Barryd999 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? Its got everything to do with Tory/Cummings bashing ... Stop being a silly boy ... You'd get more respect if you just owned up to it rather than pretending you are concerned for others ... Its stomach churning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-11 6:27 PM....................Its got everything to do with Tory/Cummings bashing ... Stop being a silly boy ... You'd get more respect if you just owned up to it rather than pretending you are concerned for others ... Its stomach churning No it hasn't. It has to do with poor government performance. I'm interested in government competence, not which party is in office. Under the same circumstances I would be making the same criticisms of any government of any stripe that was making such a fist of events. Johnson's saving grace is that he is inexperienced and had selected an inexperienced cabinet, and that his predecessors allowed the essential reserves to be run down leaving him bereft of ammo when he needed it. His inexperience shows in his choice of a "one note" cabinet, but having been so comprehensively dropped in it, any government would have struggled. However, being slow off the mark is his own error. Where criticism is due, it should be made. These are not children, they are adults who have pushed for their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 6:50 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-11 6:27 PM....................Its got everything to do with Tory/Cummings bashing ... Stop being a silly boy ... You'd get more respect if you just owned up to it rather than pretending you are concerned for others ... Its stomach churning No it hasn't. It has to do with poor government performance. I'm interested in government competence, not which party is in office. Under the same circumstances I would be making the same criticisms of any government of any stripe that was making such a fist of events. Johnson's saving grace is that he is inexperienced and had selected an inexperienced cabinet, and that his predecessors allowed the essential reserves to be run down leaving him bereft of ammo when he needed it. His inexperience shows in his choice of a "one note" cabinet, but having been so comprehensively dropped in it, any government would have struggled. However, being slow off the mark is his own error. Where criticism is due, it should be made. These are not children, they are adults who have pushed for their jobs. It seems like only a few months ago you were pushing for in your area for folk to vote for anyone other than a Tory ... Lordy that was only a few months ago wasn't it ??? ... Now we are expected to believe you are not just plain old anti-Tory in your comments ??? ... Be nice if one of the squad just owned up to it rather than pretending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 6:50 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-11 6:27 PM....................Its got everything to do with Tory/Cummings bashing ... Stop being a silly boy ... You'd get more respect if you just owned up to it rather than pretending you are concerned for others ... Its stomach churning No it hasn't. It has to do with poor government performance. I'm interested in government competence, not which party is in office. Under the same circumstances I would be making the same criticisms of any government of any stripe that was making such a fist of events. Johnson's saving grace is that he is inexperienced and had selected an inexperienced cabinet, and that his predecessors allowed the essential reserves to be run down leaving him bereft of ammo when he needed it. His inexperience shows in his choice of a "one note" cabinet, but having been so comprehensively dropped in it, any government would have struggled. However, being slow off the mark is his own error. Where criticism is due, it should be made. These are not children, they are adults who have pushed for their jobs. So what is Spain, Italy, Belgiums etc etc excuse? ;-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-11 6:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Well Italy you can excuse as they were first and made all the mistakes we should have learned from. Remember them screaming at us not to make the same mistakes they did? No of course you dont. Have a look also at a map of Europe and tell me what you see that makes us a bit unique and should have given us a huge advantage. Can you see what it is yet? Ill give you a clue, its wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 10:27 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 6:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Well Italy you can excuse as they were first and made all the mistakes we should have learned from. Remember them screaming at us not to make the same mistakes they did? No of course you dont. Have a look also at a map of Europe and tell me what you see that makes us a bit unique and should have given us a huge advantage. Can you see what it is yet? Ill give you a clue, its wet. Having a ditch makes bog all difference when you still have to adhere to the EU's freedom of movement laws *-) ........... Did your wonderful EU close the borders?..........NO >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-12 9:10 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 10:27 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 6:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Well Italy you can excuse as they were first and made all the mistakes we should have learned from. Remember them screaming at us not to make the same mistakes they did? No of course