We must be back in the EU!

[B Dobson]

40 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

Well perhaps your not quite as thick as their target clientele.  You perhaps recognise how they have failed to deliver what they promised on just about everything but in particular on this which I know is something that you very much hoped would happen with Brexit and the Tories.  You are perhaps one of these rare Tory and Brexit supporters that perhaps will admit to themselves that they have been hoodwinked by a bunch of charlatans and liars.   However your average Tory and Brexit supporter just sees the Tory party as the only party that will bloody well sort all this "illegal immigrant" stuff out and they love their various wacky races, Wile Coyote schemes they come up with time after time even though of course none of them work as they are set up to fail so they can then blame lefties, remainers etc and round and round it goes.

I suspect you have realised that to some extent. 

I do wonder though that now you have dumped the Tories who you might be considering voting for in the next election?

There are a lot of Tory voters in the country Barryd999 and you seem to be talking for a hell of a lot of them including me . I know you claim to be able to spot women haters just by looking at them but it's a bit of a stretch for even a silly Brexiteer like me to believe that you know the thoughts of just about every Tory voter 

[Barryd999]

36 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

There are a lot of Tory voters in the country Barryd999 and you seem to be talking for a hell of a lot of them including me . I know you claim to be able to spot women haters just by looking at them but it's a bit of a stretch for even a silly Brexiteer like me to believe that you know the thoughts of just about every Tory voter 

Not every single Tory voter of course, that would be silly to try and claim you knew what every single Tory Voter was thinking.  I must admit I was surprised to hear you no longer supported them. So please do tell us where you think you might cast your vote if there was an election.  Im gonna take a wild guess and bet its not Labour or the LibDems.

[B Dobson]

28 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

Not every single Tory voter of course, that would be silly to try and claim you knew what every single Tory Voter was thinking.  I must admit I was surprised to hear you no longer supported them. So please do tell us where you think you might cast your vote if there was an election.  Im gonna take a wild guess and bet its not Labour or the LibDems.

I probably would vote Reclaim or because I also have the right to vote in the US I could go Republican . I'm quite open to a Labour Government, its swung each way a few times during.my  lifetime . The Tories have become like they had during Majors time a little poisonous, it happens so we move on and let the reds have a go don't we 

[Barryd999]

16 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

I probably would vote Reclaim or because I also have the right to vote in the US I could go Republican . I'm quite open to a Labour Government, its swung each way a few times during.my  lifetime . The Tories have become like they had during Majors time a little poisonous, it happens so we move on and let the reds have a go don't we 

Isn't the Reclaim party the one set up by that nutty (Aleged) racist actor who goes around calling people Pedos on Twitter?  I think he replaced the Monster Raving looney party although unlike the late great Screaming Lord Sutch he isn't funny.

Yes you are probably right with the last bit. I dont know why they just dont throw the towel in now to be honest. 

 

[Barry Lineker]

32 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

I probably would vote Reclaim or because I also have the right to vote in the US I could go Republican . I'm quite open to a Labour Government, its swung each way a few times during.my  lifetime . The Tories have become like they had during Majors time a little poisonous, it happens so we move on and let the reds have a go don't we 

The next election is 2 years away, and 2 weeks is a long time in polictics apparently. 

[B Dobson]

26 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

Isn't the Reclaim party the one set up by that nutty (Aleged) racist actor who goes around calling people Pedos on Twitter?  I think he replaced the Monster Raving looney party although unlike the late great Screaming Lord Sutch he isn't funny.

Yes you are probably right with the last bit. I dont know why they just dont throw the towel in now to be honest. 

 

But its all good for you to go around calling folk "nutty" and "racist" on the internets most used motorhome forum that Warners have kindly provided for free for us to use . Im shocked that without a shred of evidence to support either claim you find it necessary to post such remarks . I would hope as a man of honour you would retract those remarks before Keith, Brian or indeed Laurence himself see them . BTW what is an "Aleged" and how is it pronounced, is it Ali-ged or Ale-ged? 

