malc d Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 candapack - 2017-06-03 9:23 PM Seriously? Knowing that you were facing death, it would cheer you up to know that we had managed to kill and maim hundreds of thousands of innocent children? That's what happens in wars. If you see your own family and friends being blown to bits I'm afraid a thirst for revenge takes over. It's human nature and there must be a very small minority who are prepared to " turn the other cheek " :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 malc d - 2017-06-03 9:34 PM candapack - 2017-06-03 9:23 PM Seriously? Knowing that you were facing death, it would cheer you up to know that we had managed to kill and maim hundreds of thousands of innocent children? That's what happens in wars. If you see your own family and friends being blown to bits I'm afraid a thirst for revenge takes over. It's human nature and there must be a very small minority who are prepared to " turn the other cheek " :-| I'm currently reading "A Higher Call" about two 2nd ww pilots, Charlie Brown, piloting a badly shot up B17 bomber attempting to get back to UK after a mission, and Franz Stigler, Luftwaffe pilot of a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. It's a remarkable but true story showing the sheer futility of war, but also the compassion by some. Both Stigler and Brown passed away in 2008......within 8 months of each other. This short video clip gives the background detail but there are many more clips of Stigler and Brown on YT. The story is well known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 candapack - 2017-06-03 9:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-06-03 6:28 PM I would like to think that when I assume the position to kiss my ar*e goodbye :-| .......That we have pushed the button and know that we're not heading to Armageddon on our own >:-) ....... One things for sure pacifist Corbyn lacks the balls to push the button *-) ......... Seriously? Knowing that you were facing death, it would cheer you up to know that we had managed to kill and maim hundreds of thousands of innocent children? Yep ......... We're not all appeasers and terrorist apologists like Corbyn :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-06-04 8:07 AM candapack - 2017-06-03 9:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-06-03 6:28 PM I would like to think that when I assume the position to kiss my ar*e goodbye :-| .......That we have pushed the button and know that we're not heading to Armageddon on our own >:-) ....... One things for sure pacifist Corbyn lacks the balls to push the button *-) ......... Seriously? Knowing that you were facing death, it would cheer you up to know that we had managed to kill and maim hundreds of thousands of innocent children? Yep ......... We're not all appeasers and terrorist apologists like Corbyn :-| ......... I suppose the best thing would be not to push the button but let your enemy think you would. Its a pity you prefer the Daily Mail version of what Corbyn says to what he actually says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 John52 - 2017-06-04 12:02 PM pelmetman - 2017-06-04 8:07 AM candapack - 2017-06-03 9:23 PM pelmetman - 2017-06-03 6:28 PM I would like to think that when I assume the position to kiss my ar*e goodbye :-| .......That we have pushed the button and know that we're not heading to Armageddon on our own >:-) ....... One things for sure pacifist Corbyn lacks the balls to push the button *-) ......... Seriously? Knowing that you were facing death, it would cheer you up to know that we had managed to kill and maim hundreds of thousands of innocent children? Yep ......... We're not all appeasers and terrorist apologists like Corbyn :-| ......... I suppose the best thing would be not to push the button but let your enemy think you would. Its a pity you prefer the Daily Mail version of what Corbyn says to what he actually says. Corbyn will not push the button under any circumstances *-) ........He's been asked enough times :-| ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 What makes you think any of them would press the button? There was a drama documentary a while back which highlighted the fact that many would not press the button. Cant remember what channel it was on or the exact outcome. Have we really not learned anything over all these years? A man is criticised for not being worthy of government because he might not decide to take his part in blowing up the rest of the world when it would be pretty much game over or us all if it got that far. The sooner we abandon Trident the better as far as I am concerned. We are not the big player we once thought we were and it will make little difference as a deterrent I feel. Stuff what the USA says as well. Oh I forgot, we cant do that can we as we will have to become Trumps little puppy after Brexit. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-06-04 1:11 PM Corbyn will not push the button under any circumstances *-) ........He's been asked enough times :-| ...... I've never heard him say that. Just point out that our biggest threat comes from Cyber Crime and Terrorists and Trident is useless there. Probably making things worse because they can show they don't need nuclear weapons to kill more of us than themselves with terrorist attacks. Thats why we need someone with the ability to negotiate rather than just threaten with nuclear weapons . Why haven't countries with no nuclear weapons (the majority) been invaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 As i've said before all this chest puffing fake bravado is boys comic annual stuff. Faced with the harsh realities they'd be among the first to run off crying. A Russian naval officer, Vasili Arkhipov, was faced with this decision during the Cuban missile crisis, and much later in 1983 Stanislav Petrov, a duty officer at an early warning station. Both chose not to "press the button" and both made the right decisions. Arkhipov; http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/you-and-almost-everyone-you-know-owe-your-life-to-this-man/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov Petrov; http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 This is worth watching 9 countries with nuclear weapons, 181 without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 John52 - 2017-06-04 2:47 PM Thats why we need someone with the ability to negotiate rather than just threaten with nuclear weapons . You mean surrender *-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 It should be dead easy to get rid of our nukes. All we need is a big red bus and everyone will get behind the campaign for nuclear disarmament as its written on the side of a bus, must be true! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-06-04 3:58 PM It should be dead easy to get rid of our nukes. All we need is a big red bus and everyone will get behind the campaign for nuclear disarmament as its written on the side of a bus, must be true! :D It should read....."If you talk boll*cks vote Labour" >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Barryd999 - 2017-06-04 3:58 PM It should be dead easy to get rid of our nukes. All we need is a big red bus and everyone will get behind the campaign for nuclear disarmament as its written on the side of a bus, it must be true! :D And they'd actually believe it too.........as it's on a big red bus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 John52 - 2017-06-04 2:47 PM Why haven't countries with no nuclear weapons (the majority) been invaded? Might be because a lot of them have defence agreements with countries who do have nuclear weapons ? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 John 52, is that the same Harold Wilson who was so in hock to Joe Gormley that he allowed him hold this country to ransome and at the same time price British coal out of the market, thereby bringing about the death of the British coal industry with ultimately the loss of thousands of jobs? And the Gerry Corbyn, is he the one who supported and acted as an apologist for the IRA terrorists? AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Archiesgrandad - 2017-06-04 8:05 PM John 52, is that the same Harold Wilson who was so in hock to Joe Gormley that he allowed him hold this country to ransome and at the same time price British coal out of the market, thereby bringing about the death of the British coal industry with ultimately the loss of thousands of jobs? And the Gerry Corbyn, is he the one who supported and acted as an apologist for the IRA terrorists? AGD The death knell of the mining industry was brought about by the personal battle between Thatcher and Scargill. Thatcher had been stockpiling cheap coal from Poland in readiness for "battle" as she had every intention of closing down pits. Scargill knew this and brought the NUM out on strike. His big mistake was not balloting and i never understood why as he'd have got an overwhelming majority vote. Some blame it entirely on Scargill despite the fact his prediction was right, others blame Thatcher. Whichever side of the fence you sit on there is no denying the pair of them saw it as a personal battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Never mind press bias looks like they are already looking at the postal votes and trying to act upon it ... Electoral fraud never mind press bias ... https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/871714551296864256/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-06-05 4:49 PM Never mind press bias looks like they are already looking at the postal votes and trying to act upon it ... Electoral fraud never mind press bias ... https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/871714551296864256/photo/1 Well they do have a history of rigging the vote in Tower Hamlets ;-) ......... Not that our residents who are slower than a speeding bullet would believe such a thing is possible *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-06-05 4:49 PM Never mind press bias looks like they are already looking at the postal votes and trying to act upon it ... Electoral fraud never mind press bias ... https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/871714551296864256/photo/1 Hopkins is hardly a reputable source of info! First tweet down from the Council; "“We have robust processes in place to ensure that postal votes remain confidential. When envelopes are opened the ballot paper is placed face down so that the vote is not seen and ballots are placed in a pile and stored securely. They will only be counted after polling closes on Thursday, 8 June. All allegations of misconduct are treated extremely seriously. Everyone who attends these opening sessions is given a copy of the legal secrecy requirements and we are reminding them of their duty to maintain the secrecy of the ballot.