antony1969 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:17 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise I'd say what's wrong with that statement is the bit where you said "for many". There have been some tragic cases I will grant you but they are not in such numbers as to support that part of that statement. They don't all have to of taken part in an honour killing to support it or believe its above British law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:17 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise I'd say what's wrong with that statement is the bit where you said "for many". There have been some tragic cases I will grant you but they are not in such numbers as to support that part of that statement. They don't all have to of taken part in an honour killing to support it or believe its above British law That’s true Antony but is there reliable evidence which would indicate that a certain proportion of Muslims would defend or even support honour killing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:17 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise I'd say what's wrong with that statement is the bit where you said "for many". There have been some tragic cases I will grant you but they are not in such numbers as to support that part of that statement. They don't all have to of taken part in an honour killing to support it or believe its above British law That’s true Antony but is there reliable evidence which would indicate that a certain proportion of Muslims would defend or even support honour killing? Try Turkey ... Traditionally a more Liberal Muslim country when compared to many ... 1 in 4 support honour killings https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/muslim-honor-killings-statistics/ ... Don't know if thats enough ... What percentage supporting it would be enough for you ??? They all read the same book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:49 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:17 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise I'd say what's wrong with that statement is the bit where you said "for many". There have been some tragic cases I will grant you but they are not in such numbers as to support that part of that statement. They don't all have to of taken part in an honour killing to support it or believe its above British law That’s true Antony but is there reliable evidence which would indicate that a certain proportion of Muslims would defend or even support honour killing? Try Turkey ... Traditionally a more Liberal Muslim country when compared to many ... 1 in 4 support honour killings https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/muslim-honor-killings-statistics/ ... Don't know if thats enough ... What percentage supporting it would be enough for you ??? They all read the same book Should have said "in the UK". Last time I looked we weren't part of Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:54 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:49 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:17 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise I'd say what's wrong with that statement is the bit where you said "for many". There have been some tragic cases I will grant you but they are not in such numbers as to support that part of that statement. They don't all have to of taken part in an honour killing to support it or believe its above British law That’s true Antony but is there reliable evidence which would indicate that a certain proportion of Muslims would defend or even support honour killing? Try Turkey ... Traditionally a more Liberal Muslim country when compared to many ... 1 in 4 support honour killings https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/muslim-honor-killings-statistics/ ... Don't know if thats enough ... What percentage supporting it would be enough for you ??? They all read the same book Should have said "in the UK". Last time I looked we weren't part of Turkey. Sorry ... They read a different book don't they ??? ... Here you go 1 in 10 according to the BBC in 2006 ... Be more now you can bet http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5311244.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Honour punishments come in many different shapes ... Assault , kidnap , rape , forced abortion , abduction , killings , false imprisonment ... Thats without mentioning FGM and forced marriage ... All really , really nice stuff aren't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-04 8:03 PM Honour punishments come in many different shapes ... Assault , kidnap , rape , forced abortion , abduction , killings , false imprisonment ... Thats without mentioning FGM and forced marriage ... All really , really nice stuff aren't they 11 years old an refers to a poll on the BBC's Asian network covering all religions associated with Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:54 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:49 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:21 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 7:17 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise I'd say what's wrong with that statement is the bit where you said "for many". There have been some tragic cases I will grant you but they are not in such numbers as to support that part of that statement. They don't all have to of taken part in an honour killing to support it or believe its above British law That’s true Antony but is there reliable evidence which would indicate that a certain proportion of Muslims would defend or even support honour killing? Try Turkey ... Traditionally a more Liberal Muslim country when compared to many ... 1 in 4 support honour killings https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/muslim-honor-killings-statistics/ ... Don't know if thats enough ... What percentage supporting it would be enough for you ??? They all read the same book Should have said "in the UK". Last time I looked we weren't part of Turkey. No we aren't.......but Antony is left clutching at straws yet again, so typically moves the goal posts as per normal. