Bulletguy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 John52 - 2017-06-20 11:37 AM Good article in the Daily Mail for once? .... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066702/One-Hyde-Park-Only-9-62-Londons-exclusive-flats-pay-council-tax.html And the bitter irony is council rates there are absolute peanuts in comparison to the property values. I pay the same amount of tax for a small 2 bed bungalow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 StuartO - 2017-06-21 4:19 PM It seems that a very generous solution to rehousing the survivors of Grenfell Towerhas been found already. They are to be offered flats in the affordable housing part of a large new development only about 1.5 miles from Grenfell Tower and work is being accelerated there to complete these falts as quickly as possible so that they may move on from July onwards. It sounds almost too good to be true. Which generally means it is! But time will tell. IF true, then i imagine it will upset a few folk!! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40357280 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-latest-victims-rehoused-2bn-kensington-luxury-apartment-block-68-flats-a7800856.html May has called it "a failure of the State" and apologised. Government need to re-think about social housing. It was a huge mistake to sell them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Double posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Social housing ... If we didn't ship em in maybe we wouldn't need so much social housing and that horrendous cost to the London taxpayer in welfare could be reduced substantially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 StuartO - 2017-06-21 4:19 PMIt seems that a very generous solution to rehousing the survivors of Grenfell Towerhas been found already. They are to be offered flats in the affordable housing part of a large new development only about 1.5 miles from Grenfell Tower and work is being accelerated there to complete these falts as quickly as possible so that they may move on from July onwards. It sounds almost too good to be true.As I recall section 106 planning permission requires 25% of the new flats to be social housing,So I don't know whether these flats will come out of what they are already obliged to provide.At last those survivors of the fire claiming JSA have at last been told they won't be sanctioned for failing to keep up their job searches and interviews. They were asking the jobcentre and couldn't get an answer. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/20/jobseekers-allowance-rules-suspended-for-grenfell-tower-tenants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-06-21 6:14 PM Social housing ... If we didn't ship em in maybe we wouldn't need so much social housing and that horrendous cost to the London taxpayer in welfare could be reduced substantially I quite agree. Just spent £400m doing up Buckingham Palace for the German immigrants and did we get so much as a thank you *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-06-21 6:14 PMSocial housing ... Aka Council houses until Thatchers "right to buy" scheme.If we didn't ship em in maybe we wouldn't need so much social housing and that horrendous cost to the London taxpayer in welfare could be reduced substantially."Ship" who in? We need EU/non-EU migrants to do the work lazy British won't do.You'd best start addressing the issue of why we have so many home grown bone idle sods who've never done a days work in their life and have no intention of either. Young single mothers breeding kids like rabbits so they can get priority listing for a house etc.John52 - 2017-06-21 6:21 PMStuartO - 2017-06-21 4:19 PMIt seems that a very generous solution to rehousing the survivors of Grenfell Towerhas been found already. They are to be offered flats in the affordable housing part of a large new development only about 1.5 miles from Grenfell Tower and work is being accelerated there to complete these falts as quickly as possible so that they may move on from July onwards. It sounds almost too good to be true.As I recall section 106 planning permission requires 25% of the new flats to be social housing,So I don't know whether these flats will come out of what they are already obliged to provide.At last those survivors of the fire claiming JSA have at last been told they won't be sanctioned for failing to keep up their job searches and interviews. They were asking the jobcentre and couldn't get an answer. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/20/jobseekers-allowance-rules-suspended-for-grenfell-tower-tenants.Good God. :-S John52 - 2017-06-21 6:54 PMantony1969 - 2017-06-21 6:14 PMSocial housing ... If we didn't ship em in maybe we wouldn't need so much social housing and that horrendous cost to the London taxpayer in welfare could be reduced substantiallyI quite agree. Just spent £400m doing up Buckingham Palace for the German immigrants and did we get so much as a thank you *-) (lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol)(lol) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 StuartO - 2017-06-20 8:29 AMJohn52 - 2017-06-20 7:01 AM .....So the victims storm the Town Hall to protest in the only way they know how.... I got the impression that the protesters were all people who "had friends" in Grenfell Tower, rather than victims themselves, all of whom seem to be adoptin a very low prodfile. Perhaps they have been spirirted away to luxury hotels, somewhere where the press can't reach them!Looks like those residents who survived will be rehoused in rather sumptuous flats B-) .......http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-latest-victims-rehoused-2bn-kensington-luxury-apartment-block-68-flats-a7800856.htmlNo doubt John52 and other Labour luvvy's will "still" find something to complain about *-) ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I hope they allocate a few of those posh rooms to the homeless