Guest pelmetman Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 6:55 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:40 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 6:34 PM My only experience of fire so far has thankfully not been at home, but once at work when we had an explosion in one of the powder cell rooms. ! Is that all Bullet *-) ...... Every vessel I served on caught fire at least once ;-) ....... The only one that didn't ....sunk :D ....... Even had a fire at HMS Rooke in Gibraltar......and that was a shore base (lol) ....... Why am i not surprised to read that? With you on board they'd got a one man trouble making disaster. I'm more surprised they didn't have you walk the plank. Incidentally an explosion is much more than just a fire......but then you wouldn't know that. Then you'd be wrong ;-) ....... As the boiler blew up on HMS Devonshire as we were heading out for a 9 month far east tour 8-) ......... Only got as far as Lisbon *-) ........ BTW unlike you land lubbers we either had to put fires out or die 8-) .......... Coz there was no where to run >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:20 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 6:09 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 5:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 4:28 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-18 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 12:26 AM The Independent Review of Building Regulations and Fire Safety final report conducted by Dame Judith Hackitt released today. She told C4 news how shocked she was over the building sectors 'lack of moral responsibility, the attitudes, and the practices' within it. Though a highly qualified engineer her expertise is in the field of building chemical plants, not accommodation, so quite why she was asked to head the inquiry i'm not sure. She mentions about 'people flouting the system' using non-compliant materials and said they 'must be held to account'. She hasn't called for a total ban on cladding which is confusing, but explains her reason here;................................. I think if you download and read both (especially) the interim report and the final report, you will begin to glimpse why she was asked to head the inquiry. It's a long read, though. The interim goes at some length into the reasoning behind her call for a centralised approval authority. What the report identifies is the way in which the system has been degraded over time, both to allow self-certification, and to introduce price competition into the approvals procedure. She can't be specific over the shortcomings, because the police are still running a criminal investigation into how non-compliant materials came to be used. Regarding a ban on flammable materials, I don't think it is that simple. It is already the case, as she acknowledges, and as confirmed by Brokenshire yesterday in parliament, that the cladding system used on Grenfell does not meet Building Regs requirements and was used illegally. In short, it is already "banned" under the regs. It is the degraded approvals procedure that led to its use. The report makes recommendations to tighten the controls in the kind of way that was normal 30-40 years ago. The bigger question is whether a naïve, free-market oriented, deregulating, government will bite the bullet of accepting that the private sector has to be regarded as a potential poacher, meaning that its employer has to be prepared to employ a gamekeeper to keep it on the rails! :-) From what she said on the C4 interview she seemed to be genuinely shocked and surprised at the lax attitude within domestic property builds. I've no idea of the field of engineering she specialises in but she obviously believed the controls were as strict. The part you mention in second para (emboldened) is what i found disturbing but she said that will be a matter for the building regulator now. As you say it is already banned......it needs properly enforcing. There seems to have been a culture of cost cutting and riding rough shod over any regulations. I doubt that same culture applied when developing Hyde Park One or Canary Wharf apartments. Seeing how 'new builds' get thrown up in a matter of weeks today with residents moving in before the cement has barely had time to set, has always baffled me how developers get away with it. And they aren't cheap either. A small development near my village went up a few years ago, tiny little 'rabbit hutches' at £200 - £250k and all were sold. Youve obviously never worked on sites or redevelopments ... You can be sure cost cutting through materials or other will have happened on Hyde Park One and Canary Wharf ... I dont do redevelopment or site work anymore as tha's no money in it for moi but back in the day when I did site work everyone who could from foundation to roof cut corners , if you didn't you made no money ... Your "rabbit hutches" as sh8tty as they are the demand is there for them ... Our new lazy homeowners prefer to move into something already finished rather getting their hands dirty ... Trouble is 6 months after buying a rabbit hutch they do have to get their hands dirty What Brian get his hands dirty??? (lol) ........ Bullet can only polish Bullets and his ego *-) ....... I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ...... I got out of the game when building regs said I had to wear a hard hat and steel toe capped boots to fit curtains 8-) .......Then I knew the lunatics were in charge >:-) ....... As normal grasping reality of what takes place proves a little difficult for the drips ... Talking of Grenfell what ever happened to the tests on that magical exploding fridge and the fella who packed all his belongings before raising the alarm Makes you wonder dont it ;-) ....... He had time to pack??? 8-) ........ I wonder if he was a Momentum member? :-S ........ Not to mention he knocked on his neighbours door and left his open so she could see the fire in his kitchen :-| ....... Well a good fire does need a bit of draught *-) ........ Those Hotpoint fridges ended being classed as low risk dint they ... Mr Behailu Kebede , typical Londoners name did pack all his gear away ... Weren't his family away that night ??? ... That was lucky wasn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-18 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:20 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 6:09 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 5:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 4:28 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-18 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 12:26 AM The Independent Review of Building Regulations and Fire Safety final report conducted by Dame Judith Hackitt released today. She told C4 news how shocked she was over the building sectors 'lack of moral responsibility, the attitudes, and the practices' within it. Though a highly qualified engineer her expertise is in the field of building chemical plants, not accommodation, so quite why she was asked to head the inquiry i'm not sure. She mentions about 'people flouting the system' using non-compliant materials and said they 'must be held to account'. She hasn't called for a total ban on cladding which is confusing, but explains her reason here;................................. I think if you download and read both (especially) the interim report and the final report, you will begin to glimpse why she was asked to head the inquiry. It's a long read, though. The interim goes at some length into the reasoning behind her call for a centralised approval authority. What the report identifies is the way in which the system has been degraded over time, both to allow self-certification, and to introduce price competition into the approvals procedure. She can't be specific over the shortcomings, because the police are still running a criminal investigation into how non-compliant materials came to be used. Regarding a ban on flammable materials, I don't think it is that simple. It is already the case, as she acknowledges, and as confirmed by Brokenshire yesterday in parliament, that the cladding system used on Grenfell does not meet Building Regs requirements and was used illegally. In short, it is already "banned" under the regs. It is the degraded approvals procedure that led to its use. The report makes recommendations to tighten the controls in the kind of way that was normal 30-40 years ago. The bigger question is whether a naïve, free-market oriented, deregulating, government will bite the bullet of accepting that the private sector has to be regarded as a potential poacher, meaning that its employer has to be prepared to employ a gamekeeper to keep it on the rails! :-) From what she said on the C4 interview she seemed to be genuinely shocked and surprised at the lax attitude within domestic property builds. I've no idea of the field of engineering she specialises in but she obviously believed the controls were as strict. The part you mention in second para (emboldened) is what i found disturbing but she said that will be a matter for the building regulator now. As you say it is already banned......it needs properly enforcing. There seems to have been a culture of cost cutting and riding rough shod over any regulations. I doubt that same culture applied when developing Hyde Park One or Canary Wharf apartments. Seeing how 'new builds' get thrown up in a matter of weeks today with residents moving in before the cement has barely had time to set, has always baffled me how developers get away with it. And they aren't cheap either. A small development near my village went up a few years ago, tiny little 'rabbit hutches' at £200 - £250k and all were sold. Youve obviously never worked on sites or redevelopments ... You can be sure cost cutting through materials or other will have happened on Hyde Park One and Canary Wharf ... I dont do redevelopment or site work anymore as tha's no money in it for moi but back in the day when I did site work everyone who could from foundation to roof cut corners , if you didn't you made no money ... Your "rabbit hutches" as sh8tty as they are the demand is there for them ... Our new lazy homeowners prefer to move into something already finished rather getting their hands dirty ... Trouble is 6 months after buying a rabbit hutch they do have to get their hands dirty What Brian get his hands dirty??? (lol) ........ Bullet can only polish Bullets and his ego *-) ....... I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ...... I got out of the game when building regs said I had to wear a hard hat and steel toe capped boots to fit curtains 8-) .......Then I knew the lunatics were in charge >:-) ....... As normal grasping reality of what takes place proves a little difficult for the drips ... Talking of Grenfell what ever happened to the tests on that magical exploding fridge and the fella who packed all his belongings before raising the alarm Makes you wonder dont it ;-) ....... He had time to pack??? 8-) ........ I wonder if he was a Momentum member? :-S ........ Not to mention he knocked on his neighbours door and left his open so she could see the fire in his kitchen :-| ....... Well a good fire does need a bit of draught *-) ........ Those Hotpoint fridges ended being classed as low risk dint they ... Mr Behailu Kebede , typical Londoners name did pack all his gear away ... Weren't his family away that night ??? ... That was lucky wasn't it How lucky is that? ;-) ......... Dunno where he's gone? :-S ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM..........................I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ................................. If all you've ever set foot on are itty-bitty house builder's sites, you're over-bidding your expertise! :-D My first experience of a building site was in 1962, and my last in 2004. I was on and off all kinds of building sites for pretty much the whole of the intervening 42 years. So yes, I've been on quite a few! I even got my hands dirty - though I washed them afterwards! Strange, this preoccupation with people getting dirty hands, has it some hidden significance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-18 7:24 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM..........................I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ................................. If all you've