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[antony1969]

Violet1956 - 2017-12-05 6:55 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 4:04 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 4:02 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM

 

I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like

 

Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-)

 

Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise.

Sentenced.........under British law.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997

 

Currently banged up awaiting trial

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html

 

Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ...

The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect.

 

No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also.

 

I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear.

In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record.

 

Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ???

You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol)

 

Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed.

 

His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right."

 

Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow.

 

The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm....

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html

 

Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ???

You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol)

 

Its quite obvious to me and a few other members on here who's got the fixation problem

 

Flippen 'eck you've all been busy today. Came home today from work and found all of this in my trash folder. Don't know where to begin. Like dear Scarlet I can't think can't think about it right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. ;-)

 

Quite frankly my dear ... I don't give a damn

[Violet1956]

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 7:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-05 6:55 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 4:04 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 4:02 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM

 

I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like

 

Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-)

 

Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise.

Sentenced.........under British law.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997

 

Currently banged up awaiting trial

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html

 

Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ...

The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect.

 

No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also.

 

I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear.

In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record.

 

Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ???

You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol)

 

Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed.

 

His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right."

 

Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow.

 

The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm....

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html

 

Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ???

You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol)

 

Its quite obvious to me and a few other members on here who's got the fixation problem

 

Flippen 'eck you've all been busy today. Came home today from work and found all of this in my trash folder. Don't know where to begin. Like dear Scarlet I can't think can't think about it right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. ;-)

 

Quite frankly my dear ... I don't give a damn

 

No surprises there Antony ;-)

[Violet1956]

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 7:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-05 6:55 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 4:04 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 4:02 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM

 

I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like

 

Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-)

 

Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise.

Sentenced.........under British law.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997

 

Currently banged up awaiting trial

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html

 

Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ...

The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect.

 

No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also.

 

I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear.

In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record.

 

Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ???

You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol)

 

Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed.

 

His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right."

 

Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow.

 

The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm....

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html

 

Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ???

You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol)

 

Its quite obvious to me and a few other members on here who's got the fixation problem

 

Flippen 'eck you've all been busy today. Came home today from work and found all of this in my trash folder. Don't know where to begin. Like dear Scarlet I can't think can't think about it right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. ;-)

 

Quite frankly my dear ... I don't give a damn

 

No surprises there Antony ;-)

[RogerC]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:53 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 1:02 PMClearly not all Muslims are fundamentalist as not all Christians are complete adherents to the teachings of the Bible.  However with regard to the more restrictive and controversially interpreted holy book (teachings) to deny that there are those, within the UK, who practice fundamentalist Islamist ways, who accept and abide by Sharia law within society is quite frankly deluded.

1) Muslim women aren't 'banned' from driving in UK....unless they've got a motoring ban. Some may not want to drive....big deal, so what? I know plenty of non-Muslim who don't drive, never held a licence, and don't want to learn.2) Whats your problem with the Hijab? http://oi63.tinypic.com/2eyxrlu.jpg2) Go to any town city with a Muslim population and you will see women shopping or picking the kids up from school every day.........same as anyone else.3) If "banned from learning English", explain to me how so many go on to become university academics and high achievers.

As for arranged marriage.....so you admit it happens then. Not all end as you seem to champion through your experience.

Of course arranged marriages happen! I quoted an example i personally know of in my previous post! 36 years married, three kids and a wife who drives.......err without hijab. Terrible!! He retired from the Michelin as Manager so expect he's picks up a nice fat works pension too.Not all 'conventional' western marriages end 'happy ever after' either.....so what's your point?

Do some research and you'll find rape, assault, strict discipline, abuse etc etc of these 'brides'.

