Guest pelmetman Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 9:30 AM John52 - 2019-09-26 8:45 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 8:42 AM Which is why NO DEAL is the BEST DEAL B-) ........... Capital letters and shouting does not make something right. Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in. Cue, Will of the people, 17.4 million, something about losers, WIN!, blue passports, who won the war anyway etc etc etc. 8-) You just said May's deal was crap........ergo No Deal must be better :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 It looks like our Labour supporting friends are between a rock and a hard place. 8-) It's either Brexit ... or this: https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/labour-votes-smash-border-controls/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-26 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 9:30 AM John52 - 2019-09-26 8:45 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 8:42 AM Which is why NO DEAL is the BEST DEAL B-) ........... Capital letters and shouting does not make something right. Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in. Cue, Will of the people, 17.4 million, something about losers, WIN!, blue passports, who won the war anyway etc etc etc. 8-) You just said May's deal was crap........ergo No Deal must be better :D .......... OK I'll try again Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 747 - 2019-09-26 9:45 AM It looks like our Labour supporting friends are between a rock and a hard place. 8-) It's either Brexit ... or this: https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/labour-votes-smash-border-controls/ Guido? FFS! *-) Do you have a less rabid biased source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 10:29 AM 747 - 2019-09-26 9:45 AM It looks like our Labour supporting friends are between a rock and a hard place. 8-) It's either Brexit ... or this: https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/labour-votes-smash-border-controls/ Guido? FFS! *-) Do you have a less rabid biased source? Is it untrue? >:-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 John52 - 2019-09-26 10:10 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 9:30 AM John52 - 2019-09-26 8:45 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 8:42 AM Which is why NO DEAL is the BEST DEAL B-) ........... Capital letters and shouting does not make something right. Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in. Cue, Will of the people, 17.4 million, something about losers, WIN!, blue passports, who won the war anyway etc etc etc. 8-) You just said May's deal was crap........ergo No Deal must be better :D .......... OK I'll try again Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in Because we'll be at least 12 billion a year better off B-) ........... I dunno why you are bothered about the economy?........You want to vote in Corbyn FFS! 8-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-26 11:12 AM Because we'll be at least 12 billion a year better off B-) ........... Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 The Revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-26 11:12 AM John52 - 2019-09-26 10:10 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 9:34 AM Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 9:30 AM John52 - 2019-09-26 8:45 AM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 8:42 AM Which is why NO DEAL is the BEST DEAL B-) ........... Capital letters and shouting does not make something right. Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in. Cue, Will of the people, 17.4 million, something about losers, WIN!, blue passports, who won the war anyway etc etc etc. 8-) You just said May's deal was crap........ergo No Deal must be better :D .......... OK I'll try again Can you please explain calmly and sensibly why we would be better off leaving with no deal than staying in Because we'll be at least 12 billion a year better off B-) ........... Who is We? I canj see that £billionaire 'newspaper' owners domiciled in HM Tax Havens under threat from EU intervention, Those they hire like BoJo, and Hedge Fund Managers trying to crash the economy might in total be that much better off. Are you one of those *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-26 12:03 PM The Revenue. An actual source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-26 1:11 PM Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . But we are already loosing more than that a year off the economy since the brexit vote, much more. Its no good saving £12bn from paying the EU if as a result of leaving the economy tanks. Just a one percent dip knocks off £20bn and the governments own figures and forecasts are way worse than that. In the North east which is our only region that is a true net manufacturer in a no deal brexit the estimate is 16% wiped off the economy. That is unrecoverable. Its like bunging twenty quid in a fruit machine and winning a pound. You cant say oh Ive won a quid because you have lost nineteen quid. Its only a saving if the economy booms post Brexit and nobody, not even the Brexiteers own economists believe that anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 1:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-26 1:11 PM Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . But we are already loosing more than that a year off the economy since the brexit vote, much more. Its no good saving £12bn from paying the EU if as a result of leaving the economy tanks. Just a one percent dip knocks off £20bn and the governments own figures and forecasts are way worse than that. In the North east which is our only region that is a true net manufacturer in a no deal brexit the estimate is 16% wiped off the economy. That is unrecoverable. Its like bunging twenty quid in a fruit machine and winning a pound. You cant say oh Ive won a quid because you have lost nineteen quid. Its only a saving if the economy booms post Brexit and nobody, not even the Brexiteers own economists believe that anymore. Of course you can back that up with some facts? ;-) ............ Whilst your at it perhaps you can explain why Germany is now in technical recession and we ain't? :D ......... Especially as your "Experts" predicted we'd be 3 years into a deep recession *-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-26 2:25 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 1:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-26 1:11 PM Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . But we are already loosing more than that a year off the economy since the brexit vote, much more. Its no good saving £12bn from paying the EU if as a result of leaving the economy tanks. Just a one percent dip knocks off £20bn and the governments own figures and forecasts are way worse than that. In the North east which is our only region that is a true net manufacturer in a no deal brexit the estimate is 16% wiped off the economy. That is unrecoverable. Its like bunging twenty quid in a fruit machine and winning a pound. You cant say oh Ive won a quid because you have lost nineteen quid. Its only a saving if the economy booms post Brexit and nobody, not even the Brexiteers own economists believe that anymore. Of course you can back that up with some facts? ;-) ............Whilst your at it perhaps you can explain why Germany is now in technical recession and we ain't? :D .........Especially as your "Experts" predicted we'd be 3 years into a deep recession *-) ........ It's about time you began backing up the many wild assertions you keep making, none of which are ever linked to a credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 1:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-26 1:11 PM Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . But we are already loosing more than that a year off the economy since the brexit vote, much more. Its no good saving £12bn from paying the EU if as a result of leaving the economy tanks. Just a one percent dip knocks off £20bn and the governments own figures and forecasts are way worse than that. In the North east which is our only region that is a true net manufacturer in a no deal brexit the estimate is 16% wiped off the economy. That is unrecoverable. Its like bunging twenty quid in a fruit machine and winning a pound. You cant say oh Ive won a quid because you have lost nineteen quid. Its only a saving if the economy booms post Brexit and nobody, not even the Brexiteers own economists believe that anymore. All supposition. We are actually doing better than most if not all of the Eu. Economies go up and down just like the stock market . Try and be more positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-26 2:25 PM Whilst your at it perhaps you can explain why Germany is now in technical recession and we ain't? :D ......... Is that why lenders pay Germany to lend them money but we have to pay them to borrow it *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-26 2:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 1:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-26 1:11 PM Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . But we are already loosing more than that a year off the economy since the brexit vote, much more. Its no good saving £12bn from paying the EU if as a result of leaving the economy tanks. Just a one percent dip knocks off £20bn and the governments own figures and forecasts are way worse than that. In the North east which is our only region that is a true net manufacturer in a no deal brexit the estimate is 16% wiped off the economy. That is unrecoverable. Its like bunging twenty quid in a fruit machine and winning a pound. You cant say oh Ive won a quid because you have lost nineteen quid. Its only a saving if the economy booms post Brexit and nobody, not even the Brexiteers own economists believe that anymore. All supposition. We are actually doing better than most if not all of the Eu. Economies go up and down just like the stock market . Try and be more positive. Being positive and just "believing" is a pretty foolish position and outlook considering the amount of information we now have amassed over the past three and a half years. I have studied all the facts, figures and projections and listened to the opinions of experts, politicians, economists and business people and nothing has convinced me that any kind of Brexit will be good for the UK and our economy. I have however been convinced in fact that quite the opposite is true. If you have some new evidence to the contrary then please do share it with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 3:45 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-26 2:54 PM Barryd999 - 2019-09-26 1:34 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-26 1:11 PM Well if we ain’t paying the Eu each year ......er ...its going to be in the bank . But we are already loosing more than that a year off the economy since the brexit vote, much more. Its no good saving £12bn from paying