Bulletguy Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-10 5:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-10 4:25 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-10 9:20 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-09 6:36 PM It is worrying that so important a decision can have been taken on the basis of so much misunderstanding. There's no misunderstanding 40 years of experience of the European Empire project ;-) .................... I'm afraid that in your case there seems to be is considerable scope for misunderstanding what has happened over those 40 years, as I pointed out in my above reply to your comments. I'm sorry, but you can't expect to be taken seriously if you claim to understand, while demonstrating the complete opposite. Yet you expect us to take you 13% seriously? *-) .......... Fortunately the UK has demonstrated we are completely opposite to you Barry & Bullet >:-) ........ Maybe you should call yourselves the "BBB boy's" :D ........ Perhaps not.... those initials could easily be mistaken for some other kinda club 8-) ....... You're hopelessly lost in a mire of madness. How do you expect anyone to take anything you post seriously when you continually trot out tripe? Have you been at the bottle again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-10 7:13 PM Barryd999 - 2018-05-10 4:57 PM Here you go!!! Senior Brexiteer and first class lying idiot Dan Hannan today admitted leaving the European Union is “not working out” the way it was planned. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/senior-brexiteer-admits-leaving-eu-is-not-quite-going-to-plan-a3835561.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1525954149 Planned!! Planned? Did he really say that? What plan? There was no plan, just dreams, hope and blind faith and now as predicted "Project Fear" as it was wrongly labelled has come back to bite them on the arse. He now thinks we should have a Swiss type deal with access to the single market via EFTA. Yep ok. So we have to have the Customs Union as well then as we have now found out in order to continue just in time trade as well as solve the NI Border issue amongst other things. So thats basically errr, being in the EU then. This however could solve the problem of what to do with the Swivel eyed rabid Brexiteers in the Tory Party and ERG for Theresa May as Switzerland has Planned euthanasia. :D Hmmmmmmmm! Thought so. :-) From Wiki: "The Court of Justice of the European Free Trade Association States (more commonly known as the EFTA Court) is a supranational judicial body responsible for the three EFTA members who are also members of the European Economic Area (EEA): Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. As members of the EEA, the three countries have access to the internal market of the European Union. Consequently, they are subject to a number of European laws. Enforcement of these laws would normally be carried out by the European Court of Justice (ECJ), however there were legal difficulties in giving Union institutions powers over non-members so the EFTA Court was set up to perform this role instead of the ECJ." So, as Daniel said, no ECJ, but, as he omitted to say, the "EFTA Court" instead. Did Daniel know? Just, to quote Dave P, askin'! :-D Just think, four whole countries! Switzerland; pop just over 8 million: Norway; pop just over 5 million: Iceland; pop 322,000: and Lichtenstein; pop 37,000. How they/the EU would react to the UK with its 66.5 million population transferring into EFTA, is anyone's guess. It increasingly begins to look as though the Brexit ideal is proving far more complex and difficult that any of its arch proponents foresaw (mostly due to a lack of foresight), so we may end up having to leave in name only so that they can save face. If that is what it comes to, I just hope the rabbit hole we all get shoved down is a bit more sane than Alice found Wonderland! Still, there'll be plenty of Mad Hatters around once we arrive! :-D I wonder how the other 126 countries in the world cope? *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-11 10:00 AM I wonder how the other 126 countries in the world cope? *-) .......... I get the impression that a lot of them would like to come and live in Europe. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 malc d - 2018-05-11 10:45 AM pelmetman - 2018-05-11 10:00 AM I wonder how the other 126 countries in the world cope? *-) .......... I get the impression that a lot of them would like to come and live in Europe. ;-) :D :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-11 10:00 AM...................I wonder how the other 126 countries in the world cope? *-) .......... Ah yes, you like those 126 countries, Dave, though I have no idea where the number comes from. There are 192 countries in the world excluding the Holy See and Palestine. Apart from London, there are no cities in the UK with populations exceeding 1 million (Birmingham is next largest with just under 1 million). So, if one takes 1 million as representing a sensible population for a country with which we might do a statistically significant volume of trade, there are only 156 countries, of which 25 (including UK) are in the EU. So, now we're down to 131. But, what are the trade prospects for UK with those