Oh Roger this really is scraping the barrel now!!!! (lol) You don't even need do any 'research' to find many western women subjected to rape, assaults and beatings by their violent husbands/boyfriends......even some men suffer domestic violence. Or would you sooner pretend this just doesn't exist?https://honest-ribbon.org/domestic-violence-law/refuting-40-years-of-lies-about-domestic-violence/http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/battered-erin-pizzey-yes-a-bit-1272122.htmlhttps://www.standard.co.uk/news/erin-pizzey-champion-of-womens-rights-says-radical-feminist-plans-to-let-victims-of-domestic-abuse-6918013.html

 

What planet or substance are you on?  Where did I deny there was domestic violence in society generally?  Where did I say Muslim women don't drive, or go out in public etc etc?  I was making the point that in certain sectors of the Muslim/Islamist community these restrictions/impositions are deemed acceptable because a woman is classed a chattel. 

Your arguments show you clearly can't stick to the point that women in certain sections of Muslim society are treated as chattels under Sharia law, that'some' male family members behind closed doors adhere to what they believe to be the teachings of Allah.  

Regarding the 'banned from driving'....your comment is risible or you are simply too blinded...or thick.... to understand the banning originates with the male members of the family as does the imposition of a number of other Islamic diktats not a ban under UK law......If you honestly believe that what I intended or believed was they are banned under UK law you've surely got more than a screw loose. 

Once again I will add this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-girl-honour-killing-throat-slit-her-name-locations-country-thank-god-everything-a7860316.html 

'Celine Dookhran, 19, was found stuffed in a fridge with her throat slit after a second woman who was also attacked raised the alarm from her hospital bed, a court heard on Tuesday.

The two women were said to have been bound, gagged and kidnapped by masked men on Wednesday. They were taken to a house in Kingston-upon-Thames,south-west London, where they were both raped and Ms Dookhran was killed'.

Another abhorrence perpetrated in this country primarily by Muslim society is: 'Female genital mutilation'.  It is a crime in the UK classed as a criminal assault and has been for over 30 years so why is this happening:

A case of female genital mutilation (FGM) is either discovered or treated at a medical appointment in England every hour, according to analysis of NHS statistics by a charity.

Between April 2015 and March 2016 there were 8,656 times when women or girls attended doctors' surgeries or hospitals and the problem was assessed —the equivalent of one every 61 minutes.

Now this evil practice is perpetrated by a number of different groups across the world but Amnesty International has determined that it is those of the Muslim faith that adhere to it in much greater numbers than any other.

However regardless of the argument you will no doubt put forward in defence of the Muslim community you might be interested in this article:

http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-culture/

No doubt you will come back with some inane comment designed to distort or otherwise alter the content but that's to be expected I suppose......Inshallah

 

[antony1969]

Violet1956 - 2017-12-05 7:12 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 7:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-05 6:55 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 4:04 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 4:02 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 3:52 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 3:16 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-05 6:27 AM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 8:29 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 7:05 PM

 

Bulletguy - 2017-12-04 6:50 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 6:05 PM

 

Violet1956 - 2017-12-04 5:48 PM

 

antony1969 - 2017-12-04 5:37 PM

 

I can't see a problem with Sharia Law ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.c6bfc9668805 ... Its very forward looking , modern outlook will surely be welcomed the world over ... Whats not to like

 

Ah but Antony nothing is punishable by death in our secular law. ;-)

 

Yet ... Honour killings are a price worth paying for many and above any British law they recognise.

Sentenced.........under British law.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jul/14/ukcrime

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/man-jailed-banaz-mahmod-honour-killing

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482669/Grandmother-jailed-life-honour-killing-cheating-daughter-law.html

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19608/Mother-in-law-70-will-die-in-jail-for-bride-s-honour-killing

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6832862/Honour-killing-father-convicted-of-murder-of-Tulay-Goren.html

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brother-in-law-jailed-over-honour-killing-1051997

 

Currently banged up awaiting trial

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/celine-dookhran-murder-trial-mujahid-arshid-denies-charges-kidnap-rape-slitting-throat-freezer-a7998641.html

 

Whats your point ??? ... I said honour killings are above any British law they recognise ... Once again in your rush to defend you miss the point ...

The links clearly show judicial process has followed in accordance with British law and handed out appropriate sentencing so i'm afraid your belief of 'they' (by which i assume you refer to Sharia) are 'above British law' is incorrect.