[B Dobson]

21 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

The next election is 2 years away, and 2 weeks is a long time in polictics apparently. 

One sincerely hopes Barry ,Lineker that The Tories do recover but unless they do something to tackle the taxi service to Dover issue my vote will go elsewhere and from what Im hearing I certainly wont be the only one doing so . I dont know if youve tried booking a romantic weekend away with Mrs Lineker lately, I have though obviously not with Mrs Lineker but my own partner and its a nightmare . All the Premier Inns are fully booked till next March as they are full of young school age males aged 23-50ish 

[Barryd999]

9 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

But its all good for you to go around calling folk "nutty" and "racist" on the internets most used motorhome forum that Warners have kindly provided for free for us to use . Im shocked that without a shred of evidence to support either claim you find it necessary to post such remarks . I would hope as a man of honour you would retract those remarks before Keith, Brian or indeed Laurence himself see them . BTW what is an "Aleged" and how is it pronounced, is it Ali-ged or Ale-ged? 

Thank you for pointing out my spelling mistake there Mr Dobson. I am sorry about that.  I was busy eating a healthy chicken salad and my finger slipped (not into the chicken, the keyboard).

I used the word "alleged" because that is what it was. A lot of people have claimed he was a racist. I think from when he was on the Tories own TV propaganda program Question time.

I believe Mr Fux recently lost the libel case against him for calling three people paedophiles on Twitter.  https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/laurence-fox-loses-latest-round-of-high-court-libel-battle-1386007.html

[Barryd999]

37 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

The next election is 2 years away, and 2 weeks is a long time in polictics apparently. 

Yes it is. This is true. I am starting to see why Starmer just doesn't really do any "opposing" though.  He may as well go and do what your hero Johnson does and go and sit on a beach in the Caribbean and wait until the Tories actually start hacking each other up with machetes.  I hope they televise that when it happens.

[B Dobson]

13 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

Thank you for pointing out my spelling mistake there Mr Dobson. I am sorry about that.  I was busy eating a healthy chicken salad and my finger slipped (not into the chicken, the keyboard).

I used the word "alleged" because that is what it was. A lot of people have claimed he was a racist. I think from when he was on the Tories own TV propaganda program Question time.

I believe Mr Fux recently lost the libel case against him for calling three people paedophiles on Twitter.  https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/laurence-fox-loses-latest-round-of-high-court-libel-battle-1386007.html

Its a blooming good job you dont get sued for every name or insult thrown Barryd999 . Blooming heck that shed load of money thats tucked away abroad would have had a bit of a kicking . Youve called him an "Aleged racist" so just what is it that makes him an Aleged racist eggzactly? Please dont say you have photos of him in his youth at NF marches just like you did with Mr Farage . Do you remember that sad episode BTW? 

[Barryd999]

17 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

Its a blooming good job you dont get sued for every name or insult thrown Barryd999 . Blooming heck that shed load of money thats tucked away abroad would have had a bit of a kicking . Youve called him an "Aleged racist" so just what is it that makes him an Aleged racist eggzactly? Please dont say you have photos of him in his youth at NF marches just like you did with Mr Farage . Do you remember that sad episode BTW? 

I never said he was a racist did I? I said he had been allegedly called one.  Its up to other people to decide if he is or not but he absolutely did call three people on Twitter paedophiles didn't he?

I don't think I have been racist towards anyone or called them worse names that that.  In fact I dont think I have insulted anyone.  I may use some colourful or robust language to describe certain politicians but that is perfectly acceptable IMO.

I do not remember the exact episode you describe as regards Mr Farage but I do remember there was a photo of a young boy who looked like him at a NF Rally where many were suggesting it was him but it was never proved either way from memory 100%

[B Dobson]

1 hour ago, Barryd999 said:

I never said he was a racist did I? I said he had been allegedly called one.  Its up to other people to decide if he is or not but he absolutely did call three people on Twitter paedophiles didn't he?