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 5:19 PM *-)*-) What bit of "...providing the will is signed in accordance with the requirements set out in the Wills Act 1837” can you not understand? And this is applicable to all of Sharia laws...they still have to adhere to British law. I notice you ignored commenting about Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia, so i can see it certainly did prove too awkward for you to discuss. Interesting......why am i not surprised at that? Which bit of the law society doing a U turn don't you understand? ;-) .......... If what they were doing was irrelevant why change? >:-) ........ Have Halakha, Beth Din or the Jewish council asked the law society to change their advice? :-| ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 pelmetman - 2017-12-04 8:48 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 5:19 PM *-)*-) What bit of "...providing the will is signed in accordance with the requirements set out in the Wills Act 1837” can you not understand? And this is applicable to all of Sharia laws...they still have to adhere to British law. I notice you ignored commenting about Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia, so i can see it certainly did prove too awkward for you to discuss. Interesting......why am i not surprised at that? Which bit of the law society doing a U turn don't you understand? ;-) .......... If what they were doing was irrelevant why change? >:-) ........ Have Halakha, Beth Din or the Jewish council asked the law society to change their advice? :-| ....... That's headline spin the media put on it whilst burying factual truth deeper in the article so people like you wouldn't grasp it. You still can't figure it even now can you? Sharia laws do not and never will overrule British law as that's what governs the country, just as in any other country. You aren't going to have women banned from driving etc like you seem to believe. Your rampant Islamaphobia borders on insanity. I'd post up some informative links but as with your pal, it's pretty much knocking on wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 9:11 PMpelmetman - 2017-12-04 8:48 PMBulletguy - 2017-12-04 5:19 PM *-)*-) What bit of "...providing the will is signed in accordance with the requirements set out in the Wills Act 1837” can you not understand? And this is applicable to all of Sharia laws...they still have to adhere to British law.I notice you ignored commenting about Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia, so i can see it certainly did prove too awkward for you to discuss.Interesting......why am i not surprised at that?Which bit of the law society doing a U turn don't you understand? ;-) ..........If what they were doing was irrelevant why change? >:-) ........Have Halakha, Beth Din or the Jewish council asked the law society to change their advice? :-| .......That's headline spin the media put on it whilst burying factual truth deeper in the article so people like you wouldn't grasp it. You still can't figure it even now can you? Sharia laws do not and never will overrule British law as that's what governs the country, just as in any other country. You aren't going to have women banned from driving etc like you seem to believe. Your rampant Islamaphobia borders on insanity. I'd post up some informative links but as with your pal, it's pretty much knocking on wood. I will agree that in a court of Law, the law of the land, Sharia law will/does not act as the over riding legal process and authority. However in some regions of the UK Sharia 'law' (termed 'Council' presumably to placate the PC brigade) is indeed enforced amongst certain communities. This article might enlighten you somewhat:https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce Women banned from driving? Yes.Women banned from going out unless wearing hijab or whatever the husband/family male elder approves of? YesBanned from being out alone... not chaperoned? YesBanned from learning English? YesBelief in honour punishments/killings? YesForced marriages? Yes Do a bit of research and your eyes might open a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 RogerC - 2017-12-04 9:29 PM I will agree that in a court of Law, the law of the land, Sharia law will/does not act as the over riding legal process and authority. However in some regions of the UK Sharia 'law' (termed 'Council' presumably to placate the PC brigade) is indeed enforced amongst certain communities. This article might enlighten you somewhat: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce Women banned from driving? Yes. Women banned from going out unless wearing hijab or whatever the husband/family male elder approves of? Yes Banned from being out alone... not chaperoned? Yes Banned from learning English? Yes Belief in honour punishments/killings? Yes Forced marriages? Yes Do a bit of research and your eyes might open a little. Roger, the examples you are quoting do not specifically relate to laws in the UK at all.....you are using countries outside the UK to push your narrative! Hells teeth even Saudi overturned their ban on women driving!!! Where on planet earth have you been living??!!! "Women banned from going out unless wearing hijab or whatever the husband/family male elder approves of".........personally i don't see any issue with the Hijab at all. In fact my mother often used to wear similar head attire when gardening, not unlike the Queen when wandering the grounds of Balmoral. It's virtually identical!! "Banned from being out alone/unchaperoned".....this is an absolute nonsense and i'm staggered you actually believe that!! "Banned from learning English".......absolute rubbish. Once again, staggered you actually believe that! Please explain to me why so many Muslim children in schools, all learning and speaking English some of whom often go on to Universities and gain degrees? Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it. There was an excellent documentary covering the subject a couple of years ago which i watched (some people would not.....naturally) and explained by an Asian Chief Constable who had personal experience so it was very informative. Forced marriage....or arranged marriage? I don't know anyone who has gone through a forced marriage though know it exists and as with honour killings, there are laws in place under UK law preventing it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/forcedmarriage/crime_1.shtml Arranged marriage i do know someone who went through that. They married in 1981 and 36 years later, still married and now have a family of three children. Oh, and his wife drives and doesn't wear a hijab. Shocking stuff eh? My eyes are well open thank you but i can see yours remain very firmly shut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Information here on comparisons between Sharia and Beth Din religious courts. Conclusion The ISC’s article concludes that: “…there is little difference between the practices of the Islamic Sharia Council and the Beth Din, specifically to policies regarding women and procedure… It is hoped that this article has demonstrated that the practices and procedures of the Islamic Sharia Council are similar to that of the Beth Din’s.” http://equalandfree.org/wp-content/files_mf/1445508836YisroelGreenberg.