 

No mention of Halakha, Beth Din and the Jewish Councils who have overseen their laws in UK for centuries, long before Sharia? Like Pelmethead that's obviously uncomfortable for you to address also.

 

I'll give you one thing though you are very good at looking things up on the internet ... Folks addresses a speciality I hear.

In case it escaped you every British or other Commonwealth, Irish, or European citizen over 18 resident in UK must be registered on the electoral roll. It's the law which you claim to be respectful of and compulsory. Failure to register can result in fines of up to £1000 and a criminal record.

 

Sentenced in a British court doesn't mean they accept British law ... Its why they shout Allahu Akbar when sentenced for crimes like mass raping under age white girls ... What your babbling on about with your last thing I have no idea , maybe justifying snooping on other forum members address ???

You're as batsh*t bonkers as the Ally Akbur lot you obsess over. (lol)(lol)

 

Here's a Christmas story for you. A Polish-born Britain First supporter who said he wanted to “kill a Muslim” gave a Nazi salute and shouted “white power” before driving at a curry house owner.......but was so p*ssed up he failed.

 

His daughter called the police after she heard him ranting “I'm going to kill a Muslim. I'm doing it for Britain. This is how I'm going to help the country. You people cannot do anything. I am going to do it my way because that is what I think is right."

 

Police found a Nazi coin in Zakrocki's pocket and a stash of Britain First flyers and newspapers at his home in Harrow.

 

The court heard Zakrocki appeared to be "fixated" by Muslims. Hhmmmm....

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-first-supporter-van-attack-curry-house-muslim-kill-latest-a8092136.html

 

Ruddy foreigners ... Does "fixated" stretch as far as trawling the internet for someones address ???

You seem to have a very peculiar fixation and imaginative mind working overtime. Suggest you stay off the booze and stick to Horlicks or drinking chocolate. (lol)

 

Its quite obvious to me and a few other members on here who's got the fixation problem

 

Flippen 'eck you've all been busy today. Came home today from work and found all of this in my trash folder. Don't know where to begin. Like dear Scarlet I can't think can't think about it right now. If I do, I'll go crazy. I'll think about that tomorrow. ;-)

 

Quite frankly my dear ... I don't give a damn

 

No surprises there Antony ;-)

 

I don't remember that from the film ???

[Bulletguy]

RogerC - 2017-12-05 7:26 PM

 

What planet or substance are you on?

Earth......and ground coffee is my substance of choice.

 

Where did I deny there was domestic violence in society generally?

That's the problem. You specifically related only to Muslim arranged marriages by saying "you'll find rape, assault, strict discipline, abuse etc etc of these 'brides'.

 

No mention of d/v, rapes, assaults etc 'in society generally' as you've now just decided to include.

 

 

Where did I say Muslim women don't drive, or go out in public etc etc?

You did.......in your post where you went on to claim they are "banned from learning English".

 

 

I was making the point that in certain sectors of the Muslim/Islamist community these restrictions/impositions are deemed acceptable because a woman is classed a chattel.

Then what you should have said is 'SOME Muslims are more strict than other Muslims" rather than 'however in some regions of the UK Sharia 'law' is indeed enforced amongst certain communities'......which is vague at best.

 

Just an aside, but nevertheless a relevant one. My Dad would best be described as having 'Victorian values' which young people today would term 'male chauvinism'. As far as he was concerned there was 'mens work' and then there was 'womens work'. Driving a car was a 'mans job' and my mum only learned to drive after he passed away. Her job was cooking meals, keeping house and sorting myself and my sister for school etc. His job was going to work to earn money and provide. My Dad even divided the garden.....he grew vegetables for the family table, my mum grew potted plants and flowery things though Dad mowed our lawns as that was 'mans work'.

 

Was my mum a 'chattel'? Maybe you think so. She never did though, and both took their vow of 'love, honour and obey' very seriously. Married 42 years until his early and untimely death.

 

Dad was just a strict disciplinarian with high moral codes.

 

 

Your arguments show you clearly can't stick to the point that women in certain sections of Muslim society are treated as chattels under Sharia law, that'some' male family members......