I don't think I have been racist towards anyone or called them worse names that that.  In fact I dont think I have insulted anyone.  I may use some colourful or robust language to describe certain politicians but that is perfectly acceptable IMO.

I do not remember the exact episode you describe as regards Mr Farage but I do remember there was a photo of a young boy who looked like him at a NF Rally where many were suggesting it was him but it was never proved either way from memory 100%

No Barryd999 thats not what you said is it? I believe these were your own words "Isnt The Reclaim Party the one set up by that nutty (Aleged) racist actor". One also never said you had been 'shock horror' "racist towards anyone" but guess what all insults dont begin and end with racism in the real world . You remember perfectly posting up the picture of 'young Nigel' and claiming it was him . Theres no shame in putting ones hands up and saying 'fair cop, I got it wrong" rather than pretending not to remember . Youre better than this Barryd999 

[Barryd999]

1 hour ago, B Dobson said:

No Barryd999 thats not what you said is it? I believe these were your own words "Isnt The Reclaim Party the one set up by that nutty (Aleged) racist actor". One also never said you had been 'shock horror' "racist towards anyone" but guess what all insults dont begin and end with racism in the real world . You remember perfectly posting up the picture of 'young Nigel' and claiming it was him . Theres no shame in putting ones hands up and saying 'fair cop, I got it wrong" rather than pretending not to remember . Youre better than this Barryd999 

Yes that is correct, I was simply confirming that he was the nutty (Alleged) racist actor which is how lots of people describe him.  

I remember the photo of a young Nigel Farage at an NF rally but I am not entirely sure it was me that posted it and of course if it was 100% proven it wasn't him then I would have course have graciously accepted that as such.  

Here he is though in later life spouting very racist stuff indeed.

https://tinyurl.com/yc35bma2

[Brian Kirby]

On 11/6/2022 at 5:30 PM, Barry Lineker said:

1  I see you are still as pedantic as ever Brian.

2  So what do you think your wondeful EU will do about this incident?

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220625-migrants-killed-wounded-after-storming-spain-morocco-border/

3  Seeing as theirs is also founded on the rule of law, apparently.

4  As I expect a whitewash because Socialists are very good at whitewashing, as is evident by Starmer getting his legal mates to whitewash his part in Saville escaping justice.

1  Accurately quoting facts is hardly pedantry.  You still seem somewhat confused over the difference between the Council of Europe and the EU.  Have another look at my explanation above and let me know where it's wrong or unclear.  No, please, don't thank me - I'll be happy to help set you straight if I can.

This string is (or was) about payments offered by the UK government to the Albanian government in an attempt to reduce the number of Albanians coming to the UK.  Into this, you for some reason introduced a comprehensively misunderstood and irrelevant ECHR judgement concerning an Iranian man on a proposed deportation flight to Rwanda!  I explained that the ECHR was not, as you apparently and incorrectly think it, an EU institution.  I should probably also have pointed out that the ECHR judgement was completely irrelevant to the UK government paying the Albanian government, as the ECHR was not in the slightest involved over those payments.

2  Having got that lot around your neck, you then introduce another apparently half-understood issue: that of Spanish border guards allegedly shooting and killing a number of Moroccans (four months ago, to boot!) at the border between the Spanish enclave of Melilla and Morocco, and wonder what the EU will do about that.  I would imagine nothing, as the EU does not have border guards, and has no command or control of Spanish border guards.  Spain, and Spain alone, can answer for the actions of its border guards.

3  Here you seem to be under the misapprehension that the EU (theirs?) is a nation state.  It is not.  Spain is the nation state in question.

4  Is wholly irrelevant to both the string and your own post.  What on earth has either topic to with Starmer (leader of the opposition, so not involved in government) or "Socialists"?  Or do you also think Starmer (or maybe Socialists) secretly run/s the ECHR, or even the EU?  Confused it is that I am.