countries? The UK has a GDP of approximately 2.3 trillion USD (5 in the world league). Of the other EU 27, this is only exceeded by Germany, at approximately 3.3 trillion USD (4 in the world league). At the other end of the scale is Malta, with 11 billion USD, (129 in the world league). At the top of the world rankings are the US, China, and Japan. All well and good. So, who actually has the largest negative annual trade deficit in the world? The USA, at 776 billion USD. So, they'll be looking for loads more imports from Britain, won't they? :-) Who has the second highest negative annual trade deficit in the world? The UK, at 166 billion USD (on 2017 estimated figures, I kid you not!). Who has the largest trade surplus in the world? China, at 426 billion USD. Who has the second largest trade surplus in the world? Germany, at 297 billion USD. Now look at the rest of the EU: Ireland $137,090 Netherlands $91,000 Italy $72,400 Belgium $57,400 Sweden $34,800 Poland $31,900 Denmark $30,910 Norway $29,780 Czech Republic $25,000 Austria $18,900 Hungary $12,110 Finland $12,000 Slovakia $9,100 Slovenia $4,710 Portugal $900 Estonia $560 Lithuania $460 Luxembourg $70 Bulgaria -$420 Latvia -$1,260 Romania -$1,530 Cyprus -$3,137 Croatia -$7,630 Greece -$13,500 Spain -$31,900 France -$35,000 It isn't just trade we need, it is exports, and a lot of them. The EU already has a number of trade deals through which the UK, as a member state, can trade - see here http://tinyurl.com/oknw2oy Note also the agreements not yet in force but under negotiation, or signed but not yet ratified. So, no advantage to us from agreements with those countries, but considerable potential disadvantage if we are unable to replicate those same deals. The point is, I don't see where these much trumpeted UK trade deals are going to come from post Brexit. To whom are we going to sell this 166 billion USD mountain of goods? Even less do I see how they are going to compensate for the potential loss of trade from leaving the EU and excluding ourselves from the external deals the EU has already done, and is presently negotiating. Glib one-line comments don't provide any answers. That is why I remain a Brexit sceptic. No-one has presented convincing arguments that go anywhere near convincing me that we shall not experience a very prolonged recession if we leave. Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... Maybe you need to buy one of these Brian ready for when we leave, I'm sure it'll be a comfort to you ;-) ...... https://www.zazzle.co.uk/eu_flag_brexit_fleece_blanket-256646650614147755 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... Maybe you need to buy one of these Brian ready for when we leave, I'm sure it'll be a comfort to you ;-) ...... https://www.zazzle.co.uk/eu_flag_brexit_fleece_blanket-256646650614147755 Im sending you one of these Dave to put your Cava in when you go shopping. No, Dont thank me https://tinyurl.com/Daves-Shopping-Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) He hits the bottle early morning and his abacus must be broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-12 10:57 AM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... Maybe you need to buy one of these Brian ready for when we leave, I'm sure it'll be a comfort to you ;-) ...... https://www.zazzle.co.uk/eu_flag_brexit_fleece_blanket-256646650614147755 Im sending you one of these Dave to put your Cava in when you go shopping. No, Dont thank me https://tinyurl.com/Daves-Shopping-Bag How kind ;-) ......I can carry my cassette in it to the dump point B-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) I did say etc etc etc ;-) ........Besides if we're in such dire straights as Brian seems to think 8-) ........ How can we afford to be a net contributor to a expensive club???? *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-12 1:38 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) He hits the bottle early morning and his abacus must be broke. That's a foul slur!.......I never hit the bottle until the suns over the yardarm 8-) ......... Somewhere :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-12 2:13 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) I did say etc etc etc ;-) ........Besides if we're in such dire straights as Brian seems to think 8-) ........ How can we afford to be a net contributor to a expensive club???? *-) ........ It's not expensive. Just 1% of our annual spend. For every pound we send to the EU we get back ten in terms of jobs, Investement, trade and growth. We are not growing now. Basically at a standstill and we have not even left yet. We are heading for basket case status just like we were when we joined. You really couldn't make it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Barryd999 - 2018-05-12 2:19 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 2:13 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) I did say etc etc etc ;-) ........Besides if we're in such dire straights as Brian seems to think 8-) ........ How can we afford to be a net contributor to a expensive club???? *-) ........ It's not expensive. Just 1% of our annual spend. For every pound we send to the EU we get back ten in terms of jobs, Investement, trade and growth. We are not growing now. Basically at a standstill and we have not even left yet. We are heading for basket case status just like we were when we joined. You really couldn't make it up Dontcha mean poorly paid jobs for EU folk from the Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Slovakia, Romania etc etc etc.......... But your right we've never had so many EU folk in our prisons >:-) ........ Progress eh? (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-12 2:13 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) I did say etc etc etc ;-) ....... Which indicates to me that you couldn't think of any more. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 malc d - 2018-05-12 4:16 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 2:13 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) I did say etc etc etc ;-) ....... Which indicates to me that you couldn't think of any more. ;-) Do I have to do everything for you Malc? *-) ....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) BTW of the top five there's 2 from the EU......UK & Germany :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-12 5:05 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 4:16 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 2:13 PM malc d - 2018-05-12 12:31 PM pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .......... That's a poor effort Dave. Only 11 named out of 126. ;-) I did say etc etc etc ;-) ....... Which indicates to me that you couldn't think of any more. ;-) Do I have to do everything for you Malc? *-) ....... You're not doing anything for me Dave - you're only trying to back up your own opinions - not mine. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 malc d - 2018-05-12 6:00 PM You're not doing anything for me Dave - you're only trying to back up your own opinions - not mine. :-| Which are?...... Just askin :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-12 9:54 AM Brian Kirby - 2018-05-11 4:57 PM Oh yes, and to answer your question at the top, in the case of most of them, not very well! I'm not sure the US, China, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Norway, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico etc etc etc will agree with you (lol) .............................. OK, well we've done the USA already. Presently has the worlds largest trade deficit, and an "America first" president. So, happy to sell to you, probably rather less happy to buy from you. They have the same problem we have, only on a much larger scale. We already sell to the US, almost twice as much as we import from them. I wouldn't expect us to increase our exports significantly. US pulled out of (unpopular) TTIP negotiations post Trump, so not greatly encouraging. China? Currently has a massive export surplus, so might be expected to import more. But, as it has a huge manufacturing sector, which is why almost anything you but says "made in China", and as the average Chinese ranks 75 in the world for per capita GDP, they aren't that wealthy. It is a one party state, and most of the major import/export decisions have state involvement. Exports only likely in specialist sectors which the Chinese have not yet developed. Not that much scope for increased exports. India? Already has a huge trade deficit with the rest of the world. Huge population, but mainly poor. Ranks 146 in per capita GDP. They want to export, not import. Again, I don't see that much scope for increased exports. EU India FTA under negotiation since 2007, though India is viewed as "restrictive" (protectionist). But, why would we expect to make greater progress faster? Japan? Close to break even in trade. 3rd largest economy. Well developed manufacturing sector. Marginally behind UK in terms of per capita GDP. Good scope for exports, but do we make what Japan wants/needs? Discretionary purchases, fashion, etc. but many of our "famous labels" aren't made in UK, so probably not that much scope. The EU already has an economic trade agreement with japan, and is negotiating to widen this. What is the advantage to UK of starting its own version post 2022? Brazil? Modest trade surplus. 9 th largest economy. Not yet fully developed with large (5th largest) population, but ranks only 72 for per capita GDP. Presently in recession and politically rocky. Some present potential, but not great. Good long term prospect (as everyone else knows!) so competition likely to be fierce when they solve their problems. Unlikely to be high margin. EU FTA under negotiation - so why start again from scratch? Canada? Small trade deficit. 10th largest economy. Well developed and sophisticated economy. Ranks 18 for per capita GDP (two above UK). The EU already has an FTA with Canada, so why make life difficult? :-) Norway? Large trade surplus. 30th largest economy (oil/gas based). 3rd highest per capita GDP. Norwegians are generally wealthy, but there are only just over 5 million of them (about 7% of UK's population), so how much, realistically, might we sell to them? They are also in EFTA, so trade is already tariff free. What's to gain? Iceland? I don't wish to be rude about Icelanders, but you are joking? They are doing fine, but are already in the EEA, and there are only 340,000 of them! Oh yes, we'll get rich off Iceland! :-) Australia? 11th largest economy. Small trade surplus. 