You keep veering from 'some' to broadening out as 'in general' so your points lose all meaning as you're undecided on whether to cover all Muslims (as 'in general') or clearly state just 'some' as in there being a few Muslims who are more strict than others. I'm not sure why you find that so difficult to clearly state?

[RogerC]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 8:34 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 7:26 PMWhat planet or substance are you on?

Earth......and ground coffee is my substance of choice.

Where did I deny there was domestic violence in society generally?

That's the problem. You specifically related only to Muslim arranged marriages by saying "you'll find rape, assault, strict discipline, abuse etc etc of these 'brides'.No mention of d/v, rapes, assaults etc 'in society generally' as you've now just decided to include.

Where did I say Muslim women don't drive, or go out in public etc etc?

You did.......in your post where you went on to claim they are "banned from learning English".

I was making the point that in certain sectors of the Muslim/Islamist community these restrictions/impositions are deemed acceptable because a woman is classed a chattel.

Then what you should have said is 'SOME Muslims are more strict than other Muslims" rather than 'however in some regions of the UK Sharia 'law' is indeed enforced amongst certain communities'......which is vague at best.Just an aside, but nevertheless a relevant one. My Dad would best be described as having 'Victorian values' which young people today would term 'male chauvinism'. As far as he was concerned there was 'mens work' and then there was 'womens work'. Driving a car was a 'mans job' and my mum only learned to drive after he passed away. Her job was cooking meals, keeping house and sorting myself and my sister for school etc. His job was going to work to earn money and provide. My Dad even divided the garden.....he grew vegetables for the family table, my mum grew potted plants and flowery things though Dad mowed our lawns as that was 'mans work'.Was my mum a 'chattel'? Maybe you think so. She never did though, and both took their vow of 'love, honour and obey' very seriously. Married 42 years until his early and untimely death.Dad was just a strict disciplinarian with high moral codes.

Your arguments show you clearly can't stick to the point that women in certain sections of Muslim society are treated as chattels under Sharia law, that'some' male family members......

You keep veering from 'some' to broadening out as 'in general' so your points lose all meaning as you're undecided on whether to cover all Muslims (as 'in general') or clearly state just 'some' as in there being a few Muslims who are more strict than others. I'm not sure why you find that so difficult to clearly state?

I would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much.  "In some sections of Muslim society etc".  Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable, that the 'use' of a woman inside marriage is the done thing, that female mutilation is OK because it's a cultural thing, that arranged marriages are acceptable......are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?  Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick.  I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Oh and as you brought  your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:

Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....or

Your description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....it is those that deliver distorted pronouncements and deliver warped interpretations of a book that, as is demonstrated by a great many sources is one of love and peace, who cause followers to behave in ways, and commit acts so despicable   that are simply abhorrent in the 21st century.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore. 

[Guest pelmetman]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 8:34 PM

 

RogerC - 2017-12-05 7:26 PM

 

What planet or substance are you on?

Earth......and ground coffee is my substance of choice.

 

Reality is his problem Roger (lol) .......

[Bulletguy]

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PM

I would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

 

 

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."

 

You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

 

 

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

 

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

 

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

 

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

 

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:

Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....or

Your description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

 

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

[RogerC]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

It is you who appears unable to accept the heinous acts and questionable standards that exist in certain sectors of Muslim society.  You said it yourself that you require 'specifics'.  Are the inserted articles covering murder, rape, kidnapping, throat slitting in the UK insufficiently specific for you?

Regarding parents it was you who introduced that aspect so don't come over all protective because someone else sees, from reading your description of their lifestyle, that it was a rather male dominant relationship.  However it was you who put it into the arena in a pathetic attempt to draw a comparison/parallel and dismiss my use of the word 'chattel'.....looks like it's backfired on you now doesn't it.

Oh and if you can't understand the meaning of the word 'chattel' I suggest you look it up and then check out the word in the context of the Koran.

As for arguing the semantics of forced/arranged marriages there is, in a great many cases no difference.  The female has little, or indeed more often than not, no say in the process therefore arranged/forced is one in the same thing.