[Barry Lineker]

9 minutes ago, Brian Kirby said:

1  Accurately quoting facts is hardly pedantry.  You still seem somewhat confused over the difference between the Council of Europe and the EU.  Have another look at my explanation above and let me know where it's wrong or unclear.  No, please, don't thank me - I'll be happy to help set you straight if I can.

This string is (or was) about payments offered by the UK government to the Albanian government in an attempt to reduce the number of Albanians coming to the UK.  Into this, you for some reason introduced a comprehensively misunderstood and irrelevant ECHR judgement concerning an Iranian man on a proposed deportation flight to Rwanda!  I explained that the ECHR was not, as you apparently and incorrectly think it, an EU institution.  I should probably also have pointed out that the ECHR judgement was completely irrelevant to the UK government paying the Albanian government, as the ECHR was not in the slightest involved over those payments.

2  Having got that lot around your neck, you then introduce another apparently half-understood issue: that of Spanish border guards allegedly shooting and killing a number of Moroccans (four months ago, to boot!) at the border between the Spanish enclave of Melilla and Morocco, and wonder what the EU will do about that.  I would imagine nothing, as the EU does not have border guards, and has no command or control of Spanish border guards.  Spain, and Spain alone, can answer for the actions of its border guards.

3  Here you seem to be under the misapprehension that the EU (theirs?) is a nation state.  It is not.  Spain is the nation state in question.

4  Is wholly irrelevant to both the string and your own post.  What on earth has either topic to with Starmer (leader of the opposition, so not involved in government) or "Socialists"?  Or do you also think Starmer (or maybe Socialists) secretly run/s the ECHR, or even the EU?  Confused it is that I am.

I see you still need to count Brian.

1, Regardless of how pedantic you try to be about it, the ECHR prevented the first flight to Rwanda. 

2, I lack the patients that Pelmetman used to have when dealing with pedants.

[B Dobson]

1 hour ago, Barryd999 said:

Yes that is correct, I was simply confirming that he was the nutty (Alleged) racist actor which is how lots of people describe him.  

I remember the photo of a young Nigel Farage at an NF rally but I am not entirely sure it was me that posted it and of course if it was 100% proven it wasn't him then I would have course have graciously accepted that as such.  

Here he is though in later life spouting very racist stuff indeed.

https://tinyurl.com/yc35bma2

Thats the nearest we'll ever get to an apology from Barryd999 . You gotta laugh, not at him though as that might be classed as racism which would obviously be down to that blooming Brexit 

[Barryd999]

16 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

I see you still need to count Brian.

1, Regardless of how pedantic you try to be about it, the ECHR prevented the first flight to Rwanda. 

2, I lack the patients that Pelmetman used to have when dealing with pedants.

But other than that, you are exactly the same eh Dave. 🤣

[simians]

2 hours ago, Barry Lineker said:

 

2, I lack the patients

and patience said the doctor.

[Barry Lineker]

11 hours ago, simians said:

and patience said the doctor.

Best call the doctor, you've caught Brian's Pedanturitus.

[Brian Kirby]

16 hours ago, Barry Lineker said:

I see you still need to count Brian.

1, Regardless of how pedantic you try to be about it, the ECHR prevented the first flight to Rwanda. 

2, I lack the patients that Pelmetman used to have when dealing with pedants.

1  Strewth, you still don't get it, do you?  No, they did not.  In fact, they did not "prevent anything".  What they did (as I said above, especially for you!! 🙂) was that the one remaining person scheduled to travel on that flight should not be sent to Rwanda for a further three weeks, to allow his appeal against deportation had been heard in the UK courts.  The flight was actually free to go at any time, but just that one passenger should not be on it.  That charter of the flight was a complete waste of money as all of the intended 130 passengers successfully appealed the HO deportation orders in UK courts and won.  So, no passengers, no flight.  Simples!