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-06-05 8:07 PM antony1969 - 2017-06-05 4:49 PM Never mind press bias looks like they are already looking at the postal votes and trying to act upon it ... Electoral fraud never mind press bias ... https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/871714551296864256/photo/1 Hopkins is hardly a reputable source of info! First tweet down from the Council; "“We have robust processes in place to ensure that postal votes remain confidential. When envelopes are opened the ballot paper is placed face down so that the vote is not seen and ballots are placed in a pile and stored securely. They will only be counted after polling closes on Thursday, 8 June. All allegations of misconduct are treated extremely seriously. Everyone who attends these opening sessions is given a copy of the legal secrecy requirements and we are reminding them of their duty to maintain the secrecy of the ballot.” Does that mean its not true then ??? Seems Ealing Council have started a legal investigation into it ... Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Margaret Thatcher had to act against the NUM in the National interest because Wilson was in hock to the Unions generally, and Gormley and the NUM in particular, and because Wilson's action had not only conceded so much to the miners as to make British coal too expensive, but he had also given in to Gormley on the question of using the then new North Sea Gas, which resulted in Wilson deciding not to use the Gas to fuel the power stations, which one of his ministers proudly announced would make electricity so cheap it would not be worth metering, instead he did a deal with the unions to continue to use very expensive British coal for the power station, and pay for all the domestic gas appliances in the land to be converted to run off the new gas. We should, by now, know that politicians are not the most trustworthy and well intentioned people in the world, and my view is that there is no reasonable alternative to the sort of system we have. I try to choose the least harmful option. In general terms the choice is between capitalists who will make money, and in the process create an environment in which most of us earn a reasonable living, and pay enough in taxation to provide a reasonable welfare system for the less fortunate, and socialists who will divert as much of the nations wealth as it takes to enable them to live like capitalists, all the time claiming that they are doing it for us, and with no regard for whether or not their plans are viable or sustainable I worked with Corbyn, so don't say nobody warned you. AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Oh Gawd help us if this woman has any power on Friday morning ... She's a walking disaster area ... Yet another stunning interview from white hating , British hating , Black mothers love their children more than white mothers Diane Abbott ... http://news.sky.com/video/diane-abbott-tries-to-talk-about-counter-terror-review-10905600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Archiesgrandad - 2017-06-05 10:18 PM Margaret Thatcher had to act against the NUM in the National interest because Wilson was in hock to the Unions generally, and Gormley and the NUM in particular, and because Wilson's action had not only conceded so much to the miners as to make British coal too expensive, but he had also given in to Gormley on the question of using the then new North Sea Gas, which resulted in Wilson deciding not to use the Gas to fuel the power stations, which one of his ministers proudly announced would make electricity so cheap it would not be worth metering, instead he did a deal with the unions to continue to use very expensive British coal for the power station, and pay for all the domestic gas appliances in the land to be converted to run off the new gas. We should, by now, know that politicians are not the most trustworthy and well intentioned people in the world, and my view is that there is no reasonable alternative to the sort of system we have. I try to choose the least harmful option. In general terms the choice is between capitalists who will make money, and in the process create an environment in which most of us earn a reasonable living, and pay enough in taxation to provide a reasonable welfare system for the less fortunate, and socialists who will divert as much of the nations wealth as it takes to enable them to live like capitalists, all the time claiming that they are doing it for us, and with no regard for whether or not their plans are viable or sustainable I worked with Corbyn, so don't say nobody warned you. AGD 1) British Coal was cheaper than German coal - which they subsidised because they could see the wisdom of not selling their power and water supplies to foreign corporations like Britain. 