Regarding the issue of child marriages and the comment you made.......Just because there are child brides elsewhere doesn't justify the religious teachings of the Koran that delivers proclamations that 12-13 year old children are able to marry, that puberty is the determining factor in the age when marriage is permitted.  Wherever it is permitted it is clearly wrong and your insertion of details of this practice in the US does not detract from that fact.

Lastly....you say I am Islamaphobic.  I say I am  not in the slightest.  I have no problem with people practising their religious beliefs per se.  However I draw the line at the point where teachings of that religion bastardises the peaceful intent of that religion, where bigoted Imams preach hate and destruction of all non believers, where kids are turned into suicide bombers, where women are treated as belongings, forced to wear certain approved clothes,  denied freedom to venture out alone, where it is an accepted way of life that boys are for pleasure and women/girls are for babies, where religious belief allows for adulterous women to be stoned to death.....need I go on?  Just because it doesn't necessarily happen in the UK it does happen elsewhere in the world in the name of Islam, in the Muslim world and it is that which I can not and will not accept.  Now if that is Islamaphobic then yes I suppose I am.  However given your continued defensive stance with regard to this topic what does it make you?

[antony1969]

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

 

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PM

I would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

 

 

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."

 

You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

 

 

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

 

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

 

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

 

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

 

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:

Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....or

Your description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

 

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

 

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

[Bulletguy]

RogerC - 2017-12-06 12:58 PM

 

It is you who appears unable to accept the heinous acts and questionable standards that exist in certain sectors of Muslim society.....

Well as you've now finally admitted, though it's been like pulling teeth.....

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PM

Not all are bad...

...and i've emboldened and put it from the post you made so everyone can see you finally accept not all Muslims are terrorists and God knows what else you throw in your mix. You've quoted a few times now, "there are approximately 2 billion Muslims on this planet and they appear to be rather quiet when their religion is being demonstrated to the world as one of violence and intolerance..." Can you not see how crass that comes over??

 

I'm genuinely curious about this. Whenever anything showing a group or section of Muslim people in a positive light, why you can you not bring yourself to comment positively? Like the other pair you seem only to ever post about them in a disparaging derogatory hateful manner. Why?

 

You complain that "Muslims appear to be rather quiet when their religion is being demonstrated to the world as one of violence and intolerance".......yet when any do stand up and speak out YOU are 'rather quiet'. Why is that Roger? I'd like to know.

 

Arguing the difference between forced or arranged marriage is much more than semantics Roger, but i suspect you knew that really didn't you? In fact there is a chasm of difference.

 

A forced marriage should not be confused with an arranged marriage.

 

‘Forced’ and ‘Arranged’ marriages are two entirely different practices and should be treated as such. The terms are often used interchangeably which results in confusion over the distinction between the two.

 

It is important to clear up definitions of key terms around the issue.

 

Arranged marriages are accepted in many communities. Although the parties to the marriage may not have chosen their future partner, they enter the marriage willingly and freely, both parties involved have the final say and can decline at any point; this is not the case with a forced marriage.

 

Victims of a forced marriage are often subjected to threats, violence, physical and emotional abuse, abducted and segregated. Some victims are tricked in to traveling abroad, often believing they are going on holiday or visiting a sick relative, only to find themselves betrothed and refused travel back home until the marriage has taken place. Both males and females can be the victims of a forced marriage, as can those who lack capacity and understanding to give consent to marriage.

 

The same article goes on to mention the Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act 2007 as part of the Family Law Act 1996. Laws which are applicable withing this country.

 

https://www.farleys.com/difference-arranged-forced-marriage/

 

https://www.highspeedtraining.co.uk/hub/arranged-marriage-forced-marriage/

 

https://sliceofsimplicity.com/2011/08/06/arranged-marriage-vs-forced-marriage/

[RogerC]

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 2:39 PM

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

Proud to be called one if it demonstrates just how strongly I despise a religion that can permit this to be carried out in the name of it's law.....SHARIA:

https://athe1stp0werblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-img_20141004_081100.jpg

[antony1969]

Sharia says about homosexuality ... Homosexuality is a vile form of fornication , punishable by death ... Gosh ... You wouldn't believe it from the religion of peace would ya

[John52]

Seems a long time since the Brexiteers were celebrating Theresa May being the first to visit Trump in the White House?

