We must be back in the EU!

[Barry Lineker]

5 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

What a bizarre thing to say. Covid is the fault of Brexit? Putin invading Ukraine is the fault of Brexit?

Have you taken leave of your senses or something? Oh I am sorry, you never had any in the first place. 🤣

Clearly you have forgotton how desperate you got to blame everthing on the Tories. Fortunately for you, your more outlandish claims got deleted by the mods, but those of us with all of our marbles still in place can still remember them.

BTW are you still claiming the UK has the worst COVID death rate in the world?

[Barryd999]

1 minute ago, Barry Lineker said:

Clearly you have forgotton how desperate you got to blame everthing on the Tories. Fortunately for you, your more outlandish claims got deleted by the mods, but those of us with all of our marbles still in place can still remember them.

BTW are you still claiming the UK has the worst COVID death rate in the world?

Havent you got a lot of evidence to be gathering?  You should be getting on with that instead of making up more lies.  Nothing I have posted on here has been flagged up by the mods.  Chop Chop and lets have the thread back on track please.

[John52]

Who knows what went on in Putin's head when he decided to invade Ukraine. 

We will probably never know how much difference Brexit made.

But having his opponents divided by Brexit can only have have encouraged him.

His opponents being divided by Brexit can't have discouraged him, can it?

[Barry Lineker]

10 minutes ago, Barryd999 said:

Havent you got a lot of evidence to be gathering?  You should be getting on with that instead of making up more lies.  Nothing I have posted on here has been flagged up by the mods.  Chop Chop and lets have the thread back on track please.

STOP PRESS! Barry Fake News accuses someone of making up lies.........Hypocrisy .......and ......Irony .......in one post.......is enough to bring out the inner Pelmetman in.......anyone........🤣🤣🤣

[Barry Lineker]

Just now, John52 said:

Who knows what went on in Putin's head when he decided to invade Ukraine. 

We will probably never know how much difference Brexit made.

But having his opponents divided by Brexit can only have have encouraged him.

His opponents being divided by Brexit can't have discouraged him, can it?

Yet more irony from the Wigan immigrant too Scotland who wants to divide Scotland from England🤣

[Barryd999]

Yawn. Ill go back to House of the Dragon then seeing as it looks like once again I have been proved right. Poor Dave Pelmet. Never won a debate or argument on internet land in, in? Well since before records began probably. 

[Barry Lineker]

1 minute ago, Barryd999 said:

Yawn. Ill go back to House of the Dragon then seeing as it looks like once again I have been proved right. Poor Dave Pelmet. Never won a debate or argument on internet land in, in? Well since before records began probably. 

I think Barry999 you'll find that denial is a symptom of your post Brexit mental health problems.

[Brian Kirby]

7 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

Did the ECHR are not prevent the first Rwanda flight from happening?

This is from Reuters on 14 June 22:

"LONDON, June 14 (Reuters) - The European Court of Human Rights confirmed it had issued an order on Tuesday preventing the deportation of one individual due to be on the first flight of migrants from Britain to Rwanda due to depart hours later.

The court had decided "that the applicant should not be removed until the expiry of a period of three weeks following the delivery of the final domestic decision in the ongoing judicial review proceedings", its ruling said."

You will note that the flight was not, as you claim, "prevented" - just that the deportation of the one deportee left on board was prevented.  The original number of deportees had been 130.  This had shrunk, with no inputs from the ECHR, to 7 by the previous day, leaving just one at the intended time of the flight.  Had the original number selected for deportation not won their various cases in the UK courts, the flight could have proceeded as intended.

The other potential deportees had already been removed from the flight manifest through actions in the UK courts, and not the ECHR.

What the Reuters report also states, as above, is that "that the applicant should not be removed until the expiry of a period of three weeks following the delivery of the final domestic decision in the ongoing judicial review proceedings".  So, the government was seeking to ship out a deportee whose judicial review of his deportation order had not reached its conclusion.

You will note that the deportation was not prevented by the ECHR ruling, just stayed for three weeks while his case was heard in court, and any further appeals etc, to which he was entitled under UK law, lodged.  That seems to me the proper outcome of due legal process.

There are plenty of countries around the world whose governments make up law on the hoof.  If you think they have better regimes than our own, why not move to one?  Ours is founded on the rule of law, tedious though you may find that.

[Barry Lineker]

1 minute ago, Brian Kirby said:

This is from Reuters on 14 June 22:

"LONDON, June 14 (Reuters) - The European Court of Human Rights confirmed it had issued an order on Tuesday preventing the deportation of one individual due to be on the first flight of migrants from Britain to Rwanda due to depart hours later.

The court had decided "that the applicant should not be removed until the expiry of a period of three weeks following the delivery of the final domestic decision in the ongoing judicial review proceedings", its ruling said."

You will note that the flight was not, as you claim, "prevented" - just that the deportation of the one deportee left on board was prevented.  The original number of deportees had been 130.  This had shrunk, with no inputs from the ECHR, to 7 by the previous day, leaving just one at the intended time of the flight.  Had the original number selected for deportation not won their various cases in the UK courts, the flight could have proceeded as intended.