2) It was nuclear that was supposed to make electricity too cheap to meter, not coal. 3) Problem with most British Capitalists is they don't produce anything. Lloyd George said it best in 1909. "What is the landlord's increment? Who is the landlord? The landlord is a gentleman - I have not a word to say about him in his personal capacity - the landlord is a gentleman who does not earn his wealth. He does not even take the trouble to receive his wealth. He has a host of agents and clerks to receive it for him. He does not even take the trouble to spend his wealth. He has a host of people around him to do the actual spending for him. He never sees it until he comes to enjoy it. His sole function, his chief pride, is stately consumption of wealth produced by others. What about the doctor's income? How does the doctor earn his income? The doctor is a man who visits our homes when they are darkened with the shadow of death: who, by his skill, his trained courage, his genius, wrings hope out of the grip of despair, wins life out of the fangs of the Great Destroyer. All blessings upon him and his divine art of healing that mends bruised bodies and anxious hearts. To compare the reward which he gets for that labour with the wealth which pours into the pockets of the landlord purely owing to the possession of his monopoly is a piece - if they will forgive me for saying so - of insolence which no intelligent man would tolerate. Now that is the halfpenny tax on unearned increment. This system is not business, it is blackmail Now I come to the reversion tax. What is the reversion tax? You have got a system in the country which is not tolerated in any other country of the world, except, I believe, Turkey; the system whereby landlords take advantage of the fact that they have got complete control over the land to let it for a term of years, spend money upon it in building, in developing it. You improve the building, and year by year the value passes into the pockets of the landlord, and at the end of sixty, seventy, eighty or ninety years the whole of it passes away to the pockets of a man who never spent a penny upon it. Look at all this leasehold system. This system - it is the system I am attacking, not individuals - is not business, it is blackmail. I have no doubt some of you have taken the trouble to peruse some of these leases, and they are really worth reading, and I will guarantee that if you circulate copies of some of these building and mining leases at Tariff Reform meetings, and if you can get workmen at those meetings and the business men to read them, they will come away sadder but much wiser men. What are they? Ground rent is a part of it - fines, fees; you are to make no alteration without somebody's consent. Who is that somebody? It is the agent of the landlord. A fee to him. You must submit the plans to the landlords architect and get his consent. There is a fee to him. There is a fee to the surveyor; and then, of course, you cannot keep the lawyer out - he always comes in. And a fee to him. Well, that is the system, and the landlords come to us in the House of Commons and they say: If you go on taxing reversions we will grant no more leases? Is not that horrible? No more leases! No more kindly landlords with all their retinue of good fairies - agents, surveyors, lawyers - ready always to receive ground rents, fees, premiums, fines, reversions - no more, never again! They will not do it. We cannot persuade them. They wont have it. The landlord has threatened us that if we proceed with the Budget he will take his sack clean away from the hopper, and the grain which we are all grinding our best to fill his sack will go into our own. Oh, I cannot believe it. There is a limit even to the wrath of outraged landlords. We must really appease them; we must offer up some sacrifice to them. Suppose we offer the House of Lords to them? Well, you seem rather to agree with that. I will make the suggestion to them. I say their day of reckoning is at hand." Lloyd George's plans to impose a land tax were foiled by the landowners in the House of Lords. A hundred years later the wealth of the great landowners has become even more obscene. The policy of both New Labour and Tories has been to restrict housing supply to inflate prices for the landlords' benefit. They have left a string of loopholes to avoid inheritance tax and the Tories want to do away with it altogether - they would rather tax poor mans earned income than rich mans unearned income. Now we are seeing it extended further with even detached houses being sold leasehold without the hapless buyers realising what leasehold really means!!! Salesmen disguise it by calling it 'virtual freehold' People are led to believe they are buying the house and land but they are not!! It still belongs to someone else who will control it and charge more rent on it!! They are just paying a lot of of the rent up front!!! It's a gigantic conspiracy against the people of Britain and it's time to bring the whole edifice crashing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-06-06 6:49 AMOh Gawd help us if this woman has any power on Friday morning ... She's a walking disaster area ... Yet another stunning interview from white hating , British hating , Black mothers love their children more than white mothers Diane Abbott ... http://news.sky.com/video/diane-abbott-tries-to-talk-about-counter-terror-review-10905600 Yep....that was one train wreck of an interview. I'm beginning to think the woman is suffering some sort of mental degradation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Talking of press bias ... Heres the Beeb refusing to report the fact a young girls attackers were shouting Allah as they slashed her ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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