Who needs Europe when we have got Trump on our side *-)

Perhaps the other countries leaders weren't so keen?

[Barryd999]

RogerC - 2017-12-06 5:31 PM

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 2:39 PM

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

Proud to be called one if it demonstrates just how strongly I despise a religion that can permit this to be carried out in the name of it's law.....SHARIA:

https://athe1stp0werblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-img_20141004_081100.jpg

This is the problem with people sitting at computers and believing everything they read on the Internet, especially if it suits their agenda. Look a bit further and you will see that story is fake and its been around since 2004. https://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.aspIt doesnt matter though. Just like Trump tweeting fake stories about Muslims beating up cripples or the video of so called Migrants pushing an innocent woman down the steps in a train station. Doesnt matter if its real or not. People will lap it up, re tweet it in some kind of feeding frenzy. Very hard to know whats real and whats not these days.

[antony1969]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-06 6:32 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-06 5:31 PM

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 2:39 PM

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

Proud to be called one if it demonstrates just how strongly I despise a religion that can permit this to be carried out in the name of it's law.....SHARIA:

https://athe1stp0werblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-img_20141004_081100.jpg

This is the problem with people sitting at computers and believing everything they read on the Internet, especially if it suits their agenda. Look a bit further and you will see that story is fake and its been around since 2004. https://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.aspIt doesnt matter though. Just like Trump tweeting fake stories about Muslims beating up cripples or the video of so called Migrants pushing an innocent woman down the steps in a train station. Doesnt matter if its real or not. People will lap it up, re tweet it in some kind of feeding frenzy. Very hard to know whats real and whats not these days.

Take one subject ... Muslims ... Thousands of Muslim videos exist on the internet , how many are real who knows ... Just like how many of the stories regarding POTUS Trump on the web are real ... How much of the Brexit rubbish is real ... How much of the rubbish about Jeremy Corbyn is real ... Depends what you want ... If you hate Muslims then you'll believe and if you hate POTUS Trump you will believe ... Get the drift ... Its not just your Muslim types that are maybe at times stitched up ... Must say that link of yours really proves nothing ... Doesn't show the boy walking away after unhurt or nothing like that

[RogerC]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-06 6:32 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-06 5:31 PM

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 2:39 PM

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

Proud to be called one if it demonstrates just how strongly I despise a religion that can permit this to be carried out in the name of it's law.....SHARIA:

https://athe1stp0werblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-img_20141004_081100.jpg

This is the problem with people sitting at computers and believing everything they read on the Internet, especially if it suits their agenda. Look a bit further and you will see that story is fake and its been around since 2004. https://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.aspIt doesnt matter though. Just like Trump tweeting fake stories about Muslims beating up cripples or the video of so called Migrants pushing an innocent woman down the steps in a train station. Doesnt matter if its real or not. People will lap it up, re tweet it in some kind of feeding frenzy. Very hard to know whats real and whats not these days.

Barry.....noted and accepted it is fake.  Thank you.

How about this to correct the matter:

https://i0.wp.com/www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/yemencrucifixion-vi1.jpg

Crucifixion is a hadd punishment, stipulated in the Quran, Sura 5:33, and therefore an obligatory part of Shariah.”  The crucified man, branded as Christian, is Saleh Ahmed Saleh Al-Jamely who was executed on February 12, 2012 after being convicted by a court managed by Ansar Al-Shari’a accused of being a “Saudi spy” and placing two chips in two cars that were later targeted by U.S. drones.

Nice people these Islamist adherents aren't they?  Like hell they are.