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 9:11 PM pelmetman - 2017-12-04 8:48 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 5:19 PM *-)*-) What bit of "...providing the will is signed in accordance with the requirements set out in the Wills Act 1837” can you not understand? And this is applicable to all of Sharia laws...they still have to adhere to British law. I notice you ignored commenting about Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia, so i can see it certainly did prove too awkward for you to discuss. Interesting......why am i not surprised at that? Which bit of the law society doing a U turn don't you understand? ;-) .......... If what they were doing was irrelevant why change? >:-) ........ Have Halakha, Beth Din or the Jewish council asked the law society to change their advice? :-| ....... That's headline spin the media put on it whilst burying factual truth deeper in the article so people like you wouldn't grasp it. You still can't figure it even now can you? Sharia laws do not and never will overrule British law as that's what governs the country, just as in any other country. You aren't going to have women banned from driving etc like you seem to believe. Your rampant Islamaphobia borders on insanity. I'd post up some informative links but as with your pal, it's pretty much knocking on wood. So the law society didn't remove the guidance? ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 RogerC - 2017-12-04 9:29 PM Do a bit of research and your eyes might open a little. Obviously Bullet didn't open your link to the Guardian (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerC Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 10:42 PMRogerC - 2017-12-04 9:29 PMI will agree that in a court of Law, the law of the land, Sharia law will/does not act as the over riding legal process and authority. However in some regions of the UK Sharia 'law' (termed 'Council' presumably to placate the PC brigade) is indeed enforced amongst certain communities. This article might enlighten you somewhat:https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorceWomen banned from driving? Yes.Women banned from going out unless wearing hijab or whatever the husband/family male elder approves of? YesBanned from being out alone... not chaperoned? YesBanned from learning English? YesBelief in honour punishments/killings? YesForced marriages? YesDo a bit of research and your eyes might open a little.Roger, the examples you are quoting do not specifically relate to laws in the UK at all.....you are using countries outside the UK to push your narrative! Hells teeth even Saudi overturned their ban on women driving!!! Where on planet earth have you been living??!!!"Women banned from going out unless wearing hijab or whatever the husband/family male elder approves of".........personally i don't see any issue with the Hijab at all. In fact my mother often used to wear similar head attire when gardening, not unlike the Queen when wandering the grounds of Balmoral. It's virtually identical!!"Banned from being out alone/unchaperoned".....this is an absolute nonsense and i'm staggered you actually believe that!! "Banned from learning English".......absolute rubbish. Once again, staggered you actually believe that! Please explain to me why so many Muslim children in schools, all learning and speaking English some of whom often go on to Universities and gain degrees?Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it. There was an excellent documentary covering the subject a couple of years ago which i watched (some people would not.....naturally) and explained by an Asian Chief Constable who had personal experience so it was very informative.Forced marriage....or arranged marriage? I don't know anyone who has gone through a forced marriage though know it exists and as with honour killings, there are laws in place under UK law preventing it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/forcedmarriage/crime_1.shtmlArranged marriage i do know someone who went through that. They married in 1981 and 36 years later, still married and now have a family of three children. Oh, and his wife drives and doesn't wear a hijab. Shocking stuff eh?My eyes are well open thank you but i can see yours remain very firmly shut! Read my post again if you would before jumping to the keyboard of irrelevance. I said: "I will agree that in a court of Law, the law of the land, Sharia law will/does not act as the over riding legal process and authority". Now what part of that is so difficult to understand? Regarding where on planet earth have I been living? Well it is clearly somewhere better informed than the myopic place you clearly reside. It is obvious that there are those within the Muslim community whereby western ways have been permitted and accepted as part of life. However there are those who clearly are so fundamentalist in their beliefs and ways that those things I mentioned are indeed part of everyday life. I don't claim it to be widespread. Thankfully it is a very small minority but nonetheless these things still exist.Denying they do exist in some families how can you deny those that, in recent years, have gone to Pakistan, India etc to carry out these despicable acts? This is a headline from The Independent 26 JULY 2017:Muslim girl 'who had throat slit in honour killing' thanked god for 'everything' days before her death The article adds:The two women were said to have been bound, gagged and kidnapped by masked men on Wednesday. They were taken to a house in Kingston-upon-Thames, south-west London, where they were both raped and Ms Dookhran was killed. The article is here:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-girl-honour-killing-throat-slit-her-name-locations-country-thank-god-everything-a7860316.html Seeing as you mentioned Saudi you might be interested in this:https://onedio.co/content/27-ridiculous-things-women-in-saudi-arabia-arent-allowed-to-do-11567 As for arranged marriage.....so you admit it happens then. Not all end as you seem to champion through your experience. Do some research and you'll find rape, assault, strict discipline, abuse etc etc of these 'brides'. Though as it clearly doesn't suit your 'ostrich' leanings towards any untoward comment relative to the Muslim community I suspect it won't happen. One last thought:Clearly not all Muslims are fundamentalist as not all Christians are complete adherents to the teachings of the Bible. However with regard to the more restrictive and controversially interpreted holy book (teachings) to deny that there are those, within the UK, who practice fundamentalist Islamist ways, who accept and abide by Sharia law within society is quite frankly deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I don't think we have a problem ... Nine terror attacks stopped this year ... 