adhple Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I see the Government has said we should get a International Driving Permit should we wish to drive in EU and another different one for Spain. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/international-driving-permits-for-uk-drivers-from-28-march-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Sorry but old news... https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Driving-licences-after-Brexit/51350/ And I'm sure there are a couple of other threads as well. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 References to the other forum discussions about IDPs can be found in the link Keith has provided above. A caveat about this issue. When I spoke to staff in my local Post Office branch it was apparent that the type of IDP (1949 or 1968) that would be provided would depend on what the applicant said regarding when he/she would be going abroad and where he/she would be going. If an applicant just says they will be going to Spain, an IDP 1949 will be issued. If an applicant just says they will be going to France, an IDP 1968 will be issued. But if the applicant happens to be a UK motorcaravanner who will be travelling through France to Spain, an IDP 1968 AND an IDP 1949 would be required. The real potential snag is if (in the above example) the motorcaravanner just obtains an IDP 1949 (for Spain) before there’s any requirement for an IDP (ie. before a ‘no deal’ Brexit occurs) and then ’needs’ an IDP 1968 afterwards to drive back to the UK through France, as it’s not possible to obtain IDPs without visting a UK Post Office branch that issues them. (Obviously, if a ‘no deal’ Brexit does not occur, there should be no need to obtain an IDP if a UK motorist will be travelling within the EU.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teccer1234 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 well I'm afraid that when we drive back through France in a no deal situation I'll be driving illeagly as I've only got the 1949 idp, I only hope there's a delay in the treaty 50 so that we can get back ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spospe Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 adhple - 2019-02-19 10:15 AM I see the Government has said we should get a International Driving Permit should we wish to drive in EU and another different one for Spain. Don't forget Lichtenstein, if visiting the principality you will require a 1926 IDP in addition to any other you may hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The 1968 IDP applies to these EU countries Austria Belgium Bulgaria Croatia Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Italy Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia Slovenia Sweden The 1949 IDP applies to thse EU countries Cyprus Iceland Ireland Malta Spain The 1926 IDP applies to Liechtenstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spospe Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Notable missing countries are: Switzerland and Andorra, both of which do not appear on the Government webpage: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/international-driving-permits-for-uk-drivers-from-28-march-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 That’s because Switzerland and Andorra are not EU countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 And Andorra is doing very well financially not being in the EU. Brian B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceM Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 thebishbus - 2019-02-20 7:59 AM And Andorra is doing very well financially not being in the EU. Brian B. Andora – size 468 square kilometres, population approx 77,000 people (about half the population of Norwich), annual tourist numbers approx 10.2 million ( !), official currency the Euro, ‘elected’ reigning monarch is the President of France (currently Macron), reliant for defence on Spain and France, economy reliant on tourism and its tax haven status, is not a member of the European Union but enjoys a special relationship with it, such as being treated as an EU member for trade in manufactured goods (no tariffs) and as a non-EU member for agricultural products. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spospe Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Derek Uzzell - 2019-02-20 7:33 AM That’s because Switzerland and Andorra are not EU countries... Correct, they are not EU countries, but will you need an IDP to drive in them post a no deal BREXIT? To state the obvious, it is necessary to drive through IDP requiring countries to reach either, but what will be required on arrival? Andorra can be reached via France (IDP 68) or Spain (IDP 49). Perhaps I am over-anticipating problems, but at the moment there is no guidance / reassurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceM Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 My understanding for Switzerland is "People from abroad may drive in Switzerland for private purposes for up to a year as long as they are old enough to drive in Switzerland (e.g. 18 years old to drive a passenger car) and hold a valid national driving licence. If the permitted vehicle categories are not listed in the Roman alphabet on the foreign licence, an international licence is required." So a UK driving licence would be fine and no IDP required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 spospe - 2019-02-20 11:57 AM Derek Uzzell - 2019-02-20 7:33 AM That’s because Switzerland and Andorra are not EU countries... Correct, they are not EU countries, but will you need an IDP to drive in them post a no deal BREXIT? To state the obvious, it is necessary to drive through IDP requiring countries to reach either, but what will be required on arrival? Andorra can be reached via France (IDP 68) or Spain (IDP 49). Perhaps I am over-anticipating problems, but at the moment there is no guidance / reassurance. This FleetNews webpage lists the countries that aceept a 1926, 1949 or 1968 IDP. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-news/2019/01/21/brexit-international-driving-permit-warning-for-fleets Apparently a 1968 IDP would be valid for both Andorra and Switzerland. So, if you wanted to be ’safe’ regarding those two countries, a 1968 IDP would be the one to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spospe Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Derek Thanks for the link, it is far more comprehensive than any GOV.UK website that I have seen and answers my concerns.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenjoe Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Just purchased IDP 1949 for Spain. The PO counter assistant did not authorise categorie C on the permit as it is not authorised on my driving licence (the old pink one), but category C1, which allows driving a vehicle up to 7500te. is. There is no category C1 on the 1949 permit. I am driving a 4.5te van. Does anyone know if I need Cat C authorised on the permit, which seems to allow driving anything over 3.5te without the upper limit of 7500te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 This Wikipedia entry relates to the IDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Driving_Permit It will be seen that, although there is a direct correlation between the current driving-licence ‘categories’ and the IDP 1968 (that includes the C1 and C1E categories), that is not the case for the IDP 1949 nor for the IDP 1926. For an IDP 1949, licence Class B is defined as Motor vehicles used for the transport of passengers and comprising, in addition to the driver's seat, at most eight seats, or those used for the transport of goods and having a permissible maximum weight not exceeding 3,500 kg (7,700 lbs). Vehicles in this category may be coupled with a light trailer. while licence Class C is defined as Motor vehicles used for the transport of goods and of which the permissible maximum weight exceeds 3,500 kg (7,700 lbs). Vehicles in this category may be coupled with a light trailer. If those definitions are semantically/grammatically correct, any motor vehicle with up to eight seats used for the transport of PASSENGERS (not for the transport of GOODS) should be in Class B irrespective of the vehicle’s weight, and only GOODS VEHICLES with a permissible maximum weight exceeding 3500kg should be in Class C. (There’s also the matter of whether, if a motorhome were to be towing a car or ‘heavy’ trailer, Class E should be marked on an IDP 1949.) Suggest you go back to the Post Office from which you got your IDP 1949 and ask them to confirm what their instruction document says they should do regarding translating current licence entitlements (like C1 and C1E) on to ‘old’ IDPs like the 1949 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 In Portugal You can drive Whit B - licence up to 4000 kg motor home as confirmed by Portuguese judges on a recent dog running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 My understanding was that the holder of a Portuguese drving-licence was permitted to drive a motorhome with a Maximum Authorised Mass of 4250kg on a “B” driving-licence. This came up here in 2016 https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Hitch-in-getting-van-weight-uprated/41401/ and I mentioned it in my posting of 11 April 2016 7:46 AM in that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenjoe Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Thanks Derek, I did go back to the PO and after a short debate and much head scratching the clerk stamped all 5 categories on the 1949 IDP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 That makes sense as your ‘pink’ UK driving-licence specifically identifies the sub-categories of entitlements that you have. The Wikipedia IDP entry shows that the 1968 convention was updated in 2011 and I came across a document on-line discussing a revision of the 1949 convention. However, I don’t think this was followed through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Please be aware that you have to show two permits: your national and IDP of the two historical city agreements. The same as you drive in north America which could be also one of the two. In case of the brexit to export your camper to halifax is very simple. And you can drive b licence the biggest trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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