[Barryd999]

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 7:08 PM

Barryd999 - 2017-12-06 6:32 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-06 5:31 PM

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 2:39 PM

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

Proud to be called one if it demonstrates just how strongly I despise a religion that can permit this to be carried out in the name of it's law.....SHARIA:

https://athe1stp0werblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-img_20141004_081100.jpg

This is the problem with people sitting at computers and believing everything they read on the Internet, especially if it suits their agenda. Look a bit further and you will see that story is fake and its been around since 2004. https://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.aspIt doesnt matter though. Just like Trump tweeting fake stories about Muslims beating up cripples or the video of so called Migrants pushing an innocent woman down the steps in a train station. Doesnt matter if its real or not. People will lap it up, re tweet it in some kind of feeding frenzy. Very hard to know whats real and whats not these days.

Take one subject ... Muslims ... Thousands of Muslim videos exist on the internet , how many are real who knows ... Just like how many of the stories regarding POTUS Trump on the web are real ... How much of the Brexit rubbish is real ... How much of the rubbish about Jeremy Corbyn is real ... Depends what you want ... If you hate Muslims then you'll believe and if you hate POTUS Trump you will believe ... Get the drift ... Its not just your Muslim types that are maybe at times stitched up ... Must say that link of yours really proves nothing ... Doesn't show the boy walking away after unhurt or nothing like that

Actually it does show the boy unhurt afterwards. Its still appalling though what they were doing. I agree with you Antony. The net is just full of fake crap. You yourself on another forum have seen how easy it is for people to photoshop images of others to suit their agenda. (lol) Take that photo of Dave that some people were offended about me posing as a drunk Father Christmas. Ill own up now and say its not really him. :DJoking aside and considering the title of this thread surely everyone must be in agreement that it was wrong for Trump to post those tweets. How on earth can we ever hope to bridge gaps and build fences when the most powerful man in the world is doing stuff like that? Unless of course thats exactly what him and some others do actually want. To breed hate and further contempt. I was shot down the other day for suggesting such things but you have to ask yourself if there is an element of truth in it. They rant on about Muslims becoming radicalised but this kind of bile is just as likely to radicalise non Muslims and entice violence. How can that help anyone?

[antony1969]

Barryd999 - 2017-12-06 10:30 PM

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 7:08 PM

Barryd999 - 2017-12-06 6:32 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-06 5:31 PM

antony1969 - 2017-12-06 2:39 PM

Bulletguy - 2017-12-05 11:38 PM

RogerC - 2017-12-05 10:06 PMI would reason that due to the vagaries of the written word anyone of sound mind and able skills of reading and understanding would have been able to deduce that I had already said as much. "In some sections of Muslim society etc".

As i said in the previous post you would serve your points better if you made clear specific points rather than sweeping generalisations.....at best it would be more reasoned and rational, at worst it would probably ruin your narrative.

Anyway you have clearly displayed your unflinching unswerving defence of all things Islamist and/or Muslim so I hope you sleep well knowing you have not in the least demonstrated an understanding or acceptance that there is an element of society within the UK and other countries that feel honour killings are acceptable...

Only yesterday i quite clearly wrote in a post, "Honour killings do exist and i'd not deny that, just as many moderate Muslims acknowledge it exists but do not engage in it."You're coming over very aggressive and agitated now Roger. Was it that last part of that which 'upset' you?

... that arranged marriages are acceptable..

Yes as i've already quoted an example of which i know personally. Unlike you i'm able to see the difference between arranged marriage and forced, the latter of which you seem to have dropped now.

...are you aware that some 'brides' are as young as eight or nine years of age?

Don't know of any in UK no, it's illegal. Only one i do know of was Jerry Lee Lewis who brought his 13 year old wife on his first UK tour in 1958, but ended up getting sent back to the US after three concerts. Child marriage is still found in southern US. Look up the Pew Research centre. Between 2000 and 2015, 87% of child marriages in the U.S. involved underage girls, while 13% involved underage boys.

Yes I'm sure you do because you know arranged marriages are OK don't you.

See above re. arranged marriage. Happy with the Hijab now i take it as you've dropped banging on about that?