5 unfortunately not stopped ... 500 live investigations with 3000 individuals at any one time with a wider pool of 20000 subjects of interest ... Yep thats right 20000 subjects of interest ... Year on year it just keeps on growing and some folk are concerned over a couple of Donald Trump tweets ... You couldn't make it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ??? You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol) Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed. His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right." Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow. The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ??? You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol) Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed. His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right." Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow. The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 RogerC - 2017-12-05 1:02 PM Clearly not all Muslims are fundamentalist as not all Christians are complete adherents to the teachings of the Bible. However with regard to the more restrictive and controversially interpreted holy book (teachings) to deny that there are those, within the UK, who practice fundamentalist Islamist ways, who accept and abide by Sharia law within society is quite frankly deluded. 1) Muslim women aren't 'banned' from driving in UK....unless they've got a motoring ban. Some may not want to drive....big deal, so what? I know plenty of non-Muslim who don't drive, never held a licence, and don't want to learn. 2) Whats your problem with the Hijab? http://oi63.tinypic.com/2eyxrlu.jpg 2) Go to any town city with a Muslim population and you will see women shopping or picking the kids up from school every day.........same as anyone else. 3) If "banned from learning English", explain to me how so many go on to become university academics and high achievers. As for arranged marriage.....so you admit it happens then. Not all end as you seem to champion through your experience. Of course arranged marriages happen! I quoted an example i personally know of in my previous post! 36 years married, three kids and a wife who drives.......err without hijab. Terrible!! He retired from the Michelin as Manager so expect he's picks up a nice fat works pension too. Not all 'conventional' western marriages end 'happy ever after' either.....so what's your point? Do some research and you'll find rape, assault, strict discipline, abuse etc etc of these 'brides'. Oh Roger this really is scraping the barrel now!!!! (lol) You don't even need do any 'research' to find many western women subjected to rape, assaults and beatings by their violent husbands/boyfriends......even some men suffer domestic violence. Or would you sooner pretend this just doesn't exist? https://honest-ribbon.org/domestic-violence-law/refuting-40-years-of-lies-about-domestic-violence/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/battered-erin-pizzey-yes-a-bit-1272122.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/erin-pizzey-champion-of-womens-rights-says-radical-feminist-plans-to-let-victims-of-domestic-abuse-6918013.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ??? You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol) Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed. His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right." Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow. The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ??? You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 4:02 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ??? You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol) Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed. His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right." Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow. The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ??? You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol) Its quite obvious to me and a few other members on here who's got the fixation problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 antony1969 - 2017-12-05 4:04 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 4:02 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-) Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise. Sentenced.........under British law. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997 Currently banged up awaiting trial http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ... The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect. No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also. I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear. In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record. Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ??? You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol) Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed. His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right." Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow. The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ??? You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol) Its quite obvious to me and a few other members on here who's got the fixation problem Flippen 'eck you've all been busy today. Came home today from work and found all of this in my trash folder. Don't know where to begin. Like dear Scarlet I can't think can't think about it right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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