you dont. Have a look also at a map of Europe and tell me what you see that makes us a bit unique and should have given us a huge advantage. Can you see what it is yet? Ill give you a clue, its wet. Having a ditch makes bog all difference when you still have to adhere to the EU's freedom of movement laws *-) ........... Did your wonderful EU close the borders?..........NO >:-) ....... Yes AT LAST!! ... EU countries follow our lead ... ... Bowt time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-12 9:10 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 10:27 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 6:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Well Italy you can excuse as they were first and made all the mistakes we should have learned from. Remember them screaming at us not to make the same mistakes they did? No of course you dont. Have a look also at a map of Europe and tell me what you see that makes us a bit unique and should have given us a huge advantage. Can you see what it is yet? Ill give you a clue, its wet. Having a ditch makes bog all difference when you still have to adhere to the EU's freedom of movement laws *-) ........... Did your wonderful EU close the borders?..........NO >:-) ....... Absolute tripe. We could have clamped down on our borders. Plenty of countries have closed their borders and tightened up movement within the EU months ago. We only started quarantining people coming in yesterday on flights! There was no testing or anything until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-12 9:10 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 10:27 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 6:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Well Italy you can excuse as they were first and made all the mistakes we should have learned from. Remember them screaming at us not to make the same mistakes they did? No of course you dont. Have a look also at a map of Europe and tell me what you see that makes us a bit unique and should have given us a huge advantage. Can you see what it is yet? Ill give you a clue, its wet. Having a ditch makes bog all difference when you still have to adhere to the EU's freedom of movement laws *-) ........... Did your wonderful EU close the borders?..........NO >:-) ....... Absolute tripe. We could have clamped down on our borders. Plenty of countries have closed their borders and tightened up movement within the EU months ago. We only started quarantining people coming in yesterday on flights! There was no testing or anything until then. So what has the EU done? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-12 9:29 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 9:25 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-12 9:10 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 10:27 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 6:22 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-11 6:19 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 5:50 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 5:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-11 4:47 PM...……………….. Your point is what? ;-) ........... That Australia has managed better than the vast majority of European countries?.........Or just the UK? *-) ......... I reckon we all know the answer to that :-| ........ First, that Australia has managed better on a per-capita basis than almost all European countries - which is good for Australia. Second, that it has also managed better on a per-capita basis than the UK - which is bad for the UK. So, question: why has the UK not managed as well as the best, rather than being among the worst? Selectively comparing our national performance with the performance of other's who have done relatively poorly doesn't alter our relative performance. It merely narrows the field so as to removes the best from consideration. It is foolish, so why do that? It is merely the equivalent of a child standing in the middle of a room, shutting its eyes, and saying "you can't see me"! It appears to me that all the countries in Australasia have had fewer deaths than Europe ;-) ........ I would imagine it has much to do with them being sparsely populated when compared to European countries as management :-| ....... A fact that doesn't appear to register with our Boris Bashers *-) ....... Which is strange considering we are dealing with a virus that obviously thrives in overcrowded cities *-) ...... Their cities where most of them live are not sparsely populated though as I proved to you earlier. Look at Melbourne. They like us are an Island, just a feckin massive one. We lost our edge. We are an island, we had weeks of warnings but we did nothing. We didnt heed the warnings, we didnt close the borders and we did not lock down soon enough. We lost all that wonderful advantage while President cummings was whispering in Johnsons ear about stuff like "take it on the chin". Its nothing to do with Tory bashing. Its what actually happened and now look at us. It could prove to be a winning strategy in the end for the economy of course but at what cost in human lives? So what's Europe's excuse? :-| ........ Why aren't you bashing the EU? *-) ....... Well Italy you can excuse as they were first and made all the mistakes we should have learned from. Remember them screaming at us not to make the same mistakes they did? No of course you dont. Have a look also at a map of Europe and tell me what you see that makes us a bit unique and should have given us a huge advantage. Can you see what it is yet? Ill give you a clue, its wet. Having a ditch makes bog all difference when you still have to adhere to the EU's freedom of movement laws *-) ........... Did your wonderful EU close the borders?..........NO >:-) ....... Absolute tripe. We could have clamped down on our borders. Plenty of countries have closed their borders and tightened up movement within the EU months ago. We only started quarantining people coming in yesterday on flights! There was no testing or anything until then. So what has the EU done? >:-) .......... A fair bit according to the EU. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20200327STO76004/10-things-the-eu-is-doing-to-fight-the-coronavirus Its up to individual countries to make their own rules though and action plans for tackling the virus. The EU is clearly not the authority you think it is. As we can see from the results, it varies wildly. Just a pity that the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM Just a pity that the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Based on those unreliable figures the UK's death rate is actually in 4th place :-| ........... Why are you LOSERS spinning the numbers to make it look worse than it is? *-) ......... As if we didn't know ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Yes I am sure the Tories would love a free reign so they can move on and bury all their mistakes after the event. If this is going to be a repeat of the Spanish Flu then this first wave will be nothing compared to the second one. Probably important while there is a bit of a lull that lessons are learned and perhaps when (or if) it comes back like a hurricane we are better prepared this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 8:54 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Yes I am sure the Tories would love a free reign so they can move on and bury all their mistakes after the event. If this is going to be a repeat of the Spanish Flu then this first wave will be nothing compared to the second one. Probably important while there is a bit of a lull that lessons are learned and perhaps when (or if) it comes back like a hurricane we are better prepared this time. So why spread fake news that the UK death rate is the highest in Europe? :-| ......... Even using the unreliable figures we're actually 4th ;-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-13 9:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 8:54 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Yes I am sure the Tories would love a free reign so they can move on and bury all their mistakes after the event. If this is going to be a repeat of the Spanish Flu then this first wave will be nothing compared to the second one. Probably important while there is a bit of a lull that lessons are learned and perhaps when (or if) it comes back like a hurricane we are better prepared this time. So why spread fake news that the UK death rate is the highest in Europe? :-| ......... Even using the unreliable figures we're actually 4th ;-) .......... Last I heard it was north of 55000. Who is higher than that? Cant say Ive paid much attention but I am sure will put me right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 2:54 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 9:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 8:54 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Yes I am sure the Tories would love a free reign so they can move on and bury all their mistakes after the event. If this is going to be a repeat of the Spanish Flu then this first wave will be nothing compared to the second one. Probably important while there is a bit of a lull that lessons are learned and perhaps when (or if) it comes back like a hurricane we are better prepared this time. So why spread fake news that the UK death rate is the highest in Europe? :-| ......... Even using the unreliable figures we're actually 4th ;-) .......... Last I heard it was north of 55000. Who is higher than that? US. Pelmets gone global now quoting Russia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Did you even read it before dismissing it *-) I'm quoting from the worldwide press - So they are all 'Losers' - does that make you a 'Winner' *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 2:54 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 9:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 8:54 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Yes I am sure the Tories would love a free reign so they can move on and bury all their mistakes after the event. If this is going to be a repeat of the Spanish Flu then this first wave will be nothing compared to the second one. Probably important while there is a bit of a lull that lessons are learned and perhaps when (or if) it comes back like a hurricane we are better prepared this time. So why spread fake news that the UK death rate is the highest in Europe? :-| ......... Even using the unreliable figures we're actually 4th ;-) .......... Last I heard it was north of 55000. Who is higher than that? Cant say Ive paid much attention but I am sure will put me right. Sky says 33.000 ... Your Bible The Guardian says 40.000 ... You say 55.000 plus ... Yuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-11 6:55 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-11 6:50 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-11 6:27 PM....................Its got everything to do with Tory/Cummings bashing ... Stop being a silly boy ... You'd get more respect if you just owned up to it rather than pretending you are concerned for others ... Its stomach churning No it hasn't. It has to do with poor government performance. I'm interested in government