ex-military folk who have fallen on hard times and live on the back streets of London with bugger-all to their names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-06-22 8:20 AMStuartO - 2017-06-20 8:29 AMJohn52 - 2017-06-20 7:01 AM .....So the victims storm the Town Hall to protest in the only way they know how.... I got the impression that the protesters were all people who "had friends" in Grenfell Tower, rather than victims themselves, all of whom seem to be adoptin a very low prodfile. Perhaps they have been spirirted away to luxury hotels, somewhere where the press can't reach them!Looks like those residents who survived will be rehoused in rather sumptuous flats B-) .......http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-latest-victims-rehoused-2bn-kensington-luxury-apartment-block-68-flats-a7800856.htmlNo doubt John52 and other Labour luvvy's will "still" find something to complain about *-) .....The headline is misleading Dave as has been pointed out already. If you read on it states “The homes will be in two affordable housing blocks at the site, and were purchased by the City of London Corporation in a deal brokered by the Homes and Communities Agency (HCA).” “Affordable” doesn’t have a ring of “luxury” about it. We got rid of our Victorian workhouses a while ago so that’s not an option. You’re beginning to sound like a workhouse Beadle. However, I’ll forgive you if you can sing like Harry Secombe, you’re already as funny at times. ;-) Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Bop - 2017-06-22 10:00 AM I hope they allocate a few of those posh rooms to the homeless ex-military folk who have fallen on hard times and live on the back streets of London with bugger-all to their names. This British Legion article is rather illuminating. Having read it I'm not persuaded that the problems faced by homeless veterans in London would be solved or even ameliorated to any significant extent just by giving them a place to live sadly. http://media.britishlegion.org.uk/Media/2283/litrev_ukvetshomelessness.pdf Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Bop - 2017-06-22 10:00 AM I hope they allocate a few of those posh rooms to the homeless ex-military folk who have fallen on hard times and live on the back streets of London with bugger-all to their names. Ex military already have more help than others, and statistically are more likely to be violent. Problem with social housing below market rents is deciding who gets one is as big a recipe for corruption as the planning system. Sub letting is illegal but rife. There is a possibility some tenants were not in the flats during the fire because they had sub let them at a profit to others who have perished :-( The fraudsters will now be in line for a luxury apartment at a peppercorn rent. The elephant in the room and obvious answer to the housing crisis is to relax planning constraints so we can build enough homes and bring rents down for everybody - not just a subsidized few Unfortunately the Establishment obviously doesn't really want to fix the housing crisis because they are making too much money out of it :-S Edit: Just seen Veronica has posted an informative study on ex- military homelessness, Thank You. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 There was a good article on the BBC Brekkie news today in which a fire safety expert highlighted the point about the industry fire regulations and how they had not changed for many years. He stated that there had been a number of major reviews conducted (and submitted to the government) in 2000, 2003, 2006, 2009, 2010 and 2013 and yet there has been no distinguishable changes made by any government. Interestingly though the report which was written in 2009 highlighted a number of grave failings with regard to how buildings were constructed and what fire retardant materials should be utilised following a fairly serious fire at a multi-level building in the south. The government at the time was consulted and yet still no changes were introduced; all water under the bridge. Im just wondering why the Conservative Party didn't implement the necessary changes at the point when the first four reports were submitted by the experts? Ah, let me think about that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-06-22 11:22 AM Bop - 2017-06-22 10:00 AM I hope they allocate a few of those posh rooms to the homeless ex-military folk who have fallen on hard times and live on the back streets of London with bugger-all to their names. This British Legion article is rather illuminating. Having read it I'm not persuaded that the problems faced by homeless veterans in London would be solved or even ameliorated to any significant extent just by giving them a place to live sadly. http://media.britishlegion.org.uk/Media/2283/litrev_ukvetshomelessness.pdf Veronica Veronica, I appreciate the post-up but that review was published 7-years ago and it was taken from surveys done in 2008 from what I gather. The British involvement in Iraq didn't officially cease until mid-2010 while Afghansitan plodded on for years after - and is still going. The point I make is that it doesn't reflect any true state of the veteran community but I'll certainly print off a few copies and use them to get the fire started when I next go camping with my son. Cheers, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 Bop - 2017-06-23 8:46 AM Violet1956 - 2017-06-22 11:22 AM Bop - 2017-06-22 10:00 AM I hope they allocate a few of those posh rooms to the homeless ex-military folk who have fallen on hard times and live on the back streets of London with bugger-all to their names. This British Legion article is rather illuminating. Having read it I'm not persuaded that the problems faced by homeless veterans in London would be solved or even ameliorated to any significant extent just by giving them a place to live sadly. http://media.britishlegion.org.uk/Media/2283/litrev_ukvetshomelessness.pdf Veronica Veronica, I appreciate the post-up but that review was published 7-years ago and it was taken from surveys done in 2008 from what I gather. The British involvement in Iraq didn't officially cease until mid-2010 while Afghansitan plodded on for years after - and is still going. The point I make is that it doesn't reflect any true state of the veteran community but I'll certainly print off a few copies and use them to get the fire started when I next go camping with my son. Cheers, Andrew I hadn't noticed quite how old it was Andrew so I accept in terms of figures it is not a true reflection of the current numbers of veterans who are homeless but won't the complex problems that they face remain the same? That was the point I was trying to make but not very well perhaps. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Brian Kirby - 2017-06-17 10:36 PM John52 - 2017-06-17 9:25 PM................................ 1 Thatcher shifted the onus on fire prevention from the fire authority to the landlord. 2 Spending money on cheap combustible pretty cladding instead of fire sprinklers is not the decision of a fireman is it? 3 Thats the decision of a politician :-( 1 Not on any project I've even been involved in. If I said where's your evidence for that, what would you say? 2 According to statements made by the senior fire officer involved, as I understand him, yes, it still is. Sprinklers are not a panacea for safety, and have always been second preference to compartmentation. I wouldn't want to bet on which would have been the cheapest, the sprinklers or the cladding, but I'd be a mite surprised if either would prove much different in cost to the other. 3 Well who actually made that decision? Do you know? Can't find the article I read earlier that said it started under Thatcher. This one says he was informed of self-certification (shifting the safety inspection from the Firremen to the Landlord) in 2007; https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/jun/17/architects-grenfell-tower-fire-was-an-avoidable-tragedy I found it worth reading in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 An interview shown on Channel 4 news this evening with the only two people who made it out alive from the 23rd floor of Grenfell. It's extremely distressing viewing. https://www.channel4.com/news/grenfell-the-only-survivors-from-the-top-floor-tell-their-story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDavid Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Community spirit of the area after this terrible tragedy has been phenomenal. Went to #Game4Grenfell the other day and it was amazing to see a great show for those in the community including those brave firefighters. Hope this investigation actually gets somewhere and justice is served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 LarryDavid - 2017-09-14 12:58 PM Community spirit of the area after this terrible tragedy has been phenomenal. Went to #Game4Grenfell the other day and it was amazing to see a great show for those in the community including those brave firefighters. Hope this investigation actually gets somewhere and justice is served. Couldn't agree more though i suspect it will be a total whitewash. Former executive of KCTMO Robert Black resigned from his job three months ago, yet is still being paid a six figure salary as he is ‘concentrating on assisting with the investigation and inquiry’. If that isn't rubbing salt in the wounds then i don't know what is. :-( He isn't the only one by any means though but i very much doubt we will be seeing any held to account and sent to prison. :-( http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/13/grenfell-tower-executive-still-on-full-pay-despite-resignation-6926145/ https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/13/grenfell-tower-executive-robert-black-still-on-full-pay-despite-resignation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-09-14 2:34 PM LarryDavid - 2017-09-14 12:58 PM Community spirit of the area after this terrible tragedy has been phenomenal. Went to #Game4Grenfell the other day and it was amazing to see a great show for those in the community including those brave firefighters. Hope this investigation actually gets somewhere and justice is served. Couldn't agree more though i suspect it will be a total whitewash. Former executive of KCTMO Robert Black resigned from his job three months ago, yet is still being paid a six figure salary as he is ‘concentrating on assisting with the investigation and inquiry’. If that isn't rubbing salt in the wounds then i don't know what is. :-( He isn't the only one by any means though but i very much doubt we will be seeing any held to account and sent to prison. :-( http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/13/grenfell-tower-executive-still-on-full-pay-despite-resignation-6926145/ https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/13/grenfell-tower-executive-robert-black-still-on-full-pay-despite-resignation Why dont you for once just wait until the enquiry has finished rather than rubbishing it on the opening day ... Wild comments regarding future court cases or the lack of help no one ... Just wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fire-death-toll-may-be-lower-than-first-feared-police-say-11043094 ... Fraud , thefts ... Who'd have thought it possible ... The community that stands together were robbing off each other as the fire was going and others have since attempted to benefit from the tragedy ... Wheres the fella who packed his wife and kids off , packed his bags and his fridge exploded ??? ... Nice people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-09-20 6:23 AM http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fire-death-toll-may-be-lower-than-first-feared-police-say-11043094 ... Fraud , thefts ... Who'd have thought it possible ... The community that stands together were robbing off each other as the fire was going and others have since attempted to benefit from the tragedy ... Wheres the fella who packed his wife and kids off , packed his bags and his fridge exploded ??? ... Nice people The statement in the article from which you draw your conclusions appears to be “Detectives are also looking into eight cases of fraud involving people who claimed money following the disaster and four possible thefts from flats on the lower levels of the tower block”. Where in that statement is it indicated that those being investigated form part of “the community” and how does it stack up that they are in some way representative of the morals of the entire community? 