Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Conrad - 2020-05-29 2:35 PM "More Brexit good news?" Did I miss the other good news? Yeah ;-) ........ Dominic Cummings is still in No 10 (lol) (lol) (lol) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-29 4:17 PM 6000 UK jobs secured that we were told would be gone and all the squad can do is bitch ... Jeez Yeah you can tell they are disapointed that folk haven't lost their jobs to prove their scaremongering right 8-)......... Which shows how truly nasty the Loser Brigade are *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 8:52 AM pepe63 - 2020-05-29 1:05 PM Well for starters, Autotrail are owned by Trigano, so they are now French.. (I thought Autosleepers went through a spell when they were own by a foreign "Group"? but I think they are now back as a stand alone company?) The likes of Wildax and Romahome are only low volume producers anyway. Are they not built here? ;-) ......... Is Labour not the biggest part of a Motorhome build cost? :D ....... So a win win for vans built in the UK B-) ....... Are you really sure? As far as I know the market, in the vast majority of cases the walls are already built by external suppliers on customized specs. Ditto the thermoformed toilet boxes. Furnitures comes from who knows where (aka IKEA). Sure, sure, sure that all you need to put together a generic Swift or Elddis is produced in the Kingdom? The necessary manpower is almost always limited to assembly all this stuff. There are those who estimate it in about ten man hours. I am skeptical, I favor twenty. I'm pessimistic, thirty. I exaggerate, forty. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 8:52 AM pepe63 - 2020-05-29 1:05 PM Well for starters, Autotrail are owned by Trigano, so they are now French.. (I thought Autosleepers went through a spell when they were own by a foreign "Group"? but I think they are now back as a stand alone company?) The likes of Wildax and Romahome are only low volume producers anyway. Are they not built here? ;-) ......... Is Labour not the biggest part of a Motorhome build cost? :D ....... So a win win for vans built in the UK B-) ....... Don't be daft. The major cost of any mh build is the base chassis or van type used. Being imported those alone will now cost at least 10% more so Brit mh'ers can look forward to much higher prices. pelmetman - 2020-05-30 8:59 AM Birdbrain - 2020-05-29 4:17 PM 6000 UK jobs secured that we were told would be gone and all the squad can do is bitch ... Jeez Yeah you can tell they are disapointed that folk haven't lost their jobs to prove their scaremongering right 8-)......... Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do. Not sure how many vehicles they expect to export at tariffed prices though and the mh home market is extremely small. Just a pity 7000 Swindon workers and 1,800 at Bridgend have lost theirs which neither you or your boyfriend gave a flying fig about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 mtravel - 2020-05-30 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 8:52 AM pepe63 - 2020-05-29 1:05 PM Well for starters, Autotrail are owned by Trigano, so they are now French.. (I thought Autosleepers went through a spell when they were own by a foreign "Group"? but I think they are now back as a stand alone company?) The likes of Wildax and Romahome are only low volume producers anyway. Are they not built here? ;-) ......... Is Labour not the biggest part of a Motorhome build cost? :D ....... So a win win for vans built in the UK B-) ....... Are you really sure? As far as I know the market, in the vast majority of cases the walls are already built by external suppliers on customized specs. Ditto the thermoformed toilet boxes. Furnitures comes from who knows where (aka IKEA). Sure, sure, sure that all you need to put together a generic Swift or Elddis is produced in the Kingdom? The necessary manpower is almost always limited to assembly all this stuff. There are those who estimate it in about ten man hours. I am skeptical, I favor twenty. I'm pessimistic, thirty. I exaggerate, forty. Max 10 man hours to build a campervan? 8-) ......... If you believe that :D ....... I can see why you don't think your fellow countrymen would vote for Italixit (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It's just as well the real world doesn't give a toss what you Losers think ;-) ....... Or Mr Cummings would be looking for a new job (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Hopefully it'll be a certain female BBC hack seeking new employment >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... ? :D ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:37 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... ? :D ...... Que? :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6000 jobs we were told would be lost are not and what do the squad