What you are missing (or contriving to miss) is that the true reason the flight was abandoned (at considerable cost to the UK tax-payer), was a combination of HO incompetence in framing their deportation orders, and the rulings of the UK courts on the legality of those HO deportation orders under UK law.  Having lost on all 130 deportation orders, the HO has not yet been able to send a single individual to Rwanda.  Surely that tells you something about where the blame for that fiasco lies?

2  Please forgive me, I hadn't realised that you and Pelmet were both medically qualified!  😉  I'm now beginning to understand why the NHS has become such an unmitigated disaster. 

[Brian Kirby]

22 hours ago, Barryd999 said:

Isn't the Reclaim party the one set up by that nutty (Aleged) racist actor who goes around calling people Pedos on Twitter?  I think he replaced the Monster Raving looney party although unlike the late great Screaming Lord Sutch he isn't funny.

Yes you are probably right with the last bit. I dont know why they just dont throw the towel in now to be honest. 

 

Wiki here: https://tinyurl.com/2d7wr8fx

Great record in elections with about 2% of the vote, on average (NB, not a calculated figure!!).  So, politically irrelevant, and a waste of a vote.  The upside is that the other 98% of voters will decide your future for you, which I suppose at least means you'll never have to answer for the consequences of your vote.  As Heseltine said in 1976, it's like a one-legged army marching "Right, right, right".  Marching on one lag has an unfortunate consequence: you tend to go round in circles until, inevitably, you disappear - but no-one quite knows where to!   🤫

[Barryd999]

11 minutes ago, Brian Kirby said:

Wiki here: https://tinyurl.com/2d7wr8fx

Great record in elections with about 2% of the vote, on average (NB, not a calculated figure!!).  So, politically irrelevant, and a waste of a vote.  The upside is that the other 98% of voters will decide your future for you, which I suppose at least means you'll never have to answer for the consequences of your vote.  As Heseltine said in 1976, it's like a one-legged army marching "Right, right, right".  Marching on one lag has an unfortunate consequence: you tend to go round in circles until, inevitably, you disappear - but no-one quite knows where to!   🤫

No no Brian!!! I think Reclaim and that other one, the Brexit party or whatever they are called now (reform or something) will do very well at the next election.  Its the natural home for people like Mr B Dobson and Mr Lineker.  One of them at least has said he is abandoning the Tories and the other one has no business being a Tory member or supporter anymore.  Yes they should vote for that actor chappy or that nice Mr Farage. Hopefully the Dolphin wont be running.

[B Dobson]

7 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

No no Brian!!! I think Reclaim and that other one, the Brexit party or whatever they are called now (reform or something) will do very well at the next election.  Its the natural home for people like Mr B Dobson and Mr Lineker.  One of them at least has said he is abandoning the Tories and the other one has no business being a Tory member or supporter anymore.  Yes they should vote for that actor chappy or that nice Mr Farage. Hopefully the Dolphin wont be running.

UKIP and Mr Farage were once irrelevant . Their irrelevance didn't end very well for one or three of our valuable members on here did it? Just sayin like . 

[Bulletguy]

1 hour ago, Barryd999 said:

No no Brian!!! I think Reclaim and that other one, the Brexit party or whatever they are called now (reform or something) will do very well at the next election.  

 

[Barryd999]

1 hour ago, B Dobson said:

UKIP and Mr Farage were once irrelevant . Their irrelevance didn't end very well for one or three of our valuable members on here did it? Just sayin like . 

Yes that is true so you should be voting for that nice Mr Farage then not the bonkers right wing Actor.

Their irrelevance didnt really end well for everyone though really did it, as in it didnt end well for all of us?  Brexit is a disaster, Covid was an even bigger disaster, Johnson was a disaster and the Tory party is now a disaster but you are quite right. Mr Farage was perhaps the most influential politician in destroying the UK.  Without him and UKIP, probably none of the above would have happened.