11th highest per capita GDP. EU trade deal with Australia proposed, but negotiations not yet begun. Fine. Plenty of scope. Australians are relatively wealthy. Also part of Commonwealth, so a deal should be relatively easy. New Zealand? 53rd largest economy. Trade near break even. 23 highest per capita GDP. Relatively wealthy, but only just under 5 million of them. Otherwise, much as Australia. Mexico? 15th largest economy. Trade just below break even. 73rd highest per capita GDP. Relatively poor. Most of the wealth is concentrated in very few hands. Twice the population of UK. There is an EU trade agreement (not an FTA) with Mexico, presently being updated. Relatively corrupt, big drugs problem. Some scope for trade, but difficult. I don't see nirvana anywhere here! In many cases the EU is already there. Why leave the EU to go backwards? Doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 And another spanner in the works neither of the Brexit boys had bargained for......or even thought of for that matter! ;-) “Our world is in a state of chaos and in the midst of such confusion the EU and the U.K. need one another,” EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said Monday. As if to underline the point, she spoke alongside Michel Barnier, the EU27’s chief Brexit negotiator, at the EU Institute for Security Studies. But despite the warm rhetoric, talks over a future security partnership have already become difficult, notably over the depth of U.K. access to and involvement with the EU’s satellite navigation system Galileo, which has quickly become a litmus test for how deep a security partnership can really be. Britain’s decision to leave the European Union, both Barnier and Mogherini said Monday, must have “consequences,” and while discussions about security are currently only at an “exploratory” phase, Barnier said, the extent to which those consequences will impact security cooperation will become more apparent in less than a year’s time once the U.K. can negotiate its future relationship with the bloc as a third country. https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-eu-test-limits-security-partnership-after-brexit/ Brexiteers mantra of 'lets just leave' 'WTO', 'there's nothing to negotiate', 'we want a clean brexit, nothing to do with the EU'. Except you want this bit, that bit, and the other bit, and if we don't get it they are bullies, "enemies of the people", "Remoaners", "back stabbers" or "trying to thwart Brexit". *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek pringle Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 HI, With all the angst and bickering over Brexit what on earth makes this govt. feel they will be able to negotiate a GOOD trade deal with any country. Jeez, it's going to take forever. They certainly don't inspire confidence in their negotiating skills. cheers derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-05-15 9:22 PM Britain’s decision to leave the European Union, both Barnier and Mogherini said Monday, must have “consequences,” Bully Boy Barnier & Co eh? *-) ............ It's just as well us Brexiteers have some backbone unlike you spineless Remoaners >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 How does it make you spineless being a remainer? Im all for taking risks or boldly going where no man has been before and all that stuff but not when its completely clear to all that are prepared to open their eyes that its simply not going to work and there is no advantage whatsoever or benefits, pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow to Brexit. Brian yet again has excellently assessed the trade opportunities for one thing. Pointless it seems, there is no queue of countries lining up to buy our goods. we know Immigration wont really change and its likely we will lose jobs and become poorer as a result. Ill tell you who is spineless though. The politicians that know all this but still insist on following the "will of the people" even though the people are, on this occasion wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 But of course we wouldn't have to pay an ever increasing membership fee to a crumbling club to access those other markets or be told what we can and can't do ... It's funny you say we are going blindly into Brexit but you must be blind to whats happening in Hungary , Poland , Italy and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-05-16 8:58 AM..................It's just as well us Brexiteers have some backbone unlike you spineless Remoaners >:-) ........ Perhaps Brexiters would be more convincing if they made better use of the part of their anatomy that sits at the top of their spines (the bit that does the thinking?) rather than merely their spines (the bit that merely supports the thinking bit)? Ultimately, this is an intelligence test, not a test of faith. So, which countries A) want a trade agreement with the UK, B) don't already have one via the EU, and C) want to buy the stuff that the UK makes? Remember, it's a £166 billion trade deficit you're trying to eliminate, so countries the size of Iceland just won't do. Your Brexiter's Handbook of Ready Answers must have at least a couple of serious contenders, surely? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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