do ... Squeal like a pig ... Shameful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-30 6:30 PM 6000 jobs we were told would be lost are not and what do the squad do ... Squeal like a pig ... Shameful Yet they cant understand why we dont believe a word they say (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Thick as mince those Losers >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 6:34 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-30 6:30 PM 6000 jobs we were told would be lost are not and what do the squad do ... Squeal like a pig ... Shameful Yet they cant understand why we dont believe a word they say (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Thick as mince those Losers >:-) ....... Those OAL Losers remind me of the now departed FIL ... A life long Labour man , miner , union lover etc etc ... A fella like BeeGee and Barry with an inbuilt hatred of the Tories ... He despised Her Majesty Mrs Thatcher but what was the first thing he did when given the option of buying his council house at massive reduction under Her Majesty ??? ... Yup , bought it ... I hate hypocrisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... For what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-30 6:30 PM 6000 jobs we were told would be lost are not and what do the squad do ... Squeal like a pig ... Shameful Who "told you" and where is the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-30 6:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 6:34 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-30 6:30 PM 6000 jobs we were told would be lost are not and what do the squad do ... Squeal like a pig ... Shameful Yet they cant understand why we dont believe a word they say (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Thick as mince those Losers >:-) ....... Those OAL Losers remind me of the now departed FIL ... A life long Labour man , miner , union lover etc etc ... A fella like BeeGee and Barry with an inbuilt hatred of the Tories ... He despised Her Majesty Mrs Thatcher but what was the first thing he did when given the option of buying his council house at massive reduction under Her Majesty ??? ... Yup , bought it ... I hate hypocrisy That's a Socialist to a "T" ;-) ........ They hate the wealth makers *-) ....... But are the first to stick their snouts in any trough going 8-) ....... Ricky Big Knackers is gonna have a hell of a job prizing those blood suckers out of lockdown :-| ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 6:56 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... For what? The trade unions making Nissan decide to make Blighty their European manufacturing hub? :D ........ Just asking for a Incredulist (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 6:57 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-30 6:30 PM 6000 jobs we were told would be lost are not and what do the squad do ... Squeal like a pig ... Shameful Who "told you" and where is the link? Following your lead we dont do proof princess do we ... Girlfriend why dont you rejoice in the good news rather than stay in your eternal grey doom and gloom ... The grandkids would be proud ... For once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 7:03 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 6:56 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... For what? The trade unions for achieving what the Tory government failed at? :D ........ Sorted that silly typo for you. If you're going to quote what i wrote then at least get it right instead of changing what i wrote. https://unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2020/may/nissan-sunderland-efficiency-savings-must-not-include-attacks-on-jobs-or-tcs/ https://unitelive.org/production-to-stay-at-nissan-sunderland-plant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 7:18 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 7:03 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 6:56 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 4:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 3:55 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 3:42 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-30 2:48 PM Not at all. In fact i'm happy for Sunderland workers whose jobs were under threat and you should be congratulating the Trade Unions for doing what your government were unable to do.. Grudging acceptance and spin *-) ........ It seems to me the 'grudging acceptance' is coming from you realising it took a Trades Union to achieve what your Tory government failed at. Unlike you i never voted to put thousands of people out of work then gloat about it because it didn't affect me. Citation? >:-) .......... For what? The trade unions for achieving what the Tory government failed at? :D ........ Sorted that silly typo for you. If you're going to quote what i wrote then at least get it right instead of changing what i wrote. https://unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2020/may/nissan-sunderland-efficiency-savings-must-not-include-attacks-on-jobs-or-tcs/ https://unitelive.org/production-to-stay-at-nissan-sunderland-plant/ What deluded suckers you are *-) ....... So are you saying our unions are better than Spanish unions? ;-) ....... Or did Nissan just make up their own mind where they were more likely to make money? :D ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rael Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-29 10:35 AM mtravel - 2020-05-29 9:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-28 5:25 PM mtravel - 2020-05-28 3:47 PM Just an example. Lancia left the British market many years ago because it made no sense to produce right-side-drive cars for such a small volume of business. Maybe others will. You can obviously continue to drive Nissan. Incorrect ;-) ...... Lancia left the market because they dissolved (Rusted) in UK weather >:-) ...... You are right. They were made to counterbalance the poor reliability of British cars and revenge us. Think that when we complained about the constant breakdowns of English cars, the dealer replied that we had been unlucky: your car had been finished late in the afternoon, at tea time. Got it. All unfortunate ... ... that's why we see few of them. Max P.S. This is however motorhomes and caravans forum. Of course, Burstner, Hymer, Rapido, CI, N + B, etc. will also cost 10% more. Just 10K£ gift for a 100K£ motorhome. Thank you sir. Yep ;-) .......... Which will mean British manufacturers will have a cost advantage B-) ........ Another Brexit bonus :D .......... But British motorhomes are rubbish and overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 rael - 2020-05-30 9:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-29 10:35 AM mtravel - 2020-05-29 9:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-28 5:25 PM mtravel - 2020-05-28 3:47 PM Just an example. Lancia left the British market many years ago because it made no sense to produce right-side-drive cars for such a small volume of business. Maybe others will. You can obviously continue to drive Nissan. Incorrect ;-) ...... Lancia left the market because they dissolved (Rusted) in UK weather >:-) ...... You are right. They were made to counterbalance the poor reliability of British cars and revenge us. Think that when we complained about the constant breakdowns of English cars, the dealer replied that we had been unlucky: your car had been finished late in the afternoon, at tea time. Got it. All unfortunate ... ... that's why we see few of them. Max P.S. This is however motorhomes and caravans forum. Of course, Burstner, Hymer, Rapido, CI, N + B, etc. will also cost 10% more. Just 10K£ gift for a 100K£ motorhome. Thank you sir. Yep ;-) .......... Which will mean British manufacturers will have a cost advantage B-) ........ Another Brexit bonus :D .......... But British motorhomes are rubbish and overpriced. What I know is based on experience of ;-) ....... The Autosleeper Poptop, and the Highwayman I looked after in the late mid 70's for the Navy :D ........and the fortnight I spent driving the Highwayman around Morocco both on Leyland Sherpa chassies B-) .......... Plus I know the Fiat Amigo I bought was built from Italian doo doo, I had to change the engine more often than the oil 8-) ....... Just as I know the camper we have had for 28.5 years is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned B-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rael Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 11:03 PM rael - 2020-05-30 9:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-29 10:35 AM mtravel - 2020-05-29 9:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-28 5:25 PM mtravel - 2020-05-28 3:47 PM Just an example. Lancia left the British market many years ago because it made no sense to produce right-side-drive cars for such a small volume of business. Maybe others will. You can obviously continue to drive Nissan. Incorrect ;-) ...... Lancia left the market because they dissolved (Rusted) in UK weather >:-) ...... You are right. They were made to counterbalance the poor reliability of British cars and revenge us. Think that when we complained about the constant breakdowns of English cars, the dealer replied that we had been unlucky: your car had been finished late in the afternoon, at tea time. Got it. All unfortunate ... ... that's why we see few of them. Max P.S. This is however motorhomes and caravans forum. Of course, Burstner, Hymer, Rapido, CI, N + B, etc. will also cost 10% more. Just 10K£ gift for a 100K£ motorhome. Thank you sir. Yep ;-) .......... Which will mean British manufacturers will have a cost advantage B-) ........ Another Brexit bonus :D .......... But British motorhomes are rubbish and overpriced. What I know is based on experience of ;-) ....... The Autosleeper Poptop, and the Highwayman I looked after in the late mid 70's for the Navy :D ........and the fortnight I spent driving the Highwayman around Morocco both on Leyland Sherpa chassies B-) .......... Plus I know the Fiat Amigo I bought was built from Italian doo doo, I had to change the engine more often than the oil 8-) ....... Just as I know the camper we have had for 28.5 years is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned B-) ........... That was then, this is now. New British vans are overpriced, full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 rael - 2020-05-30 10:11 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 11:03 PM rael - 2020-05-30 9:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-29 10:35 AM mtravel - 2020-05-29 9:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-28 5:25 PM mtravel - 2020-05-28 3:47 PM Just an example. Lancia left the British market many years ago because it made no sense to produce right-side-drive cars for such a small volume of business. Maybe others will. You can obviously continue to drive Nissan. Incorrect ;-) ...... Lancia left the market because they dissolved (Rusted) in UK weather >:-) ...... You are right. They were made to counterbalance the poor reliability of British cars and revenge us. Think that when we complained about the constant breakdowns of English cars, the dealer replied that we had been unlucky: your car had been finished late in the afternoon, at tea time. Got it. All unfortunate ... ... that's why we see few of them. Max P.S. This is however motorhomes and caravans forum. Of course, Burstner, Hymer, Rapido, CI, N + B, etc. will also cost 10% more. Just 10K£ gift for a 100K£ motorhome. Thank you sir. Yep ;-) .......... Which will mean British manufacturers will have a cost advantage B-) ........ Another Brexit bonus :D .......... But British motorhomes are rubbish and overpriced. What I know is based on experience of ;-) ....... The Autosleeper Poptop, and the Highwayman I looked after in the late mid 70's for the Navy :D ........and the fortnight I spent driving the Highwayman around Morocco both on Leyland Sherpa chassies B-) .......... Plus I know the Fiat Amigo I bought was built from Italian doo doo, I had to change the engine more often than the oil 8-) ....... Just as I know the camper we have had for 28.5 years is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned B-) ........... That was then, this is now. New British vans are overpriced, full stop. Not once we charge a Brexit tariff on those Johnny foreigners :D ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rael Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-05-30 11:17 PM rael - 2020-05-30 10:11 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-30 11:03 PM rael - 2020-05-30 9:36 PM pelmetman - 2020-05-29 10:35 AM mtravel - 2020-05-29 9:24 AM pelmetman - 2020-05-28 5:25 PM mtravel - 2020-05-28 3:47 PM Just an example. Lancia left the British market many years ago because it made no sense to produce right-side-drive cars for such a small volume of business. Maybe others will. You can obviously continue to drive Nissan. Incorrect ;-) ...... Lancia left the market because they dissolved (Rusted) in UK weather >:-) ...... You are right. They were made to counterbalance the poor reliability of British cars and revenge us. Think that when we complained about the constant breakdowns of English cars, the dealer replied that we had been unlucky: your car had been finished late in the afternoon, at tea time. Got it. All unfortunate ... ... that's why we see few of them. Max P.S. This is however motorhomes and caravans forum. Of course, Burstner, Hymer, Rapido, CI, N + B, etc. will also cost 10% more. Just 10K£ gift for a 100K£ motorhome. Thank you sir. Yep ;-) .......... Which will mean British manufacturers will have a cost advantage B-) ........ Another Brexit bonus :D .......... But British motorhomes are rubbish and overpriced. What I know is based on experience of ;-) ....... The Autosleeper Poptop, and the Highwayman I looked after in the late mid 70's for the Navy :D ........and the fortnight I spent driving the Highwayman around Morocco both on Leyland Sherpa chassies B-) .......... Plus I know the Fiat Amigo I bought was built from Italian doo doo, I had to change the engine more often than the oil 8-) ....... Just as I know the camper we have had for 28.5 years is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned B-) ........... That was then, this is now. New British vans are overpriced, full stop. Not once we charge a Brexit tariff on those Johnny foreigners :D ......... Oh good, can't wait. Forced to "buy British" even if its s**te! Bring back the empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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