the EU if as a result of leaving the economy tanks. Just a one percent dip knocks off £20bn and the governments own figures and forecasts are way worse than that. In the North east which is our only region that is a true net manufacturer in a no deal brexit the estimate is 16% wiped off the economy. That is unrecoverable. Its like bunging twenty quid in a fruit machine and winning a pound. You cant say oh Ive won a quid because you have lost nineteen quid. Its only a saving if the economy booms post Brexit and nobody, not even the Brexiteers own economists believe that anymore. All supposition. We are actually doing better than most if not all of the Eu. Economies go up and down just like the stock market . Try and be more positive. Being positive and just "believing" is a pretty foolish position and outlook considering the amount of information we now have amassed over the past three and a half years. I have studied all the facts, figures and projections and listened to the opinions of experts, politicians, economists and business people and nothing has convinced me that any kind of Brexit will be good for the UK and our economy. I have however been convinced in fact that quite the opposite is true. If you have some new evidence to the contrary then please do share it with us. I , like you, have looked at most aspects of leaving the Eu. We don’t know yet actually what will happen. Most observations are just guesswork. We don’t know. There is no reason why we can’t do well from world trade that we otherwise would not have been able to tap. There will be good and bad parts to it all but if our only judgement to do something is how it affects us in the pocket ,that is a very narrow view. I took a long term view of how I thought the Eu was progressing and was not impressed. Yes there will be pain be I think it will be better in the long term. I don’t think the Eu will survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-26 4:26 PM I don’t think the Eu will survive. Is that because you think they will give Britain a better deal out than in, encouraging everyone else to leave *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 John52 - 2019-09-26 3:28 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 2:25 PM Whilst your at it perhaps you can explain why Germany is now in technical recession and we ain't? :D ......... Is that why lenders pay Germany to lend them money but we have to pay them to borrow it *-) https://www.dw.com/en/get-paid-for-a-home-loan-european-lenders-turning-banking-on-its-head/a-50126021 Looks like its because their banks are in the doo doo >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-09-26 10:10 PM John52 - 2019-09-26 3:28 PM pelmetman - 2019-09-26 2:25 PM Whilst your at it perhaps you can explain why Germany is now in technical recession and we ain't? :D ......... Is that why lenders pay Germany to lend them money but we have to pay them to borrow it *-) https://www.dw.com/en/get-paid-for-a-home-loan-european-lenders-turning-banking-on-its-head/a-50126021 Looks like its because their banks are in the doo doo >:-) .......... Looks more like hysteria from the forums resident Germanophobe. *-) It's global not helped by silly trade wars between US-China and we continue to compound our own damage with the lunacy of Brexit and a PM desperately trying to short the £ and economy to line the pockets of disaster capitalists. https://www.vox.com/2019/8/15/20806775/usa-recession-trade-war-china-uk-brazil-germany https://reaction.life/no-deal-brexit-how-some-traders-will-be-gearing-up-to-short-the-pound/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 It will all be sorted when we become a free trade nation, much like Singapore,which is doing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-27 5:41 PM It will all be sorted when we become a free trade nation, much like Singapore,which is doing so well. Singapore has FTA's with the EU....that's why. Same as we had but threw down the pan over Brexit. https://www.mti.gov.sg/Improving-Trade/Free-Trade-Agreements/EUSFTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-09-27 6:17 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-27 5:41 PM It will all be sorted when we become a free trade nation, much like Singapore,which is doing so well. Singapore has FTA's with the EU....that's why. Same as we had but threw down the pan over Brexit. https://www.mti.gov.sg/Improving-Trade/Free-Trade-Agreements/EUSFTA Free trade with the rest of the world. The Eu has quite restrictive trade practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 jumpstart - 2019-09-27 6:22 PM Bulletguy - 2019-09-27 6:17 PM jumpstart - 2019-09-27 5:41 PM It will all be sorted when we become a free trade nation, much like Singapore,which is doing so well. Singapore has FTA's with the EU....that's why. Same as we had but threw down the pan over Brexit. https://www.mti.gov.sg/Improving-Trade/Free-Trade-Agreements/EUSFTA Free trade with the rest of the world. The Eu has quite restrictive trade practices. How is it when we trade with many countries outside Europe? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_United_Kingdom Not sure what agreements we have with each, but the fta's Brexit has put at risk with EU are the reason many companies that were once here, have now left. Even the most staunch pro-Brexiter, Dyson, has no intention of returning here as by staying in Singapore his fta's are guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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