The other potential deportees had already been removed from the flight manifest through actions in the UK courts, and not the ECHR.

What the Reuters report also states, as above, is that "that the applicant should not be removed until the expiry of a period of three weeks following the delivery of the final domestic decision in the ongoing judicial review proceedings".  So, the government was seeking to ship out a deportee whose judicial review of his deportation order had not reached its conclusion.

You will note that the deportation was not prevented by the ECHR ruling, just stayed for three weeks while his case was heard in court, and any further appeals etc, to which he was entitled under UK law, lodged.  That seems to me the proper outcome of due legal process.

There are plenty of countries around the world whose governments make up law on the hoof.  If you think they have better regimes than our own, why not move to one?  Ours is founded on the rule of law, tedious though you may find that.

I see you are still as pedantic as ever Brian.

So what do you think your wondeful EU will do about this incident?

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220625-migrants-killed-wounded-after-storming-spain-morocco-border/

Seeing as theirs is also founded on the rule of law, apparently.

As I expect a whitewash because Socialists are very good at whitewashing, as is evident by Starmer getting his legal mates to whitewash his part in Saville escaping justice.

[B Dobson]

The law certainly can be an ass at times can't it . I sometimes wish some of those who seem to care so much about the rights of those who grace us with their presence in Blighty as guests would care the same for the many victims of their crimes here . 

[Barry Lineker]

12 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

The law certainly can be an ass at times can't it . I sometimes wish some of those who seem to care so much about the rights of those who grace us with their presence in Blighty as guests would care the same for the many victims of their crimes here . 

I doubt it Belinda, as we know to our cost, a Socialist/Liberal ego is worth any amount of innocent lives lost.

[B Dobson]

12 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

I doubt it Belinda, as we know to our cost, a Socialist/Liberal ego is worth any amount of innocent lives lost.

Yes Barry Lineker I do wish I could be a little bit more compassionate and caring at times like some of those on here and elsewhere that hold out a helping hand to those in need . I think that blooming Brexit has made me a little harsh 

[Barryd999]

59 minutes ago, Brian Kirby said:

This is from Reuters on 14 June 22:

"LONDON, June 14 (Reuters) - The European Court of Human Rights confirmed it had issued an order on Tuesday preventing the deportation of one individual due to be on the first flight of migrants from Britain to Rwanda due to depart hours later.

The court had decided "that the applicant should not be removed until the expiry of a period of three weeks following the delivery of the final domestic decision in the ongoing judicial review proceedings", its ruling said."

You will note that the flight was not, as you claim, "prevented" - just that the deportation of the one deportee left on board was prevented.  The original number of deportees had been 130.  This had shrunk, with no inputs from the ECHR, to 7 by the previous day, leaving just one at the intended time of the flight.  Had the original number selected for deportation not won their various cases in the UK courts, the flight could have proceeded as intended.

The other potential deportees had already been removed from the flight manifest through actions in the UK courts, and not the ECHR.

What the Reuters report also states, as above, is that "that the applicant should not be removed until the expiry of a period of three weeks following the delivery of the final domestic decision in the ongoing judicial review proceedings".  So, the government was seeking to ship out a deportee whose judicial review of his deportation order had not reached its conclusion.

You will note that the deportation was not prevented by the ECHR ruling, just stayed for three weeks while his case was heard in court, and any further appeals etc, to which he was entitled under UK law, lodged.  That seems to me the proper outcome of due legal process.

There are plenty of countries around the world whose governments make up law on the hoof.  If you think they have better regimes than our own, why not move to one?  Ours is founded on the rule of law, tedious though you may find that.

 

I said this from the off that the Rwanda scam was just that, a scam set up to fail. I think they knew it would end like it did but it had the desired effect on their sheeple, just look at the posts above for that.  They even dropped their own Human rights bill and clearly dont seem that fussed about sorting out these Albanians.

I wonder at what point their devoted followers will realise they are just been conned yet again.

 

[Bulletguy]

The HO is now hiring staff from customer service and sales at McDonalds, Tesco and Aldi, as part of a recruitment drive to clear its huge backlog of asylum applications.

They are hiring via recruitment agencies.

 Many are placed on rolling, temporary contracts, typically for three months. Despite being promised comprehensive training, decision-makers report being “left to fend for themselves” after two days, and having to conduct complex interviews and make “life or death” decisions.

Staff refer to Lonely Planet guides for “potted histories” of applicants’ home countries, prioritise certain nationalities and preside over a “quantity above quality” approach.

A whistleblower with nearly two decades’ experience in asylum decision-making who is currently training new staff to carry out interviews, told the Observer: “They’re getting in far too many inexperienced people, with no understanding of the asylum system, and they just don’t have the support they need so they leave.” They added: “It’s a total disaster. They don’t know what they’re doing”.

The news comes as a new poll for the Observer reveals that the vast majority of the public – 73% – believe Britain has not “taken back control” of its borders since Brexit. According to the latest Opinium poll, only 12% believe Britain is in control of its borders, while almost half say Brexit has made Britain’s ability to manage its borders worse.