competence, not which party is in office. Under the same circumstances I would be making the same criticisms of any government of any stripe that was making such a fist of events. Johnson's saving grace is that he is inexperienced and had selected an inexperienced cabinet, and that his predecessors allowed the essential reserves to be run down leaving him bereft of ammo when he needed it. His inexperience shows in his choice of a "one note" cabinet, but having been so comprehensively dropped in it, any government would have struggled. However, being slow off the mark is his own error. Where criticism is due, it should be made. These are not children, they are adults who have pushed for their jobs. It seems like only a few months ago you were pushing for in your area for folk to vote for anyone other than a Tory ... Lordy that was only a few months ago wasn't it ??? ... Now we are expected to believe you are not just plain old anti-Tory in your comments ??? ... Be nice if one of the squad just owned up to it rather than pretending I did not think Boris, or the present incarnation of the Conservative party, were the best choice for the next UK PM or government in December, because I of their policy on Brexit. I have previously lived with degrees of happiness, but never in ecstasy, under both Conservative and Labour governments, plus one coalition. Some I agreed with, some I didn't, and in some cases I disagreed strongly with some actions of the government of the day while broadly approving most of their actions. I think that is normal. So, on Brexit I disagree strongly with the policy - which I think will prove damaging to the UK. You disagree, but I expect to be proved right. It is also my country, which give me the right to say so. On the pandemic, as is now pretty much a matter of record, the government was slow to react, and has made a number of mis-steps, that have conspired together to leave us in a far greater mess that would otherwise have been the case. So, I say so on here, by way of conversation. Your world will not end as a consequence - yet. :-) Where is the hypocrisy you are so quick to identify? I didn't vote for the present government, because I had low confidence in their abilities. Sadly, I think I'm already being proved right, and I expect that to apply also to Brexit. I did not vote for Corbyn because I thought him an even greater threat. Those who did vote for the present government, and are deliriously happy with their choice are deluded, but must swim in their own midden - but don't expect me to dive in with you if I can possibly avoid it. It's your mess, which I doubt you have the ability to fix, so suck it up! I'm now just waiting for some adults to appear on the scene to clean up. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-13 4:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 2:54 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 9:18 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-13 8:54 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-13 8:30 AM John52 - 2020-05-13 6:13 AM Barryd999 - 2020-05-12 10:18 AM the one country in Europe that had a head start and is separated by 22 miles of sea has the worst death toll. Most of the UK media, including the BBC, is giving BoJo a very easy ride on that. I find the world's press doesn't have the same agenda https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-takes-a-pasting-from-worlds-press-over-coronavirus They muse over how Britain has gone from being a world leader in pandemic management, to an example of how not to do it :-( Dontcha think you should wait until its over before you Losers start gloating and spreading lies, like your mate Bullet with his UK death rate thread? *-) ........... Yes I am sure the Tories would love a free reign so they can move on and bury all their mistakes after the event. If this is going to be a repeat of the Spanish Flu then this first wave will be nothing compared to the second one. Probably important while there is a bit of a lull that lessons are learned and perhaps when (or if) it comes back like a hurricane we are better prepared this time. So why spread fake news that the UK death rate is the highest in Europe? :-| ......... Even using the unreliable figures we're actually 4th ;-) .......... Last I heard it was north of 55000. Who is higher than that? US. Pelmets gone global now quoting Russia! Surely you not still trying to claim the UK has the worst death rate in Europe? ;-) ...... Based on the unreliable figures......the death rate per 100,000 is..... Belgium.......77.4 Spain...........58 Italy..............54.8 UK...............49.9 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea So kindly stop lying *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 It depends on data source. Yesterday the ones provided by Italian cilvil protection mentioned Belgium first UK second (close to Belgium) Spain thrd Italyy fourth Everyone finds and reads what is most convenient for him. In any case it is not a significant figure, just think of Sweden. What matters is perhaps the daily rate of infection. It is not that the United Kingdom is doing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Belgium last time I looked seemed to be counting just about every death as a Covid death even if it wasnt proved! Without looking ill bet that any country that is an island will have done pretty well in comparison to those that are part of a large land mass. That was one of our major advantages really. Well that and we had a huge head start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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