Bottom line....your failure to admit there is anything seriously wrong within the Islam/Muslim community because of warped teachings and adherence to those teachings reputedly emanating from the Koran makes me sick. I seriously hope you are never ever placed in a position of trust over some poor unsuspecting Islam following/Muslim female because you have clearly demonstrated that you understand nothing with regard to the evils that that faith perpetrates.

Bottom line Roger is you're getting increasingly desperate in pushing your Muslim narrative it's lost all rhyme and reason to the point you're openly Islamophobic per se. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who talks about bias.....and then posts streams of vitriol.

Oh and as you brought your parents into the arena I can deduce two things:Either I feel so very sorry for your mother having to live under such a totalitarian regimen....orYour description of your father as a disciplinarian with sound moral values is that if he is aware of your indescribable ability to see beyond the end of your Muslim defensive nose he is turning in his grave.

If my mother was alive to read such drivel as that, she'd laugh.......second thoughts she wouldn't even give your rants air space! Don't feel sorry for me.....feel sorry for yourself who was unable to post back without making disparaging comments about my parents, both of who are long deceased. You must feel so proud of yourself for that.

Wake up and smell the coffee.....

I like my fresh ground coffee.

Not all are bad....but unfortunately the numbers that are are too significant to ignore.

The first common sense fact you've uttered. Just four three letter words after a long wild rant but you finally got there. I'm impressed.

Big up to Roger on making it to Bullets Islamaphobic Club ... You finally got here ... To be called such names by someone who defends those that do stuff that would turn most decent folks stomachs is indeed an honour

Proud to be called one if it demonstrates just how strongly I despise a religion that can permit this to be carried out in the name of it's law.....SHARIA:

https://athe1stp0werblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-img_20141004_081100.jpg

This is the problem with people sitting at computers and believing everything they read on the Internet, especially if it suits their agenda. Look a bit further and you will see that story is fake and its been around since 2004. https://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.aspIt doesnt matter though. Just like Trump tweeting fake stories about Muslims beating up cripples or the video of so called Migrants pushing an innocent woman down the steps in a train station. Doesnt matter if its real or not. People will lap it up, re tweet it in some kind of feeding frenzy. Very hard to know whats real and whats not these days.

Take one subject ... Muslims ... Thousands of Muslim videos exist on the internet , how many are real who knows ... Just like how many of the stories regarding POTUS Trump on the web are real ... How much of the Brexit rubbish is real ... How much of the rubbish about Jeremy Corbyn is real ... Depends what you want ... If you hate Muslims then you'll believe and if you hate POTUS Trump you will believe ... Get the drift ... Its not just your Muslim types that are maybe at times stitched up ... Must say that link of yours really proves nothing ... Doesn't show the boy walking away after unhurt or nothing like that

Actually it does show the boy unhurt afterwards. Its still appalling though what they were doing. I agree with you Antony. The net is just full of fake crap. You yourself on another forum have seen how easy it is for people to photoshop images of others to suit their agenda. (lol) Take that photo of Dave that some people were offended about me posing as a drunk Father Christmas. Ill own up now and say its not really him. :DJoking aside and considering the title of this thread surely everyone must be in agreement that it was wrong for Trump to post those tweets. How on earth can we ever hope to bridge gaps and build fences when the most powerful man in the world is doing stuff like that? Unless of course thats exactly what him and some others do actually want. To breed hate and further contempt. I was shot down the other day for suggesting such things but you have to ask yourself if there is an element of truth in it. They rant on about Muslims becoming radicalised but this kind of bile is just as likely to radicalise non Muslims and entice violence. How can that help anyone?

No way ... Thats not Dave ... Its his twin then ... I know having been the victim of image abuse in the past and the distress that causes just how easy it is to have ones image altered ... The image you posted does not show a boy after the event , it shows a boy in a picture that could have been before and yes it could have been after ... Doesn't clear anything up for me ... Regarding POTUS Trump and the possible feelings many have these days towards Muslims he doesn't in any way radicalise non Muslims , Muslims radicalise non Muslims through terrorism , pedophile gangs , hate preaching , Sharia , FGM , high criminality , non integration and so on and so on ... POTUS Trump and a couple of tweets aint your problem Barry