ever set foot on are itty-bitty house builder's sites, you're over-bidding your expertise! :-D My first experience of a building site was in 1962, and my last in 2004. I was on and off all kinds of building sites for pretty much the whole of the intervening 42 years. So yes, I've been on quite a few! I even got my hands dirty - though I washed them afterwards! Strange, this preoccupation with people getting dirty hands, has it some hidden significance? Well it would be a miracle if you hadnt experienced cutting corners Brian ... Unless of course you were one of those the cutting corners crew were hiding it from ... Who's mentioned getting hands dirty ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-18 7:24 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 7:08 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:20 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 6:09 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM antony1969 - 2018-05-18 5:58 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 4:28 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-18 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-05-18 12:26 AM The Independent Review of Building Regulations and Fire Safety final report conducted by Dame Judith Hackitt released today. She told C4 news how shocked she was over the building sectors 'lack of moral responsibility, the attitudes, and the practices' within it. Though a highly qualified engineer her expertise is in the field of building chemical plants, not accommodation, so quite why she was asked to head the inquiry i'm not sure. She mentions about 'people flouting the system' using non-compliant materials and said they 'must be held to account'. She hasn't called for a total ban on cladding which is confusing, but explains her reason here;................................. I think if you download and read both (especially) the interim report and the final report, you will begin to glimpse why she was asked to head the inquiry. It's a long read, though. The interim goes at some length into the reasoning behind her call for a centralised approval authority. What the report identifies is the way in which the system has been degraded over time, both to allow self-certification, and to introduce price competition into the approvals procedure. She can't be specific over the shortcomings, because the police are still running a criminal investigation into how non-compliant materials came to be used. Regarding a ban on flammable materials, I don't think it is that simple. It is already the case, as she acknowledges, and as confirmed by Brokenshire yesterday in parliament, that the cladding system used on Grenfell does not meet Building Regs requirements and was used illegally. In short, it is already "banned" under the regs. It is the degraded approvals procedure that led to its use. The report makes recommendations to tighten the controls in the kind of way that was normal 30-40 years ago. The bigger question is whether a naïve, free-market oriented, deregulating, government will bite the bullet of accepting that the private sector has to be regarded as a potential poacher, meaning that its employer has to be prepared to employ a gamekeeper to keep it on the rails! :-) From what she said on the C4 interview she seemed to be genuinely shocked and surprised at the lax attitude within domestic property builds. I've no idea of the field of engineering she specialises in but she obviously believed the controls were as strict. The part you mention in second para (emboldened) is what i found disturbing but she said that will be a matter for the building regulator now. As you say it is already banned......it needs properly enforcing. There seems to have been a culture of cost cutting and riding rough shod over any regulations. I doubt that same culture applied when developing Hyde Park One or Canary Wharf apartments. Seeing how 'new builds' get thrown up in a matter of weeks today with residents moving in before the cement has barely had time to set, has always baffled me how developers get away with it. And they aren't cheap either. A small development near my village went up a few years ago, tiny little 'rabbit hutches' at £200 - £250k and all were sold. Youve obviously never worked on sites or redevelopments ... You can be sure cost cutting through materials or other will have happened on Hyde Park One and Canary Wharf ... I dont do redevelopment or site work anymore as tha's no money in it for moi but back in the day when I did site work everyone who could from foundation to roof cut corners , if you didn't you made no money ... Your "rabbit hutches" as sh8tty as they are the demand is there for them ... Our new lazy homeowners prefer to move into something already finished rather getting their hands dirty ... Trouble is 6 months after buying a rabbit hutch they do have to get their hands dirty What Brian get his hands dirty??? (lol) ........ Bullet can only polish Bullets and his ego *-) ....... I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ...... I got out of the game when building regs said I had to wear a hard hat and steel toe capped boots to fit curtains 8-) .......Then I knew the lunatics were in charge >:-) ....... As normal grasping reality of what takes place proves a little difficult for the drips ... Talking of Grenfell what ever happened to the tests on that magical exploding fridge and the fella who packed all his belongings before raising the alarm Makes you wonder dont it ;-) ....... He had time to pack??? 8-) ........ I wonder if he was a Momentum member? :-S ........ Not to mention he knocked on his neighbours door and left his open so she could see the fire in his kitchen :-| ....... Well a good fire does need a bit of draught *-) ........ Those Hotpoint fridges ended being classed as low risk dint they ... Mr Behailu Kebede , typical Londoners name did pack all his gear away ... Weren't his family away that night ??? ... That was lucky wasn't it How lucky is that? ;-) ......... Dunno where he's gone? :-S ........ Incredibly lucky ... His God sure was looking after him that night ... I bet hes holed up in some decent pad somewhere with his family this time though ... Hes a lucky fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-18 7:24 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM..........................I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ................................. If all you've ever set foot on are itty-bitty house builder's sites, you're over-bidding your expertise! :-D My first experience of a building site was in 1962, and my last in 2004. I was on and off all kinds of building sites for pretty much the whole of the intervening 42 years. So yes, I've been on quite a few! I even got my hands dirty - though I washed them afterwards! Strange, this preoccupation with people getting dirty hands, has it some hidden significance? So You'll know how standards have dropped ;-) ....... BTW the fact that you washed them say's everything Brian :D ........ Forgot to add I worked on all the big boy sites like Persimmon, Countryside, Bovis etc etc.......even Barratt 8-) .......So you can see I weren't fussy :$ ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-05-18 7:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-18 7:24 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-18 6:04 PM..........................I doubt they've ever set foot on a building site :-| ................................. If all you've ever set foot on are itty-bitty house builder's sites, you're over-bidding your expertise! :-D My first experience of a building site was in 1962, and my last in 2004. I was on and off all kinds of building sites for pretty much the whole of the intervening 42 years. So yes, I've been on quite a few! I even got my hands dirty - though I washed them afterwards! Strange, this preoccupation with people getting dirty hands, has it some hidden significance? Well it would be a miracle if you hadnt experienced cutting corners Brian ... Unless of course you were one of those the cutting corners crew were hiding it from ... Who's mentioned getting hands dirty ??? Of course. Corner cutting is how some folk make money. Price the job, then see how much they can leave out without getting spotted. Dave was preoccupied with dirty hands, possibly because he was only window dressing, so had to keep his clean! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-18 8:00 PM...........................Forgot to add I worked on all the big boy sites like Persimmon, Countryside, Bovis etc etc.......even Barratt 8-) .......So you can see I weren't fussy :$ ....... Good for you. They must have had much prettier show-house windows when you left! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The official inquiry hears testimony from survivors of Grenfell including parents whose baby was stillborn. https://www.channel4.com/news/grenfell-inquiry-into-britains-worst-civil-disaster-in-21st-century-opens-with-moving-testimony There was an even more powerful and damning interview from a 16th floor resident who escaped thanks to a neighbour who phoned him as he slept and shouted "GET OUT NOW....IMMEDIATELY". He had been on the Grenfell Residents Action group who had raised concerns over the cladding and numerous other issues with RBK&C and KCTMO, but were continually 'stonewalled'. There has to be accountability and i expect at the very least to see custodial sentences. His experience is chilling and staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 There are some extremely sick minded people out there that makes me despair what kind of society we've become. Their mindset has no place in any society at all.....and not even fit to inhabit the sewers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appeal-video-mock-up-grenfell-tower-burned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-05 10:18 PM There are some extremely sick minded people out there that makes me despair what kind of society we've become. Their mindset has no place in any society at all.....and not even fit to inhabit the sewers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appeal-video-mock-up-grenfell-tower-burned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562 Yes I saw some idiots had burnt a Boris Johnson look alike on their bonfire too ... Dont know whats going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Yes I really dislike the idea of burning Grenfell Tower or anyone else including Boris Johnson. But then I don't like the idea of burning Guy Fawkes either - and 'celebrating' that was compulsory until 1959. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-05 10:18 PM There are some extremely sick minded people out there that makes me despair what kind of society we've become. Their mindset has no place in any society at all.....and not even fit to inhabit the sewers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appeal-video-mock-up-grenfell-tower-burned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562 Thats what I thought when Osborne said he wouldn't rest until Theresa May was chopped up in bags in his freezer: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/13/george-osborne-criticised-for-gruesome-remarks-against-theresa-may Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-05 10:18 PM There are some extremely sick minded people out there that makes me despair what kind of society we've become. Their mindset has no place in any society at all.....and not even fit to inhabit the sewers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appeal-video-mock-up-grenfell-tower-burned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562 At least those sicko's didn't ripoff the taxpayer unlike some of the pretend victims :-| .......... Not seen you complaining about them though? :-S ............ Is it coz they ain't white Brits? ;-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I don't condone the burning of a cardboard model but maybe they are as hacked off as many of us with the outpouring of false grief and public (taxpayers) and generously donated private money to so many of these people who, considering they allegedly had nothing seem to have done very well out of Grenfell - I don't see any evidence of them sharing their very profitable gains with those less fortunate? The whole episode stinks of corruption from the top to the very bottom. You too could get a new iphone with the savings as there is no need to insure your home because if it burns down just use Faceache to get sympathy and loadsa cash from other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-11-06 9:46 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-05 10:18 PM There are some extremely sick minded people out there that makes me despair what kind of society we've become. Their mindset has no place in any society at all.....and not even fit to inhabit the sewers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appeal-video-mock-up-grenfell-tower-burned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562 At least those sicko's didn't ripoff the taxpayer unlike some of the pretend victims :-| .......... And you know this as indisputable fact? Without a credible link that is pure assumption and nothing else. And to be clear (as i know you will attempt to twist it around) i'm referring to the bold. Not seen you complaining about them though? :-S ............ Is it coz they ain't white Brits? ;-) ......... Colour, ethnicity etc has no bearing to me on wrong doing. If a person has been found guilty of an offence through due process and sentence passed, that's it. Their offences were as despicable as the very nasty posts you and your cohort have made on this thread about 'foreign type folk'. You were invited, by another poster on this thread, to make your own thread about this particular matter but you were so "concerned" you never even bothered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Interesting that the men involved were arrested on suspicion of a public order offence (then presumably released on bail) while the police figure out whether any offence was committed and sufficient evidence to take to court.Setting aside any question of perceptions of tastelessness or tactlessness which we might have about this action, doesn't the possibility of prosecution raise a question of freedom of speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Much worse is said and done with zero consequences ... Cant say its the most tasteful thing Ive ever seen but far from the worst ... Grenfell has become one of those untouchables that you cant criticise like Islam or homosexuality ... In less than a week most of us decent folk will pay our respects to those who fought and died for us ... I think part of what they fought for was freedom of speech however that might upset some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 I agree that this incident does raise important questions regarding the freedom of speech and where the line has to be drawn in relation to that freedom and criminality. Hopefully the police investigation will fall the right side of that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Violet1956 - 2018-11-06 4:25 PM I agree that this incident does raise important questions regarding the freedom of speech and where the line has to be drawn in relation to that freedom and criminality. Hopefully the police investigation will fall the right side of that line. Personally I think the investigation will fall bang on line with PC correctness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-11-06 2:12 PM pelmetman - 2018-11-06 9:46 AM Bulletguy - 2018-11-05 10:18 PM There are some extremely sick minded people out there that makes me despair what kind of society we've become. Their mindset has no place in any society at all.....and not even fit to inhabit the sewers. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appeal-video-mock-up-grenfell-tower-burned https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562 At least those sicko's didn't ripoff the taxpayer unlike some of the pretend victims :-| .......... And you know this as indisputable fact? Without a credible link that is pure assumption and nothing else. And to be clear (as i know you will attempt to twist it around) i'm referring to the bold. Not seen you complaining about them though? :-S ............ Is it coz they ain't white Brits? ;-) ......... Colour, ethnicity etc has no bearing to me on wrong doing. If a person has been found guilty of an offence through due process and sentence passed, that's it. Their offences were as despicable as the very nasty posts you and your cohort have made on this thread about 'foreign type folk'. It's quite evident from the posts you make and the threads you start ;-) ......... You have a touch of the "Sinead O'connors about you >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 antony1969 - 2018-11-06 4:18 PM .. In less than a week most of us decent folk will pay our respects to those who fought and died for us ... Some will be doing more and wearing a white poppy to pay their respects to everyone who dies in the war, including but not just the military. The white poppy is non-political too. No subtle political propoganda like 'They died for our freedom' which claims the war was necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 John52 - 2018-11-06 5:33 PM antony1969 - 2018-11-06 4:18 PM .. In less than a week most of us decent folk will pay our respects to those who fought and died for us ... Some will be doing more and wearing a white poppy to pay their respects to everyone who dies in the war, including but not just the military. The white poppy is non-political too. No subtle political propoganda like 'They died for our freedom' which claims the war was necessary. So you'd prefer to be speaking German rather than bullsh*t? *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 John52 - 2018-11-06 5:33 PM antony1969 - 2018-11-06 4:18 PM .. In less than a week most of us decent folk will pay our respects to those who fought and died for us ... Some will be doing more and wearing a white poppy to pay their respects to everyone who dies in the war, including but not just the military. The white poppy is non-political too. No subtle political propoganda like 'They died for our freedom' which claims the war was necessary. Never seen that "war was necessary" from those selling poppies ... Please show ... You been on the riz cos your post dont make much sense ... As usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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