - 2019-11-17 7:01 AM jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. Stop all aid other than to those Christians persecuted by Muslims Do you realise BoJo has proposed to increase the 'Foreign Aid' budget? Or have you got a blind spot where BoJo is concerned? Do you realise this came from your Bible ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/10/boris-johnson-backs-call-for-multibillion-cut-to-uk-aid-budget ... Regards ... By the way I dont really care for Boris , he was never the leader I wanted but as long as he gets Brexit done and becomes POTUS Trump puppet he'll do That was last February *-) and I have lost count of BoJo's U turns since then. It was even before he became PM and got a taste for strutting his stuff on the world stage being treated like royalty abroad by giving away our money: https://www.edie.net/news/9/Boris-Johnson-unveils--1bn-climate-aid-fund-at-UN-Summit/ like he did in London with the likes of Jennifer Arcuri: Among the allegations being investigated by the IOPC are questions over a payment of £126,000 of public money to Arcuri’s businesses and why she was on three overseas trade missions with Johnson, despite not qualifying as a delegate. Last weekend the Observer revealed that an IOPC announcement on whether there should be a criminal investigation had been postponed until after the general election, prompting claims that the ruling had been suppressed to prevent Johnson being damaged during the campaign https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/17/arcuri-says-johnson-cast-her-aside-like-one-night-stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Labour promises 6k pay rise to min wage workers. Oh please! They’ll be paying us to vote next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Number of NHS malnutrition cases: 2009: 2,893 2019: 8,537 Number of foodbank parcels given: 2009: 40,000 2019: 1,600,000 Something is horribly wrong when this happens in the 5th richest country on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-11-17 10:33 AM Number of NHS malnutrition cases: 2009: 2,893 2019: 8,537 Number of foodbank parcels given: 2009: 40,000 2019: 1,600,000 Something is horribly wrong when this happens in the 5th richest country on Earth. OR it proves that we are not the 5th richest country in the world ? ( If we are - where is all this money ? ) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-11-17 10:33 AM Number of NHS malnutrition cases: 2009: 2,893 2019: 8,537 Number of foodbank parcels given: 2009: 40,000 2019: 1,600,000 Something is horribly wrong when this happens in the 5th richest country on Earth. Those are shocking statistics. What is even more shocking is it seems if you can believe the polls people are willing to vote for more of that. Unless your one of the super rich, backing the Tories and Brexit now is just sheer madness. A massive act of self harm. Dont risk adding yourself or your family to those statistics, dont vote Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Ok,so vote for who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-17 11:43 AM Ok, so vote for who? Not too hard, is it? Labour out on grounds of fiscal flatulence, Tories out on grounds of factual flatulence, so who, of the remaining parties, has some experience of government, and might just be capable of gathering a sufficient number of seats? Only one contender, isn't there? They come with the bonus that they would revoke Article 50, and are in favour of a further referendum on EU membership after all possible deals have been properly evaluated. That won't appeal to those who want Brexit at any price, but they are already a lost cause. To anyone else, however, the prospect of a return to something like normality while some grown ups go properly over the pros and cons of EU membership, and then return the outcome of that exercise to the population as a whole, with the pros and cons of remaining, and of the various leave options, including no deal, all clearly explained and open for choice, seems the most sensible way to obtain the agreement of enough of the electorate to get a clear (though almost certainly not unanimous) verdict. What I think is missing at present is that no-one knows why the people who voted leave really voted as they did. Everyone has a theory, but no-one has actually asked, and published the results, so everyone is guessing - or just making up reasons that chime with their own political agendas. If we knew, as a matter of fact, why people voted as they did, it would be possible to sort out and explain the misunderstandings, and to take the remaining issues back to the other 27 to demonstrate to them what caused people in the UK to vote to leave, and invite them to make improvements in those areas. It seems very unlikely to me that people in the UK are unique in having concerns about aspects of the EU, and very likely that many across the other 27 countries will share their misgivings. That at least stands a chance of getting changes to make everyone happier with the EU, which would surely be a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. It's coupled to a countries GNI J/start so to do that we'd need to stop making stuff. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 malc d - 2019-11-17 10:45 AM - where is all this money ? ;-) Duke of Westminster inheriting £10billion etc Its in the hands of a very small minority who are quietly backing the Tories to keep it that way, and running a smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn - which the Mad Hatter soaks up like a sponge . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-11-17 1:17 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. It's coupled to a countries GNI J/start so to do that we'd need to stop making stuff. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ We only need to change the law. It’s up to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-11-17 1:54 PM Bulletguy - 2019-11-17 1:17 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-17 6:52 AM Fast Pat - 2019-11-16 11:43 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-16 9:19 PM Barryd999 - 2019-11-16 8:47 PM Why is everyone so upset about Labour proposing to give us all stuff for free? The Tories have knackered the economy and are spaffing money on Brexit like its gone out of fashion but Comrade Jezza is gonna hook us all up to free fibre broadband and fix our teeth for feck all. Whats not to like? Maybe we are a country of masochists and would rather we just allowed the Tories to give all the money to their rich palls while everyone who voted for them just gets poorer and more miserable. If the next thing is free booze and cheese that will do it for me. Come on Jezza!! Aldi Scotch vouchers for all! Who the hell do you think is actually paying for it? Ok so Labour won’t have a majority but it’s all nuts. Who do you think paid for the £53million for the garden bridge, the £103 million to the ferry company with no ferries, the £100million on adverts to say we were leaving on the 31st October, the £1000 million to the DUP, The £6.3 billion spent on Brexit so far? And all that time "there is no magic money tree". We are a rich country, why have we got people living on the street, hospitals with people sleeping in corridors, the lowest state pension and the highest retirement age......etc etc Perhaps our priorities are all wrong? They can start by halving the Foreign aid budget. It's coupled to a countries GNI J/start so to do that we'd need to stop making stuff. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/ We only need to change the law. It’s up to us. Actually its up to the politicians who are addicted to being treated like Royalty abroad when they are giving our money away. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-11-17 12:44 PM jumpstart - 2019-11-17 11:43 AM Ok, so vote for who? Not too hard, is it? Labour out on grounds of fiscal flatulence, Tories out on grounds of factual flatulence, so who, of the remaining parties, has some experience of government, and might just be capable of gathering a sufficient number of seats? Only one contender, isn't there? They come with the bonus that they would revoke Article 50, and are in favour of a further referendum on EU membership after all possible deals have been properly evaluated. That won't appeal to those who want Brexit at any price, but they are already a lost cause. To anyone else, however, the prospect of a return to something like normality while some grown ups go properly over the pros and cons of EU membership, and then return the outcome of that exercise to the population as a whole, with the pros and cons of remaining, and of the various leave options, including no deal, all clearly explained and open for choice, seems the most sensible way to obtain the agreement of enough of the electorate to get a clear (though almost certainly not unanimous) verdict. What I think is missing at present is that no-one knows why the people who voted leave really voted as they did. Everyone has a theory, but no-one has actually asked, and published the results, so everyone is guessing - or just making up reasons that chime with their own political agendas. If we knew, as a matter of fact, why people voted as they did, it would be possible to sort out and explain the misunderstandings, and to take the remaining issues back to the other 27 to demonstrate to them what caused people in the UK to vote to leave, and invite them to make improvements in those areas. It seems very unlikely to me that people in the UK are unique in having concerns about aspects of the EU, and very likely that many across the other 27 countries will share their misgivings. That at least stands a chance of getting changes to make everyone happier with the EU, which would surely be a good thing? For once I dont totally agree Brian. I think if we are to stand any chance of stopping the Tories people have to vote tactically. Basically vote for the none Tory party that stands the best chance of beating the Tories. I would prefer to see the LibDems in power but that isnt going to happen and where I am only 2% of people voted for them in 2017 and the Labour MP (Who I know well and is very good) won only by a few hundred seats with the Tories a very close second. I have to back Labour, I simply have no other choice. If people want to stop the Tories they are going to have to do the same and look at which party has the best chance of beating them locally. It just doesnt matter who it is, vote for them. Nothing, not even a Labour government will be as catastrophic for this country than a Tory led Brexit, nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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