[Bulletguy]

Confused Brexiteers....both funny tho' the 2nd is Brexit Bonkers. 

 

[B Dobson]

12 minutes ago, Bulletguy said:

The HO is now hiring staff from customer service and sales at McDonalds, Tesco and Aldi, as part of a recruitment drive to clear its huge backlog of asylum applications.

They are hiring via recruitment agencies.

 Many are placed on rolling, temporary contracts, typically for three months. Despite being promised comprehensive training, decision-makers report being “left to fend for themselves” after two days, and having to conduct complex interviews and make “life or death” decisions.

Staff refer to Lonely Planet guides for “potted histories” of applicants’ home countries, prioritise certain nationalities and preside over a “quantity above quality” approach.

A whistleblower with nearly two decades’ experience in asylum decision-making who is currently training new staff to carry out interviews, told the Observer: “They’re getting in far too many inexperienced people, with no understanding of the asylum system, and they just don’t have the support they need so they leave.” They added: “It’s a total disaster. They don’t know what they’re doing”.

The news comes as a new poll for the Observer reveals that the vast majority of the public – 73% – believe Britain has not “taken back control” of its borders since Brexit. According to the latest Opinium poll, only 12% believe Britain is in control of its borders, while almost half say Brexit has made Britain’s ability to manage its borders worse.

Chuckle . You gotta laugh . Of course 73% of the population believe Britain hasn't "taken back control" One is surprised the percentage isnt higher, it should be . As for almost half blaming Brexit for poor border control thats the amount that voted Remain isnt it? If one was to believe Barryd999 that figure should be much higher . Not that he cares about Brexit anymore anyway 

[B Dobson]

European Human Rights Legislation will hopefully help this misunderstood young man remain here in the UK and become a valuable member of our society regardless of him not fully understanding the rights and wrongs of looking but not touching https://rmx.news/crime/asylum-seeker-living-in-uk-hotel-accommodation-jailed-for-hour-long-rape-of-paralytic-woman/

[Barryd999]

2 hours ago, Bulletguy said:

Confused Brexiteers....both funny tho' the 2nd is Brexit Bonkers. 

 

I bet that woman in the second video is Barry Lineker (AKA Dave Pelmet).  £100 says it is. Got to be.

[Barryd999]

This is pretty much what I have been saying throughout. The Tories need and want this "migrant crisis". 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/07/tories-myth-migrant-crisis-brexit-immigration-centre?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Barry Lineker]

1 hour ago, Barryd999 said:

This is pretty much what I have been saying throughout. The Tories need and want this "migrant crisis". 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/07/tories-myth-migrant-crisis-brexit-immigration-centre?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Well that's a shocker, Barry999 and the Guardian agree with each other🤣

[Barryd999]

6 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

Well that's a shocker, Barry999 and the Guardian agree with each other🤣

Yes but unlike you I have been spouting this theory for a while as I dont need to be told by my newspaper like you do what to think, its the other way around.  I could have written that weeks ago.

[Barry Lineker]

1 minute ago, Barryd999 said:

Yes but unlike you I have been spouting this theory for a while as I dont need to be told by my newspaper like you do what to think, its the other way around.  I could have written that weeks ago.

Yes you are quite correct you have been spouting all kinds of anti Brexit/Tory theories since 2016. It doesn't mean you or the Guardian are right though. 

[B Dobson]

1 hour ago, Barryd999 said:

This is pretty much what I have been saying throughout. The Tories need and want this "migrant crisis". 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/07/tories-myth-migrant-crisis-brexit-immigration-centre?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Excuse me for asking Barryd999 but why would they want the migrant crisis to lose voters like me? I'm a bit ditsy I know but it's all rather confusing and with all that worry with the Russians taking over n'all I just don't know what to do 

[Barryd999]

4 minutes ago, B Dobson said:

Excuse me for asking Barryd999 but why would they want the migrant crisis to lose voters like me? I'm a bit ditsy I know but it's all rather confusing and with all that worry with the Russians taking over n'all I just don't know what to do 

Well perhaps your not quite as thick as their target clientele.  You perhaps recognise how they have failed to deliver what they promised on just about everything but in particular on this which I know is something that you very much hoped would happen with Brexit and the Tories.  You are perhaps one of these rare Tory and Brexit supporters that perhaps will admit to themselves that they have been hoodwinked by a bunch of charlatans and liars.   However your average Tory and Brexit supporter just sees the Tory party as the only party that will bloody well sort all this "illegal immigrant" stuff out and they love their various wacky races, Wile Coyote schemes they come up with time after time even though of course none of them work as they are set up to fail so they can then blame lefties, remainers etc and round and round it goes.

I suspect you have realised that to some extent. 

I do wonder though that now you have dumped the Tories who you might be considering voting for in the next election?

[Barryd999]

16 minutes ago, Barry Lineker said:

Yes you are quite correct you have been spouting all kinds of anti Brexit/Tory theories since 2016. It doesn't mean you or the Guardian are right though. 

Of course it does. Im always right.