12 people would equate to just under 3.5% of the residents of the tower itself (350 people having said to be living in it at the time) so if your sleight aimed at “the community” is meant to include those living in the surrounding area it appears even less justified based on the facts we have been given so far. I also don’t see that the offences being investigated mentioned as fraud or thefts were said to have occurred whilst the fire was going on as you appear to have assumed. Of those presently investigated and now facing charges of fraud are this man, who lived in Beckenham http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fraud-suspect-anh-nhu-nguyen-denies-charges-at-crown-court-hearing-10965107 and this woman from Sutton http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41161123 So far, I can find only one man convicted of anything who lived near the tower and that was for publishing a photograph of a corpse https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/i-didnt-do-anything-wrong-man-who-posted-picture-of-dead-grenfell-victim-on-facebook-shocked-at-a3637851.html I suggest that you ought to follow your own advice Antony and just wait until these investigations are complete before drawing any conclusions. Veronica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepe63xnotuse Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 For heaven's sake Veronica, why on earth did you even respond to such a post...? It was clearly just another of his 6-6.30am Bile-bulletins, posted with the intention of goading others(usually Bulleyguy) into a response, in the hope it'd help fill his day... They waste enough of their own time, don't let the forum's bitter, resentful time-sponges waste too much of yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-09-20 11:08 AM antony1969 - 2017-09-20 6:23 AM http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fire-death-toll-may-be-lower-than-first-feared-police-say-11043094 ... Fraud , thefts ... Who'd have thought it possible ... The community that stands together were robbing off each other as the fire was going and others have since attempted to benefit from the tragedy ... Wheres the fella who packed his wife and kids off , packed his bags and his fridge exploded ??? ... Nice people The statement in the article from which you draw your conclusions appears to be “Detectives are also looking into eight cases of fraud involving people who claimed money following the disaster and four possible thefts from flats on the lower levels of the tower block”. Where in that statement is it indicated that those being investigated form part of “the community” and how does it stack up that they are in some way representative of the morals of the entire community? 12 people would equate to just under 3.5% of the residents of the tower itself (350 people having said to be living in it at the time) so if your sleight aimed at “the community” is meant to include those living in the surrounding area it appears even less justified based on the facts we have been given so far. I also don’t see that the offences being investigated mentioned as fraud or thefts were said to have occurred whilst the fire was going on as you appear to have assumed. Of those presently investigated and now facing charges of fraud are this man, who lived in Beckenham http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fraud-suspect-anh-nhu-nguyen-denies-charges-at-crown-court-hearing-10965107 and this woman from Sutton http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41161123 So far, I can find only one man convicted of anything who lived near the tower and that was for publishing a photograph of a corpse https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/i-didnt-do-anything-wrong-man-who-posted-picture-of-dead-grenfell-victim-on-facebook-shocked-at-a3637851.html I suggest that you ought to follow your own advice Antony and just wait until these investigations are complete before drawing any conclusions. Veronica I don't think folk would be running into the building past the police and fire crews to rob do you Veronica so I think it's fair to assume the thefts were carried out by others in the building , in effect like I said by folk from the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 pepe63 - 2017-09-20 12:29 PM For heaven's sake Veronica, why on earth did you even respond to such a post...? It was clearly just another of his 6-6.30am Bile-bulletins, posted with the intention of goading others(usually Bulleyguy) into a response, in the hope it'd help fill his day... They waste enough of their own time, don't let the forum's bitter, resentful time-sponges waste too much of yours... Strange that you choose to publicly have a go at Veronica regarding my post which you obviously find upsetting "for heaven's sake" ... May I suggest next time PM your target with your drama queen rollicking if you don't want the thread to continue ... By the way it looks like I've posted 700 or so more posts than you over the seven years we've both been on here ... Do the maths as to how many that works out more than you per day over that time ? ... If I spend too much time on here then someone else does too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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